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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]bad_penny,
@ 2006-08-09 21:21:00


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Current mood:Gobsmacked

Heidi's Homages or, "I Can't Believe It's Not Plagiarism!"



Welcome back, my friends
to the show that never ends.
We're so glad you could attend!
Come inside! Come inside!


-- Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part 2


This is -- hopefully -- the last post on BNF plagiarists in the Harry Potter fandom. I make no promises of its ability to keep the reader fascinated: I'm not [info]charlottelennox and I don't have her skill. I can't promise any Funneh. I'm still rather gobsmacked about all this. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, nor do I play one on the internet TV, but I am a Pushy Bitch of the Midwest, and I 've got this bad habit of stating my opinions. Which I do, herein.

If hearing opinions that are not nicely worded offend you, turn back now.

Many hands helped pulled the evidence for this post together. Thank you, all.

Putting My Cards on the Table:

I don't like Heidi.

There's no deep-seated, personal reason for this. We've never interacted, in fandom or out, except for a few random, unpleasant exchanges on [info]fandom_wank and LiveJournal. Over the last four years, that's not enough to build up a deep-seated personal dislike, at least for me.

And those exchanges were unpleasant because they were about the reason why I don't like Heidi: her behavior.

I didn't like her playing on the attitude "fandom takes care of its own" when Cassie's laptop was stolen, and then "it was just among Cassie's friends" backpeddling that followed. I didn't like her "but I can't stop them!" attitude during Charitywank when her journal readers -- including msscribe -- went over to Christina's LJ and flamed her. I didn't like her put-upon "why do I have to do it?" whining when asked to take ten seconds and host a link to Christina's charity.

I didn't like her threatening people with libel whenever Cassie Claire was accused of plagiarism. I didn't like her Heidipatrol popping up whenever someone dared to say the Draco Trilogy or anything else Cassie wrote wasn't the best thing since JKR had an idea about a boy wizard.

I didn't like her calling [info]charlottelennox's posts on msscribe libelous and lies. I didn't like her lame excuses. I didn't like her sacrificing [info]ari_o to save her own skin.

"But, [info]pyratejenni," I can hear someone ask, "that's just her online behavior. Is that really enough to dislike someone?"

Of course it is, considering the only way we interact at all is online.

And I hear, "So why are you writing this? Why not someone impartial?"

At this point, I don't think I could find someone impartial to write this. I showed excerpts of it someone not even in HP fandom, and her response was frothing outrage. [info]white_serpent didn't want to. So I offered.

Besides, it's my community. Why shouldn't I write it?

"But why? This is so old!"

Because I think it helps explain why Heidi was vigilantly defending Cassie from the plagiarism accusations.

The Evidence

A Surfeit of Curses, Chapter 6
He perched in the window seat at the front of the Lemur, so far away from the bustle that it was not agreeable to be dragged back suddenly by a shout from Lucius as he entered the room. Never did Draco find anything so difficult as to keeping himself from losing his temper when he was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book. People who are fond of books know the feeling of irritation which sweeps over them at such a moment. "It makes me feel as if someone had hit me," he had said once. "And as if I want to hit back. I have to remember things quickly to keep from saying something ill-tempered." The temptation to be unreasonable and snappish is one not easy to manage, but around Lucius, it had to be done.

He returned to reality as quickly as he could, and took a few subtle yet deep breaths to calm himself down.


Frances Hodgson Burnett, A Little Princess, Chapter 6
Sara curled herself up in the window-seat, opened a book, and began to read.
...
She was so far away from the schoolroom that it was not agreeable to be dragged back suddenly by a howl from Lottie. Never did she find anything so difficult as to keep herself from losing her temper when she was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book. People who are fond of books know the feeling of irritation which sweeps over them at such a moment. The temptation to be unreasonable and snappish is one not easy to manage.

"It makes me feel as if someone had hit me," Sara had told Ermengarde once in confidence. "And as if I want to hit back. I have to remember things quickly to keep from saying something ill- tempered."

She had to remember things quickly when she laid her book on the window-seat and jumped down from her comfortable corner.



But wait! There's more!



A Surfeit of Curses,Chapter 9
"At school, Alexi had such a sharp, delicate face, and was so pale - the color of ivory. His eyes were too big for him, and he had a lot of hair which tumbled over his forehead and made his thin face seem smaller. He always looked as if he had been ill, and was prone to fits of crying, more as if he were tired and cross than in pain. When I saw him in the corridors, especially at night, he looked like a ghost, and like he had as much substance as a ghost as well. But afterwards, he looked and moved and spoke exactly like Lucius did - he would say things after Lucius, almost word for word the same. It was uncanny. He wasn't even a shadow of himself. He was a shadow of Lucius."</i>



Francis Hodgson Burnett,The Secret Garden Chapter 13:

The boy had a sharp, delicate face the color of ivory and he seemed to have eyes too big for it. He had also a lot of hair which tumbled over his forehead in heavy locks and made his thin face seem smaller. He looked like a boy who had been ill, but he was crying more as if he were tired and cross than as if he were in pain.

Mary stood near the door with her candle in her hand, holding her breath. Then she crept across the room, and, as she drew nearer, the light attracted the boy's attention and he turned his head on his pillow and stared at her, his gray eyes opening so wide that they seemed immense.

"Who are you?" he said at last in a half-frightened whisper. "Are you a ghost?"


And from another author:




A Surfeit of Curses,Chapter 3

March stood for a few minutes without switching on the lights, looking out at the broom traffic over the town. Then he went into the kitchen and Summoned a large glass of Ogden's Old Firewhisky. Monday's Daily Prophet was lying by the sink. He carried it back with him into the sitting room.

March had a routine for reading the paper. He stared at the back, which held the truth. If the
Cannons were said to have beaten the Falcons 140 - 60 at Quidditch, the chances were it was true: even the Party had yet to devise a means of rewriting sports results. The sports news was a different matter. Countdown to Hogsmeade Olympics - Australia May Compete for First Time in 28 Years - British Magic Still Leads World. Then the advertisements: Families Love Vacations In Stonehenge, Riviera of Magical Britain. Births, marriages and deaths...

An editorial on the student pro-Muggle demonstrations in Godric's Corner, where there was still a rebel enclave: Traitors Must Be Smashed By Force! The Prophet always took a firm line.

Obituary: some old
gent from the Ministry of Magic. "A lifetime's service to He Who Must Be Obeyed..."

Ministry news: Spring Thaw Brings Fresh Fighting on Siberian Front! British Troops Smash Ivan Terror Groups! In Normandy, five terrorist leaders had been executed for attempting to use a Portkey to bring a mudblood and her family to their hideout in the Pyrenees...


Robert Harris, Fatherland, page 39 and 40:


March stood for a few minutes without switching on the lights, looking down at the traffic
heading south to Wittenberg-Platz. Then he went into the kitchen and poured himself a large whisky. Monday's Berliner Tageblatt was lying by the sink. He carried it back with him into the sitting room.

March had a routine for reading the paper. He started at the back, which held the truth. If
Leipzig </b>was said to have beaten Cologne 4-0 at football, the chances were it was true: even the Party had yet to devise a means of rewriting the sports results. The sports news was a different matter. COUNTDOWN TO TOKYO OLYMPICS. U.S. MAY COMPETE FOR FIRST TIME IN 28 YEARS. GERMAN ATHLETES STILL LEAD WORLD. Then the advertisements: GERMAN FAMILIES! PLEASURE BECKONS IN GOTENLAND, RIVIERA OF THE REICH! French perfume, Italian silks, Scandinavian furs, Dutch cigars, Belgian coffee, Russian caviar, British televisions-- the cornucopia of Empire spilled across the pages. Births, marriages and deaths: TEBBE, Ernst and Ingrid; a son for the Fuhrer. WENZAL, Hans, aged 71; a true National Socialist, sadly missed.

...

Editorial on the student antiwar demonstrations in Heidelberg: TRAITORS MUST BE SMASHED BY FORCE! The Tageblatt always took a firm line.

Obituary: some old
Bonze from the Ministry of the Interior. "A lifetime's service to the Reich . . ."

Reich news: SPRING THAW BRINGS FRESH FIGHTING ON SIBERIAN FRONT! GERMAN TROOPS SMASH IVAN TERROR GROUPS! In Rovno, capital of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine, five terrorist leaders had been executed for organizing the massacre of a family of German settlers.


And poetry


A Surfeit of Curses, Chapter 4

"Somebody said, "Let's all hold hands,"
So Lee held hands with Jean.

And Jean also held Helen's hand

While she held hands with Dean.

Dean's other hand held Sharma Joy's

While she held hands with Lee.

So tell me just how did I wind up

Holdin' hands with me?"

Shel Silverstein,Hand Holding,Falling Up

Somebody said, "Lets all hold hands,"
So Lee held hands with Jean
And Jean also held Helen's hand
While she held hands with Dean.
Dean's other hand helped Sharma Joy's
While she held hands with Lee.
So tell me just how did I wind up
Holdin' hands with me?




When I saw all this, I was dumbfounded. Because, to answer [info]bnfshavemorefun's comment,these works aren't cited.

Oh, there's disclaimers, all right:

Chapter 3. Chapter 4. Chapter 6. Chapter 8. Chapter 9 .

(And other, more interesting disclaimers found on the HP_Paradise mailing list: Chapter 1. Concern. Titanic.)

And there's citations: Chapter 3. Chapter 4. Chapter 6. Chapter 8 Chapter 9. Chapter 9 citation, part 2

To further answer Aja's comment, now that I can without using all-caps and blistering the air blue, these are not citations.

I will repeat: These are not citations. These are not the citations I had to use in high school. These are not the citations friends of mine had to use in college. These are not the MLA-style citaions we used when I helped proofread a small-press magazine, Cup of Wonder. These disclaimers aren't worth the pressure it took to hit the keys.

This isn't a pastiche. This isn't a homage. It doesn't matter that Frances Hogson Burnett's works are out of copyright. Silverstein's hasn't expired, and neither has Harris'.

This is plagiarism.

And to my mind, that's why Heidi came down so hard on anyone who said the P-word about Cassie. Much like the banker who's really just borrowing the money, not embezzling, and the stock broker who's really just using a friendly tip, not insider trading at all, I think Heidi convinced herself she wasn't plagiarizing, really. All her friends were doing it, so it had to be okay. This is Standard Operating Procedure for fandom, too, right?

I've been in fandom since 1983, and theft -- lying -- of this kind has never been Standard Operating Procedure. Never.

And for all the lurkers and mice who want to blow this off with, "So what, Heidi doesn't have a book contract, it's just fandom!" --

Let me hear you say that the next time your work gets "homaged", sugar.

God, I wish I could drink. At this point, I need one.






Remember reading in [info]white_serpent's write-up, about how Heidi's friends were leaving FF.net, because they didn't want what happened to Cassie to happen to them?

One of them was AngieJ, aka Ebony:



Trouble in Paradise,Chapter 7

"Darling, your pregnancy is the least of your concerns right now," her father said quickly. Theodore Granger was a distinguished-looking man, with salt-and-pepper brown hair and a noble carriage. He always reminded me of Hermione, especially around the eyes. "Your priority is to land back on your feet soon as possible, isn’t it?"

She shook her head. "Dad, I can feel something isn’t right. You know I’m not keen on pretending things. Tell me, Ron, and tell me now. Did our baby make it?" The twins and Malinda were already gone. I closed the door, leaving the couple alone with Hermione’s parents. Hermione’s voice was already full of anguish, and we already knew the sad truth that she would soon find out.

The minute the door closed behind me, I heard a pitiful, heartbroken moan. It was Hermione... she’d just been told about her loss.


In all of recorded Weasley history, nothing like this had ever happened before. When a Weasley wife got pregnant, she always carried to term. Plain and simple. Even if the woman herself came from a family with a history of miscarriage, like Penelope’s, it didn’t seem to matter much. A case in point was when I’d developed a rather nasty blood infection while carrying Malinda... she was none the worse for the wear. Fred even told me that Arthur’s sister had fallen down two flights of stairs while five months pregnant. The woman broke both legs and a collarbone, but delivered a healthy baby boy four months later.

Needless to say, Hermione’s miscarriage came as a shock to all.

"Oh, the poor lamb--the poor lamb!" Molly was trying to stifle her sobs in the folds of Arthur’s robes. "I feel horrible for criticizing her... the poor, poor lamb! How can she bear it?"

Arthur put his arms around his wife and patted her head. "There, there, Molly. Hermione’s strong. She’ll make it through this. And so will Ron."



L.M. Montgomery,Anne's House of Dreams,Chapter 19, Dawn and Dusk

At first she was too weak and too happy to notice that Gilbert and the nurse looked grave and Marilla sorrowful. Then, as subtly, and coldly, and remorselessly as a sea-fog stealing landward, fear crept into her heart. Why was not Gilbert gladder? Why would he not talk about the baby? Why would they not let her have it with her after that first heavenly--happy hour? Was--was there anything wrong?

Gilbert," whispered Anne imploringly, "the baby--is all right--isn't she? Tell me--tell me."

Gilbert was a long while in turning round; then he bent over Anne and looked in her eyes. Marilla, listening fearfully outside the door, heard a pitiful, heartbroken moan, and fled to the kitchen where Susan was weeping.

"Oh, the poor lamb--the poor lamb! How can she bear it, Miss Cuthbert? I am afraid it will kill her.
She has been that built up and happy, longing for that baby, and planning for it. Cannot anything be done nohow, Miss Cuthbert?"

"I'm afraid not, Susan. Gilbert says there is no hope. He knew from the first the little thing couldn't live."



There's citations. Christ on a cracker, are there citations:
One ,two,three, four. I've seen album liner notes that didn't go on that long.

Oh, yeah -- and a disclaimer.

Again, not citations, boys and girls.

Wonder if the two-year-old beer in the fridge is still good ...




ETA: Corrected FHB's name, Robert Harris' name, removed Heidi's last name, did a touch-up on one of the sections refering to Aja. Thanks to [info]white_serpent and [info]kijikun for the heads-up on the authors!



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[info]tintin
2006-08-10 03:31 am UTC (link)
WHAT

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[info]rotten_fish
2006-08-10 03:33 am UTC (link)
Man, anon commenting is whackin' out.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 03:34 am UTC (link)
(Apologies if this has been posted already. Haven't gotten through all the comments yet.)

You know, over in the CC report, I wondered if she'd been ripping off West Wing. Looks like it was Heidi doing all that.

<td width="50%" valign="top">From Surfeit of Curses, Chapter 9 (http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/heidi/SOC09.html) He couldn't tell how long he'd been standing there, but he knew Lucius was late as soon as he walked in, because Lucius started asking questions before he even closed the door. "'If you hide your ignorance, nobody will hit you and you'll never learn.' Is this your quote?" "I..." "Is this your quote?" "It's actually from Bradford Rayburn." "You quoted Brad Rayburn, who I fired when he was two years out of Hogwarts because he refused to hold to the Prophet's expository style, in this memo you wrote, where in the middle of an explanation of obscuring spells that any first year could write, you run off on a warped little tangent about banning and hiding books. Is this a joke? Is this some sort of pathetic complaint about your punishment this summer?" "No, I only mentioned it because it's a metaphor and because obscuring spells are a way to..." "Was that supposed to be funny? Was it supposed to make a point, because I don't accept..." "No, it was a metaphor for how I got hit by something when I poked..." Lucius never let him finish the sentence. Lucius slapped him.</td> <td width="50%" valign="top">From The West Wing</i>, Season 2, "Two Cathedrals"</i> (transcript (http://www.westwingtranscripts.com/search.php?flag=getTranscript&id=44)) Dr. Bartlet is sitting in an armchair reading a newspaper, as Jed enters and approaches the other chair. DR. BARTLET: [reading] "If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you will never learn." Is this your quote? JED: Dad, uh, I wanted to mention something to you that maybe you weren't aware of regarding salary acquisitions... DR. BARTLET: Is this your quote? "If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you will never learn." JED: It's actually Ray Bradbury. DR. BARTLET: And you quoted Ray Bradbury? JED: Yes. DR. BARTLET: In an article you and your friends wrote, condemning professor Loomis. JED: [sits] For banning certain books from the library, yes. DR. BARTLET: He is a professor of literature! JED: He banned Henry Miller! He banned D.H. Lawrence. DR. BARTLET: Yes. JED: "Giovanni's Room" 'cause it's too homosexual! DR. BARTLET: Stop it right now. You're a guest at this school. JED: I'm a student at this school. DR. BARTLET: Jed! JED: He banned "Fahrenheit 451," which is about banning books! DR. BARTLET: Was that supposed to be funny? He stands, Jed stands after him. DR. BARTLET: That word play you just did there, was that meant to be funny? JED: That was supposed to... Dr. Bartlet slaps him across the face.</td>


Mentioned only as "inspiration", and this one would almost certainly still be under copyright. (The episode's air date was May 16, 2001. I don't know how copyright works with television series.)

Funny thing about plagiarism. It never comes off well in the copy.

Heidi? Draco Malfoy may be a lot of things, but Jed Bartlet he ain't. By a long shot.

Inspired ≠ lifting whole conversations badly.

melyanna @ lj, incredibly annoyed

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[info]seraphtrevs
2006-08-10 03:35 am UTC (link)
Just when you think that it can't possibly get any more batshit insane...

*wonders which BNF will be next to fall*

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[info]sarkasm
2006-08-10 03:35 am UTC (link)
I really cannot bring myself to do more than shake my head at this all, then slowly back away from the fandom. I knew there was a good reason that I now stick to the fringes of it, and I raise a glass to the HP fandom: no one brings the crazy like they can.

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[info]kalicephirot
2006-08-10 03:36 am UTC (link)
The Secret Garden?

The Secret Garden?!

There's nothing sacred for these people!?

*shakes fist* Leave my childhood memories alone!

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[info]livii
2006-08-10 03:46 am UTC (link)
WAIT WHAT WHAT WHAT?

Too much. Brain overload. Fuck me.

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[info]girlbruce
2006-08-10 03:52 am UTC (link)
At this point the only words coming out of my mouth in coherent form are curse words.

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[info]milaya
2006-08-10 03:58 am UTC (link)
"Other inspiration for this chapter came from Cinderella (yes, Ebony & I share a brain) Emerald House Rising (Peg Kerr), Pillars of the Earth (Ken Follett), The Iowa Baseball Confederacy (W.P. Kinsella), Secret Garden (Frances Hodgeson Burnett) and Border Crossing (Pat Barker), as well as The West Wing - Two Cathedrals episode."

The Iowa Baseball Confederacy?? Oh no you did not just rip off Kinsella! Jesus H. Christ. I now know how the Pamela Dean fans must feel...

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[info]warden
2006-08-10 04:01 am UTC (link)
...

well then.

wow.

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[info]furiosity
2006-08-10 04:08 am UTC (link)
Holy fuck!

Uhm, that's all I got.

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[info]luckdragonfujur
2006-08-10 04:22 am UTC (link)
Frances Hodgson Burnett??!!

The fucking nerve!

Ok, now I am truly seeing red.

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[info]kijikun
2006-08-10 04:23 am UTC (link)
Whoa. Whoa.


Small quibble though:
Isn't Fatherland by Robert Harris? Richard Harris was Dumbledore in the first two Potter movies.

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[info]azazello
2006-08-10 04:38 am UTC (link)
I think this is disgusting. I can say nothing else, without descending into insults and abuse and &*$@!!pottymouth, and hells bells, I feel insulting and abusive and &*$@!!pottymouth.

The above examples are disgraceful.

In 1997, after we first read HP Book One, my daughter wrote a school story which extensively borrowed concepts from HP. She was nine.

I praised the story to the skies, and then explained why some things in it were not really hers to pass as her own (there is some excuse for a nine year old having a story with things like "butterbeer" in because she lacks the knowledge that there is no such thing as butterbeer outside the J K Rowling Potterverse) and gently touched on the concept of plagiarism. Which like most nine year olds she took with interest.

Young children do that sort of thing - they often copy stories even verbatim, but out of a sort of love than anything else. But of course few of them publish their stuff and pass it off as their own work. And they are children and will learn soon enough.

But, these people are adults, and at least one of them is by her own insistence an expert on the law of intellectual property, which should incorporate a thorough knowledge of plagiarism and its definitions. And yet, we see above what (in the face of her avowal that she knows about these things) that she either has not got a clue, or worse is blatantly demonstrating that she thinks rules (legal and moral) do not apply to her or anyone else she considers part of her coterie.

Here's the bit I found funny, quite outwith any plagiarism accusations:

He perched in the window seat at the front of the Lemur, so far away from the bustle that it was not agreeable to be dragged back suddenly by a shout from Lucius as he entered the room. Never did Draco find anything so difficult as to keeping himself from losing his temper when he was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book. People who are fond of books know the feeling of irritation which sweeps over them at such a moment. "It makes me feel as if someone had hit me," he had said once. "And as if I want to hit back. I have to remember things quickly to keep from saying something ill-tempered." The temptation to be unreasonable and snappish is one not easy to manage, but around Lucius, it had to be done.

Where the eff did she get this totally OOC version of Draco Malfoy? Has she even read the bloody canon, because it sure doesn't look like it from this total fragment of canon rape?

*sigh* and all this even before the first caffeine hit of the day.

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(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-08-10 04:44 am UTC
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Completely OT - [info]slackeremeritus, 2006-08-10 06:17 pm UTC
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[info]gun
2006-08-10 04:41 am UTC (link)
Oh, fandom.


...


...


... Oh, fandom.

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[info]luthe
2006-08-10 04:45 am UTC (link)
Bitch, you did not just rip off Frances Burnett Hodges. *growls in defense of her girl* Now I'm pissed. And this woman is a lawyer?

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[info]lunarkettle
2006-08-10 04:49 am UTC (link)
Holy hell. Does anyone in this fandom write their own fic?

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Enough irony to cure anemia!
(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 05:00 am UTC (link)
From the fanboy who went after Mijan on a Yahoo group for plagiarizing CC:

http://faithfulreader.livejournal.com/5854.html

Please remember your tinfoil hats.

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DOA - [info]camilla, 2006-08-10 05:08 am UTC
Re: DOA - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-08-10 05:18 am UTC
Re: DOA - [info]camilla, 2006-08-10 05:40 am UTC
Re: DOA - [info]solar_type_star, 2006-08-10 08:24 pm UTC
Re: DOA - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 02:58 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 05:12 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]kroki_refur, 2006-08-10 05:16 am UTC
You're not alone - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-08-10 05:24 am UTC
Re: You're not alone - [info]evilsqueakers, 2006-08-10 05:40 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 05:35 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 02:10 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]napalmnacey, 2006-08-11 12:19 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]narcissam, 2006-08-10 02:05 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]smit, 2006-08-10 06:40 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]lardencelover, 2006-08-11 07:21 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]smit, 2006-08-11 08:52 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]lardencelover, 2006-08-11 08:55 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]smit, 2006-08-11 08:57 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]lardencelover, 2006-08-11 09:03 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]angel_kathryn, 2006-08-10 05:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oh_envy, 2006-08-10 06:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redcoast, 2006-08-10 05:28 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 12:32 pm UTC
What I got out of it: - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 12:40 pm UTC
Re: What I got out of it: - [info]eilisliana, 2006-08-10 08:55 pm UTC
Re: What I got out of it: - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 09:07 pm UTC
Re: What I got out of it: - [info]eilisliana, 2006-08-10 09:11 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]esclaramonde, 2006-08-10 12:47 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]tunxeh, 2006-08-10 01:53 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]phosfate, 2006-08-10 02:34 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 04:11 am UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - [info]phosfate, 2006-08-11 12:27 pm UTC
Re: Enough irony to cure anemia! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 12:28 am UTC

[info]j5780p
2006-08-10 05:02 am UTC (link)
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised -- heck, I downright would bet on it at the moment -- if some members of the so-called Inner Circle brainstormed about and suggested to each other what books/movies/tv shows they could plagiarize pay homage to. I mean, these people knew better, it isn't much of a stretch that they were calculating about their theft.

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[info]tangentialone
2006-08-10 05:45 am UTC (link)
...Wait, her concept of magic was "inspired" by A Little Princess? I thought that book didn't have any literal magic. WTF? How did she even come UP with that?

I mean... I know there's other things to focus on here, but... WTF.

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[info]ladyrogue
2006-08-10 05:46 am UTC (link)
*looks around for dropped jaw*

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[info]elimination
2006-08-10 06:08 am UTC (link)
...okay, fandom. OKAY. And I thought it was impossible to love you more.

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[info]livii
2006-08-10 06:29 am UTC (link)
From AngieJ's notes at the end of Chapter 11 of Trouble in Paradise (yes, I was looking for that one moment that makes the whole fic worth it - Angelina getting her wings - cos I am a sap for that particular bit of mythology):

If I missed any attributions, chalk it up to the fact that it is 2 a.m. as I type this and I am extremely tired. ;-) Understand that we fanfiction writers, as all writers, use many cultural and classical references as ingredients in a stew. We do not create the tomatoes, potatoes, carrots, celery, beef, etc. in and of ourselves... but we are the cooks that must find the perfect combination of said ingredients, measure them, simmer them... and the result that all writers wish for is that our audiences be pleasantly filled with the resulting story-stew.

::chokes::

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 06:34 am UTC (link)
Never did she find anything so difficult as to keep herself from losing her temper when she was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book.

Never did Draco find anything so difficult as to keeping himself from losing his temper when he was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book

It's like she copied it down word for word, then began to change it to sound a little more modern, but didn't get all the way.

Yikes.

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[info]nostalgia
2006-08-10 06:34 am UTC (link)
I'm just pleased that finally we get a book I've read and a passage I'd probably have recognised.

Go badly-read me!

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