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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]bad_penny,
@ 2006-08-09 21:21:00


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Current mood:Gobsmacked

Heidi's Homages or, "I Can't Believe It's Not Plagiarism!"



Welcome back, my friends
to the show that never ends.
We're so glad you could attend!
Come inside! Come inside!


-- Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part 2


This is -- hopefully -- the last post on BNF plagiarists in the Harry Potter fandom. I make no promises of its ability to keep the reader fascinated: I'm not [info]charlottelennox and I don't have her skill. I can't promise any Funneh. I'm still rather gobsmacked about all this. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, nor do I play one on the internet TV, but I am a Pushy Bitch of the Midwest, and I 've got this bad habit of stating my opinions. Which I do, herein.

If hearing opinions that are not nicely worded offend you, turn back now.

Many hands helped pulled the evidence for this post together. Thank you, all.

Putting My Cards on the Table:

I don't like Heidi.

There's no deep-seated, personal reason for this. We've never interacted, in fandom or out, except for a few random, unpleasant exchanges on [info]fandom_wank and LiveJournal. Over the last four years, that's not enough to build up a deep-seated personal dislike, at least for me.

And those exchanges were unpleasant because they were about the reason why I don't like Heidi: her behavior.

I didn't like her playing on the attitude "fandom takes care of its own" when Cassie's laptop was stolen, and then "it was just among Cassie's friends" backpeddling that followed. I didn't like her "but I can't stop them!" attitude during Charitywank when her journal readers -- including msscribe -- went over to Christina's LJ and flamed her. I didn't like her put-upon "why do I have to do it?" whining when asked to take ten seconds and host a link to Christina's charity.

I didn't like her threatening people with libel whenever Cassie Claire was accused of plagiarism. I didn't like her Heidipatrol popping up whenever someone dared to say the Draco Trilogy or anything else Cassie wrote wasn't the best thing since JKR had an idea about a boy wizard.

I didn't like her calling [info]charlottelennox's posts on msscribe libelous and lies. I didn't like her lame excuses. I didn't like her sacrificing [info]ari_o to save her own skin.

"But, [info]pyratejenni," I can hear someone ask, "that's just her online behavior. Is that really enough to dislike someone?"

Of course it is, considering the only way we interact at all is online.

And I hear, "So why are you writing this? Why not someone impartial?"

At this point, I don't think I could find someone impartial to write this. I showed excerpts of it someone not even in HP fandom, and her response was frothing outrage. [info]white_serpent didn't want to. So I offered.

Besides, it's my community. Why shouldn't I write it?

"But why? This is so old!"

Because I think it helps explain why Heidi was vigilantly defending Cassie from the plagiarism accusations.

The Evidence

A Surfeit of Curses, Chapter 6
He perched in the window seat at the front of the Lemur, so far away from the bustle that it was not agreeable to be dragged back suddenly by a shout from Lucius as he entered the room. Never did Draco find anything so difficult as to keeping himself from losing his temper when he was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book. People who are fond of books know the feeling of irritation which sweeps over them at such a moment. "It makes me feel as if someone had hit me," he had said once. "And as if I want to hit back. I have to remember things quickly to keep from saying something ill-tempered." The temptation to be unreasonable and snappish is one not easy to manage, but around Lucius, it had to be done.

He returned to reality as quickly as he could, and took a few subtle yet deep breaths to calm himself down.


Frances Hodgson Burnett, A Little Princess, Chapter 6
Sara curled herself up in the window-seat, opened a book, and began to read.
...
She was so far away from the schoolroom that it was not agreeable to be dragged back suddenly by a howl from Lottie. Never did she find anything so difficult as to keep herself from losing her temper when she was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book. People who are fond of books know the feeling of irritation which sweeps over them at such a moment. The temptation to be unreasonable and snappish is one not easy to manage.

"It makes me feel as if someone had hit me," Sara had told Ermengarde once in confidence. "And as if I want to hit back. I have to remember things quickly to keep from saying something ill- tempered."

She had to remember things quickly when she laid her book on the window-seat and jumped down from her comfortable corner.



But wait! There's more!



A Surfeit of Curses,Chapter 9
"At school, Alexi had such a sharp, delicate face, and was so pale - the color of ivory. His eyes were too big for him, and he had a lot of hair which tumbled over his forehead and made his thin face seem smaller. He always looked as if he had been ill, and was prone to fits of crying, more as if he were tired and cross than in pain. When I saw him in the corridors, especially at night, he looked like a ghost, and like he had as much substance as a ghost as well. But afterwards, he looked and moved and spoke exactly like Lucius did - he would say things after Lucius, almost word for word the same. It was uncanny. He wasn't even a shadow of himself. He was a shadow of Lucius."</i>



Francis Hodgson Burnett,The Secret Garden Chapter 13:

The boy had a sharp, delicate face the color of ivory and he seemed to have eyes too big for it. He had also a lot of hair which tumbled over his forehead in heavy locks and made his thin face seem smaller. He looked like a boy who had been ill, but he was crying more as if he were tired and cross than as if he were in pain.

Mary stood near the door with her candle in her hand, holding her breath. Then she crept across the room, and, as she drew nearer, the light attracted the boy's attention and he turned his head on his pillow and stared at her, his gray eyes opening so wide that they seemed immense.

"Who are you?" he said at last in a half-frightened whisper. "Are you a ghost?"


And from another author:




A Surfeit of Curses,Chapter 3

March stood for a few minutes without switching on the lights, looking out at the broom traffic over the town. Then he went into the kitchen and Summoned a large glass of Ogden's Old Firewhisky. Monday's Daily Prophet was lying by the sink. He carried it back with him into the sitting room.

March had a routine for reading the paper. He stared at the back, which held the truth. If the
Cannons were said to have beaten the Falcons 140 - 60 at Quidditch, the chances were it was true: even the Party had yet to devise a means of rewriting sports results. The sports news was a different matter. Countdown to Hogsmeade Olympics - Australia May Compete for First Time in 28 Years - British Magic Still Leads World. Then the advertisements: Families Love Vacations In Stonehenge, Riviera of Magical Britain. Births, marriages and deaths...

An editorial on the student pro-Muggle demonstrations in Godric's Corner, where there was still a rebel enclave: Traitors Must Be Smashed By Force! The Prophet always took a firm line.

Obituary: some old
gent from the Ministry of Magic. "A lifetime's service to He Who Must Be Obeyed..."

Ministry news: Spring Thaw Brings Fresh Fighting on Siberian Front! British Troops Smash Ivan Terror Groups! In Normandy, five terrorist leaders had been executed for attempting to use a Portkey to bring a mudblood and her family to their hideout in the Pyrenees...


Robert Harris, Fatherland, page 39 and 40:


March stood for a few minutes without switching on the lights, looking down at the traffic
heading south to Wittenberg-Platz. Then he went into the kitchen and poured himself a large whisky. Monday's Berliner Tageblatt was lying by the sink. He carried it back with him into the sitting room.

March had a routine for reading the paper. He started at the back, which held the truth. If
Leipzig </b>was said to have beaten Cologne 4-0 at football, the chances were it was true: even the Party had yet to devise a means of rewriting the sports results. The sports news was a different matter. COUNTDOWN TO TOKYO OLYMPICS. U.S. MAY COMPETE FOR FIRST TIME IN 28 YEARS. GERMAN ATHLETES STILL LEAD WORLD. Then the advertisements: GERMAN FAMILIES! PLEASURE BECKONS IN GOTENLAND, RIVIERA OF THE REICH! French perfume, Italian silks, Scandinavian furs, Dutch cigars, Belgian coffee, Russian caviar, British televisions-- the cornucopia of Empire spilled across the pages. Births, marriages and deaths: TEBBE, Ernst and Ingrid; a son for the Fuhrer. WENZAL, Hans, aged 71; a true National Socialist, sadly missed.

...

Editorial on the student antiwar demonstrations in Heidelberg: TRAITORS MUST BE SMASHED BY FORCE! The Tageblatt always took a firm line.

Obituary: some old
Bonze from the Ministry of the Interior. "A lifetime's service to the Reich . . ."

Reich news: SPRING THAW BRINGS FRESH FIGHTING ON SIBERIAN FRONT! GERMAN TROOPS SMASH IVAN TERROR GROUPS! In Rovno, capital of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine, five terrorist leaders had been executed for organizing the massacre of a family of German settlers.


And poetry


A Surfeit of Curses, Chapter 4

"Somebody said, "Let's all hold hands,"
So Lee held hands with Jean.

And Jean also held Helen's hand

While she held hands with Dean.

Dean's other hand held Sharma Joy's

While she held hands with Lee.

So tell me just how did I wind up

Holdin' hands with me?"

Shel Silverstein,Hand Holding,Falling Up

Somebody said, "Lets all hold hands,"
So Lee held hands with Jean
And Jean also held Helen's hand
While she held hands with Dean.
Dean's other hand helped Sharma Joy's
While she held hands with Lee.
So tell me just how did I wind up
Holdin' hands with me?




When I saw all this, I was dumbfounded. Because, to answer [info]bnfshavemorefun's comment,these works aren't cited.

Oh, there's disclaimers, all right:

Chapter 3. Chapter 4. Chapter 6. Chapter 8. Chapter 9 .

(And other, more interesting disclaimers found on the HP_Paradise mailing list: Chapter 1. Concern. Titanic.)

And there's citations: Chapter 3. Chapter 4. Chapter 6. Chapter 8 Chapter 9. Chapter 9 citation, part 2

To further answer Aja's comment, now that I can without using all-caps and blistering the air blue, these are not citations.

I will repeat: These are not citations. These are not the citations I had to use in high school. These are not the citations friends of mine had to use in college. These are not the MLA-style citaions we used when I helped proofread a small-press magazine, Cup of Wonder. These disclaimers aren't worth the pressure it took to hit the keys.

This isn't a pastiche. This isn't a homage. It doesn't matter that Frances Hogson Burnett's works are out of copyright. Silverstein's hasn't expired, and neither has Harris'.

This is plagiarism.

And to my mind, that's why Heidi came down so hard on anyone who said the P-word about Cassie. Much like the banker who's really just borrowing the money, not embezzling, and the stock broker who's really just using a friendly tip, not insider trading at all, I think Heidi convinced herself she wasn't plagiarizing, really. All her friends were doing it, so it had to be okay. This is Standard Operating Procedure for fandom, too, right?

I've been in fandom since 1983, and theft -- lying -- of this kind has never been Standard Operating Procedure. Never.

And for all the lurkers and mice who want to blow this off with, "So what, Heidi doesn't have a book contract, it's just fandom!" --

Let me hear you say that the next time your work gets "homaged", sugar.

God, I wish I could drink. At this point, I need one.






Remember reading in [info]white_serpent's write-up, about how Heidi's friends were leaving FF.net, because they didn't want what happened to Cassie to happen to them?

One of them was AngieJ, aka Ebony:



Trouble in Paradise,Chapter 7

"Darling, your pregnancy is the least of your concerns right now," her father said quickly. Theodore Granger was a distinguished-looking man, with salt-and-pepper brown hair and a noble carriage. He always reminded me of Hermione, especially around the eyes. "Your priority is to land back on your feet soon as possible, isn’t it?"

She shook her head. "Dad, I can feel something isn’t right. You know I’m not keen on pretending things. Tell me, Ron, and tell me now. Did our baby make it?" The twins and Malinda were already gone. I closed the door, leaving the couple alone with Hermione’s parents. Hermione’s voice was already full of anguish, and we already knew the sad truth that she would soon find out.

The minute the door closed behind me, I heard a pitiful, heartbroken moan. It was Hermione... she’d just been told about her loss.


In all of recorded Weasley history, nothing like this had ever happened before. When a Weasley wife got pregnant, she always carried to term. Plain and simple. Even if the woman herself came from a family with a history of miscarriage, like Penelope’s, it didn’t seem to matter much. A case in point was when I’d developed a rather nasty blood infection while carrying Malinda... she was none the worse for the wear. Fred even told me that Arthur’s sister had fallen down two flights of stairs while five months pregnant. The woman broke both legs and a collarbone, but delivered a healthy baby boy four months later.

Needless to say, Hermione’s miscarriage came as a shock to all.

"Oh, the poor lamb--the poor lamb!" Molly was trying to stifle her sobs in the folds of Arthur’s robes. "I feel horrible for criticizing her... the poor, poor lamb! How can she bear it?"

Arthur put his arms around his wife and patted her head. "There, there, Molly. Hermione’s strong. She’ll make it through this. And so will Ron."



L.M. Montgomery,Anne's House of Dreams,Chapter 19, Dawn and Dusk

At first she was too weak and too happy to notice that Gilbert and the nurse looked grave and Marilla sorrowful. Then, as subtly, and coldly, and remorselessly as a sea-fog stealing landward, fear crept into her heart. Why was not Gilbert gladder? Why would he not talk about the baby? Why would they not let her have it with her after that first heavenly--happy hour? Was--was there anything wrong?

Gilbert," whispered Anne imploringly, "the baby--is all right--isn't she? Tell me--tell me."

Gilbert was a long while in turning round; then he bent over Anne and looked in her eyes. Marilla, listening fearfully outside the door, heard a pitiful, heartbroken moan, and fled to the kitchen where Susan was weeping.

"Oh, the poor lamb--the poor lamb! How can she bear it, Miss Cuthbert? I am afraid it will kill her.
She has been that built up and happy, longing for that baby, and planning for it. Cannot anything be done nohow, Miss Cuthbert?"

"I'm afraid not, Susan. Gilbert says there is no hope. He knew from the first the little thing couldn't live."



There's citations. Christ on a cracker, are there citations:
One ,two,three, four. I've seen album liner notes that didn't go on that long.

Oh, yeah -- and a disclaimer.

Again, not citations, boys and girls.

Wonder if the two-year-old beer in the fridge is still good ...




ETA: Corrected FHB's name, Robert Harris' name, removed Heidi's last name, did a touch-up on one of the sections refering to Aja. Thanks to [info]white_serpent and [info]kijikun for the heads-up on the authors!



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[info]breecita
2006-08-10 02:30 am UTC (link)
That explains so much. I mean... it really does.

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[info]limyaael
2006-08-10 02:32 am UTC (link)
You know, I am now ashamed on Heidi's behalf.

This is just fucking lazy. On both levels.

On the "I am ethical, and this was a mistake!" level, how much effort would it have taken to type in the citation for the poem? (And if she didn't cite Shel Silverstein at all, even if just to say he was somewhere in there, I find myself less inclined to believe it was a mistake).

On the "I know I am actually plagiarizing, and want to get away with it!" level, the wording is not changed nearly enough to escape notice.

And, granted, I haven't been in fandom nearly as long, but I've been in several different ones, both TV and book, and I've never seen anything to compare to this. I read a few X-Files fics that were anal about citing the episode very well-known lines came from, even though just by having Scully and Mulder say lines they'd said in the show and then in a hundred other fics, readers would know the author wasn't claiming credit for them. Do you think HP fandom just draws the crazy, or was there something in the water in 2000-2001?

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 02:33 am UTC (link)
God, I wish I could drink. At this point, I need one.

I'm not sure why you can't, but I wish I could buy (or mix) you one.

Brava.

Homemade eggcream or something NA, perhaps?

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[info]sarracenia
2006-08-10 02:34 am UTC (link)
Holy fuck. Heidi's always struck me as a self-important bint with all the empathy skills of your average cat and the morals of a con artist, but I'd honestly never even suspected that she was a plagiarist too. (Of course, the fact that I barely knew that she wrote fanfic also helps explain that.) It explains so much.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2006-08-10 02:39 am UTC (link)
I've said it before.

I'll say it again.

heidi, you are a fuckin' LAWYER JOKE INCARNATE.

Please move to Mars and spare humanity your presence evermore? ;p

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 02:40 am UTC (link)
Oh. My. Fucking. God. This is horrible. I can't... wow. Wow. I can't believe that no Frances Hodgson Burnett fangirls caught this earlier. It's like... This is the first time I honestly feel a little pang for my childhood. I love A Little Princess. I fucking love it. This is... This is such blatant plagiarism. I just can't wrap my head around it.

- lookninjas from lj

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[info]jail
2006-08-10 02:45 am UTC (link)
Jesus motherfucking Christ on a crutch.

That's it. I am organizing a whip-round to buy these people individual copies of the MLA handbook.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 02:50 am UTC (link)
Wow. I just. . .can't think of any good excuse for this. If you really want to include scraps and excerpts of other works, like this--like in the Fatherland excerpt--you footnote your whole copied and altered paragraph and put the whole original paragraph in your footnote. That I can sort of justify. . .the Secret Garden bit, though. . .it's too obscure a passage quoted too extensively even to be intended/justified as an intentional 'bell-ringer' in the back of your mind, meant to bring up other associations with other works. And I really am shocked that there's nothing even close to an acknowledgment of it. . .I mean, not even as much as there was of the bit of Pamela Dean in CC's work.

I don't understand--I mean, in my fandom, I guess the authors I read generally are far more interested in introspective character-study type work. . .maybe an original piece is introduced with a quote from some book or play, or someone will quote another author. . .but there's really none of this 'Let's rewrite the entire plot of this or that book or play into our fandom universe'. . .which, really--what's the point? If all you're doing is a search and replace of names and places, why would I read your story at all, rather than just reading A Little Princess, or Pride and Prejudice, or Fatherland? Quoting this extensive needs to justify itself by affording some commentary on the original work by placing a piece of it in this new context. . .by creating something new out of the old. It's the difference between playing chords, scales, patterns, and just plunking random notes on the keyboard--in one case, you're making a larger music out of smaller units, in the other, the notes don't relate to each other at all.

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[info]willywanka
2006-08-10 02:50 am UTC (link)
I remember reading that fic way back when, and thinking about it needed %100 more porn, it was so slow and dull.

Kids, if you're going to plagiarize, please plagiarize sex scenes.

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[info]sashenka
2006-08-10 02:52 am UTC (link)
Oh, A Little Princess? Get out of here. That's not cool...

This whole thing reminds me of one of my favorite Daria quotes from the episode 'Aunt Nauseum';

Sandy: Well, if I can't say "Sandy Griffin's Dracula", why does Brad Stoker get to say "Brad Stoker's Dracula"?
Quinn: Um, I think that's Bram Stoker.
Stacy: I don't.
Quinn: Perhaps not. But anyway, he gets to say it because he made the story up.
Stacy: Quinn, Dracula is an internationally-known celebrity vampire. "Made the story up"...

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[info]wankprophet
2006-08-10 02:52 am UTC (link)
I'd just like to give my own, personal take on this:

"Heidi and Cassie Clair, of number four, Live Journal, were very proud to say that they were perfectly ordinary, thankee very much. They were the final people you'd expect to be involved in anything strange or plagiaristic, because they just didn't hold with such nonesense.

Heidi was the director of a firm called Fiction Alley, which made drills. He was a big, beefy man with hardly any spinal cord, although she did have a very large moustache. Mrs. Claire was thin and blonde and had nearly twice the usual amount of neck, which came in very useful as she spent much of her time craning over garden fences, spying on Jim Nabors. The pair had a small son called emo!Draco and in their opinion there was no finer boy anywhere.

They had everything they wanted, but they also had a secret..."


Quite possibly one of my finest works of original prose ever. I'm considering publishing it. Or better still, submitting it to FA.

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[info]tiki
2006-08-10 02:55 am UTC (link)
Haha, I'm no HP fan, but who could read that first snippet about Draco and his love of books and not figure it must've come from some other source?? I mean it doesn't even make sense... "O I must try ever so hard to control my temper!" What the fuck. I could write a better Draco than that and I didn't even SEE the second movie, much less read any of the books.
So anyway, we now know Heidi staunchly defends CC because she's also a plagiarist-- what's her deal with Ms Scribe? Is she a pathological liar with a vivid fantasy life too?

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[info]bookshop
2006-08-10 02:56 am UTC (link)

oh, holy shit.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 02:57 am UTC (link)
This really makes me wonder how many of the fandom "greats" were really that great or were just good at taking credit for the works of other people.

Writers like Cassandra Clare and Heidi built their reputations on what great writing they had, and to those who think it doesn't matter: how can it not? It's old and they write better now? Those reputations were built on theft, anything they wrote afterwards must be considered suspect. People might like them personally, but that has nothing to do with what they've done in their writing.

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[info]bastet
2006-08-10 03:01 am UTC (link)
Reading all these wanks has caused me to develop a spontaneous eye twitch every time I see the phrase "whip-around." Gah.

Oh, and way to take A Little Princess and make it suck, Heidi. (Even more so than the horrifying Americanized movie version.)

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 03:14 am UTC (link)
She's a lawyer. Lawyers cite. They cite case law, they cite statutes, they cite constitutions, they cite articles, they cite everything. Everything. That's not an exaggeration.

When they summarize something IN THEIR OWN WORDS, THEY STILL CITE. Paraphrasing, summarizations, direct quotes, all are cited.

Lawyers are SO FUCKING ANAL about citations that they invented their own uniform code of citation (for both federal law and each state has its own form for state law). Lawyers are so fucking anal about uniform citations that they have rules about how you ABBREVIATE things, for sweet christ's sake.

THERE ARE CLASSES and CLEs THAT TEACH YOU NOTHING BUT CORRECT CITATION FORM.

I know a judge who will toss out your motion because you didn't use the correct citation form, heaven forbid you actually forget to cite your source.

There are even rules that dictate when you should list a table of authorities - with your citations in alphabetical order with page annotations for easy review.

Given her tendency to zealously threaten litigation, I find it impossible to believe that she wouldn't be aware of these practices and/or use them every day in her professional career.

She really has no excuse. No justification. She knows that "inspiration" does not equal cutting and pasting without citation. Its impossible for her to NOT know it.

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[info]lerefuge
2006-08-10 03:15 am UTC (link)
Wow, how the mighty have fallen. If both Heidi and CC understood how wrong they acted, they would feel humbled.



Also, the comments on CC's last DT chapter made me sick to the stomach. Truly slams the people who say 'It's old! Everyone knows this already!'

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 03:18 am UTC (link)
Thank you, Heidi, for raping A Little Princess even more than Alfonso Cuaron.

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[info]camilla
2006-08-10 03:22 am UTC (link)
I don't think I could find someone impartial to write this.

Word, you'd be hard pressed. I wouldn't have given a flying fuck, once upon a time, and now I'm more, 'I don't believe this ...', but I do, of course, it's all there. Suppose no one will still go around wondering why she kept defending CC tooth and nail in spite of all the damning evidence? *counts hands*

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 03:22 am UTC (link)
I know people are angry but folks - this particular posting could have waiting a few weeks.

We all know Heidi is dealing with a family death. I don't approve of what I read here.... but this really could have waited a bit. This is like kicking a puppy

Rap541 on lj (where you can see I am no fan of plagiarism, CC, or Heidi but damn... even I would have waited on this)

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[info]doomsday
2006-08-10 03:22 am UTC (link)
...Wow. And these people still get respect in the fandom. That's what's so mind-boggling.

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[info]photosinensis
2006-08-10 03:24 am UTC (link)
Now there's something I didn't know. Of course, I never touched SoC, as I don't like Draco Malfoy.

But am I shocked to see that there's something there beyond normal loyalty? Hells no. This ain't loyalty, people. This is what we call an alliance.

So, I'm taking bets on how much that these two knew all about MsScribe from the moment that she started the troll socks? I'm seeing a pattern here, and it all leads back to those three. Of course, I could just be projecting Machiavelli onto HP fandom, but given its history, I wouldn't be surprised if that were indeed the case.

And CharityWank? Oh God, I'm not even sure how much I want to know about what was really going on there. After all, the audience hand was doing stuff that makes even the best people hate humanity. The guilty hand had to be doing shit that makes the public story seem mild by comparison.

So, next time Heidi threatens libel, threaten harassment back at her.

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[info]yotz_fen
2006-08-10 03:27 am UTC (link)
Wow. Stealing from Anne of Green Gables takes guts. It's not like that series is in any way obscure.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 03:29 am UTC (link)
HATE. Nothing but pure, white-hot HATE.

I mean, fuck. I remember years ago, I would sit at my computer, staring at the damned cursor and waiting for inspiration to strike. How I would enjoy writing the chapter parts, but also enjoying the feedback as well.

Just the thought of all those people sending in money to "support" CC and her "stolen laptops" seriously makes me sick.

I have never had the urge to reach through the screen and punch someone before. It's such a joke. I would have a fit if I caught my students trying to pull this bullshit in the classroom. (Sorry for the rant, it just hit me about how pissed I am about all of this.)

-Lauren
(laurenc21 @LJ)

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