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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]bad_penny,
@ 2006-08-09 21:21:00


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Current mood:Gobsmacked

Heidi's Homages or, "I Can't Believe It's Not Plagiarism!"



Welcome back, my friends
to the show that never ends.
We're so glad you could attend!
Come inside! Come inside!


-- Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part 2


This is -- hopefully -- the last post on BNF plagiarists in the Harry Potter fandom. I make no promises of its ability to keep the reader fascinated: I'm not [info]charlottelennox and I don't have her skill. I can't promise any Funneh. I'm still rather gobsmacked about all this. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, nor do I play one on the internet TV, but I am a Pushy Bitch of the Midwest, and I 've got this bad habit of stating my opinions. Which I do, herein.

If hearing opinions that are not nicely worded offend you, turn back now.

Many hands helped pulled the evidence for this post together. Thank you, all.

Putting My Cards on the Table:

I don't like Heidi.

There's no deep-seated, personal reason for this. We've never interacted, in fandom or out, except for a few random, unpleasant exchanges on [info]fandom_wank and LiveJournal. Over the last four years, that's not enough to build up a deep-seated personal dislike, at least for me.

And those exchanges were unpleasant because they were about the reason why I don't like Heidi: her behavior.

I didn't like her playing on the attitude "fandom takes care of its own" when Cassie's laptop was stolen, and then "it was just among Cassie's friends" backpeddling that followed. I didn't like her "but I can't stop them!" attitude during Charitywank when her journal readers -- including msscribe -- went over to Christina's LJ and flamed her. I didn't like her put-upon "why do I have to do it?" whining when asked to take ten seconds and host a link to Christina's charity.

I didn't like her threatening people with libel whenever Cassie Claire was accused of plagiarism. I didn't like her Heidipatrol popping up whenever someone dared to say the Draco Trilogy or anything else Cassie wrote wasn't the best thing since JKR had an idea about a boy wizard.

I didn't like her calling [info]charlottelennox's posts on msscribe libelous and lies. I didn't like her lame excuses. I didn't like her sacrificing [info]ari_o to save her own skin.

"But, [info]pyratejenni," I can hear someone ask, "that's just her online behavior. Is that really enough to dislike someone?"

Of course it is, considering the only way we interact at all is online.

And I hear, "So why are you writing this? Why not someone impartial?"

At this point, I don't think I could find someone impartial to write this. I showed excerpts of it someone not even in HP fandom, and her response was frothing outrage. [info]white_serpent didn't want to. So I offered.

Besides, it's my community. Why shouldn't I write it?

"But why? This is so old!"

Because I think it helps explain why Heidi was vigilantly defending Cassie from the plagiarism accusations.

The Evidence

A Surfeit of Curses, Chapter 6
He perched in the window seat at the front of the Lemur, so far away from the bustle that it was not agreeable to be dragged back suddenly by a shout from Lucius as he entered the room. Never did Draco find anything so difficult as to keeping himself from losing his temper when he was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book. People who are fond of books know the feeling of irritation which sweeps over them at such a moment. "It makes me feel as if someone had hit me," he had said once. "And as if I want to hit back. I have to remember things quickly to keep from saying something ill-tempered." The temptation to be unreasonable and snappish is one not easy to manage, but around Lucius, it had to be done.

He returned to reality as quickly as he could, and took a few subtle yet deep breaths to calm himself down.


Frances Hodgson Burnett, A Little Princess, Chapter 6
Sara curled herself up in the window-seat, opened a book, and began to read.
...
She was so far away from the schoolroom that it was not agreeable to be dragged back suddenly by a howl from Lottie. Never did she find anything so difficult as to keep herself from losing her temper when she was suddenly disturbed while absorbed in a book. People who are fond of books know the feeling of irritation which sweeps over them at such a moment. The temptation to be unreasonable and snappish is one not easy to manage.

"It makes me feel as if someone had hit me," Sara had told Ermengarde once in confidence. "And as if I want to hit back. I have to remember things quickly to keep from saying something ill- tempered."

She had to remember things quickly when she laid her book on the window-seat and jumped down from her comfortable corner.



But wait! There's more!



A Surfeit of Curses,Chapter 9
"At school, Alexi had such a sharp, delicate face, and was so pale - the color of ivory. His eyes were too big for him, and he had a lot of hair which tumbled over his forehead and made his thin face seem smaller. He always looked as if he had been ill, and was prone to fits of crying, more as if he were tired and cross than in pain. When I saw him in the corridors, especially at night, he looked like a ghost, and like he had as much substance as a ghost as well. But afterwards, he looked and moved and spoke exactly like Lucius did - he would say things after Lucius, almost word for word the same. It was uncanny. He wasn't even a shadow of himself. He was a shadow of Lucius."</i>



Francis Hodgson Burnett,The Secret Garden Chapter 13:

The boy had a sharp, delicate face the color of ivory and he seemed to have eyes too big for it. He had also a lot of hair which tumbled over his forehead in heavy locks and made his thin face seem smaller. He looked like a boy who had been ill, but he was crying more as if he were tired and cross than as if he were in pain.

Mary stood near the door with her candle in her hand, holding her breath. Then she crept across the room, and, as she drew nearer, the light attracted the boy's attention and he turned his head on his pillow and stared at her, his gray eyes opening so wide that they seemed immense.

"Who are you?" he said at last in a half-frightened whisper. "Are you a ghost?"


And from another author:




A Surfeit of Curses,Chapter 3

March stood for a few minutes without switching on the lights, looking out at the broom traffic over the town. Then he went into the kitchen and Summoned a large glass of Ogden's Old Firewhisky. Monday's Daily Prophet was lying by the sink. He carried it back with him into the sitting room.

March had a routine for reading the paper. He stared at the back, which held the truth. If the
Cannons were said to have beaten the Falcons 140 - 60 at Quidditch, the chances were it was true: even the Party had yet to devise a means of rewriting sports results. The sports news was a different matter. Countdown to Hogsmeade Olympics - Australia May Compete for First Time in 28 Years - British Magic Still Leads World. Then the advertisements: Families Love Vacations In Stonehenge, Riviera of Magical Britain. Births, marriages and deaths...

An editorial on the student pro-Muggle demonstrations in Godric's Corner, where there was still a rebel enclave: Traitors Must Be Smashed By Force! The Prophet always took a firm line.

Obituary: some old
gent from the Ministry of Magic. "A lifetime's service to He Who Must Be Obeyed..."

Ministry news: Spring Thaw Brings Fresh Fighting on Siberian Front! British Troops Smash Ivan Terror Groups! In Normandy, five terrorist leaders had been executed for attempting to use a Portkey to bring a mudblood and her family to their hideout in the Pyrenees...


Robert Harris, Fatherland, page 39 and 40:


March stood for a few minutes without switching on the lights, looking down at the traffic
heading south to Wittenberg-Platz. Then he went into the kitchen and poured himself a large whisky. Monday's Berliner Tageblatt was lying by the sink. He carried it back with him into the sitting room.

March had a routine for reading the paper. He started at the back, which held the truth. If
Leipzig </b>was said to have beaten Cologne 4-0 at football, the chances were it was true: even the Party had yet to devise a means of rewriting the sports results. The sports news was a different matter. COUNTDOWN TO TOKYO OLYMPICS. U.S. MAY COMPETE FOR FIRST TIME IN 28 YEARS. GERMAN ATHLETES STILL LEAD WORLD. Then the advertisements: GERMAN FAMILIES! PLEASURE BECKONS IN GOTENLAND, RIVIERA OF THE REICH! French perfume, Italian silks, Scandinavian furs, Dutch cigars, Belgian coffee, Russian caviar, British televisions-- the cornucopia of Empire spilled across the pages. Births, marriages and deaths: TEBBE, Ernst and Ingrid; a son for the Fuhrer. WENZAL, Hans, aged 71; a true National Socialist, sadly missed.

...

Editorial on the student antiwar demonstrations in Heidelberg: TRAITORS MUST BE SMASHED BY FORCE! The Tageblatt always took a firm line.

Obituary: some old
Bonze from the Ministry of the Interior. "A lifetime's service to the Reich . . ."

Reich news: SPRING THAW BRINGS FRESH FIGHTING ON SIBERIAN FRONT! GERMAN TROOPS SMASH IVAN TERROR GROUPS! In Rovno, capital of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine, five terrorist leaders had been executed for organizing the massacre of a family of German settlers.


And poetry


A Surfeit of Curses, Chapter 4

"Somebody said, "Let's all hold hands,"
So Lee held hands with Jean.

And Jean also held Helen's hand

While she held hands with Dean.

Dean's other hand held Sharma Joy's

While she held hands with Lee.

So tell me just how did I wind up

Holdin' hands with me?"

Shel Silverstein,Hand Holding,Falling Up

Somebody said, "Lets all hold hands,"
So Lee held hands with Jean
And Jean also held Helen's hand
While she held hands with Dean.
Dean's other hand helped Sharma Joy's
While she held hands with Lee.
So tell me just how did I wind up
Holdin' hands with me?




When I saw all this, I was dumbfounded. Because, to answer [info]bnfshavemorefun's comment,these works aren't cited.

Oh, there's disclaimers, all right:

Chapter 3. Chapter 4. Chapter 6. Chapter 8. Chapter 9 .

(And other, more interesting disclaimers found on the HP_Paradise mailing list: Chapter 1. Concern. Titanic.)

And there's citations: Chapter 3. Chapter 4. Chapter 6. Chapter 8 Chapter 9. Chapter 9 citation, part 2

To further answer Aja's comment, now that I can without using all-caps and blistering the air blue, these are not citations.

I will repeat: These are not citations. These are not the citations I had to use in high school. These are not the citations friends of mine had to use in college. These are not the MLA-style citaions we used when I helped proofread a small-press magazine, Cup of Wonder. These disclaimers aren't worth the pressure it took to hit the keys.

This isn't a pastiche. This isn't a homage. It doesn't matter that Frances Hogson Burnett's works are out of copyright. Silverstein's hasn't expired, and neither has Harris'.

This is plagiarism.

And to my mind, that's why Heidi came down so hard on anyone who said the P-word about Cassie. Much like the banker who's really just borrowing the money, not embezzling, and the stock broker who's really just using a friendly tip, not insider trading at all, I think Heidi convinced herself she wasn't plagiarizing, really. All her friends were doing it, so it had to be okay. This is Standard Operating Procedure for fandom, too, right?

I've been in fandom since 1983, and theft -- lying -- of this kind has never been Standard Operating Procedure. Never.

And for all the lurkers and mice who want to blow this off with, "So what, Heidi doesn't have a book contract, it's just fandom!" --

Let me hear you say that the next time your work gets "homaged", sugar.

God, I wish I could drink. At this point, I need one.






Remember reading in [info]white_serpent's write-up, about how Heidi's friends were leaving FF.net, because they didn't want what happened to Cassie to happen to them?

One of them was AngieJ, aka Ebony:



Trouble in Paradise,Chapter 7

"Darling, your pregnancy is the least of your concerns right now," her father said quickly. Theodore Granger was a distinguished-looking man, with salt-and-pepper brown hair and a noble carriage. He always reminded me of Hermione, especially around the eyes. "Your priority is to land back on your feet soon as possible, isn’t it?"

She shook her head. "Dad, I can feel something isn’t right. You know I’m not keen on pretending things. Tell me, Ron, and tell me now. Did our baby make it?" The twins and Malinda were already gone. I closed the door, leaving the couple alone with Hermione’s parents. Hermione’s voice was already full of anguish, and we already knew the sad truth that she would soon find out.

The minute the door closed behind me, I heard a pitiful, heartbroken moan. It was Hermione... she’d just been told about her loss.


In all of recorded Weasley history, nothing like this had ever happened before. When a Weasley wife got pregnant, she always carried to term. Plain and simple. Even if the woman herself came from a family with a history of miscarriage, like Penelope’s, it didn’t seem to matter much. A case in point was when I’d developed a rather nasty blood infection while carrying Malinda... she was none the worse for the wear. Fred even told me that Arthur’s sister had fallen down two flights of stairs while five months pregnant. The woman broke both legs and a collarbone, but delivered a healthy baby boy four months later.

Needless to say, Hermione’s miscarriage came as a shock to all.

"Oh, the poor lamb--the poor lamb!" Molly was trying to stifle her sobs in the folds of Arthur’s robes. "I feel horrible for criticizing her... the poor, poor lamb! How can she bear it?"

Arthur put his arms around his wife and patted her head. "There, there, Molly. Hermione’s strong. She’ll make it through this. And so will Ron."



L.M. Montgomery,Anne's House of Dreams,Chapter 19, Dawn and Dusk

At first she was too weak and too happy to notice that Gilbert and the nurse looked grave and Marilla sorrowful. Then, as subtly, and coldly, and remorselessly as a sea-fog stealing landward, fear crept into her heart. Why was not Gilbert gladder? Why would he not talk about the baby? Why would they not let her have it with her after that first heavenly--happy hour? Was--was there anything wrong?

Gilbert," whispered Anne imploringly, "the baby--is all right--isn't she? Tell me--tell me."

Gilbert was a long while in turning round; then he bent over Anne and looked in her eyes. Marilla, listening fearfully outside the door, heard a pitiful, heartbroken moan, and fled to the kitchen where Susan was weeping.

"Oh, the poor lamb--the poor lamb! How can she bear it, Miss Cuthbert? I am afraid it will kill her.
She has been that built up and happy, longing for that baby, and planning for it. Cannot anything be done nohow, Miss Cuthbert?"

"I'm afraid not, Susan. Gilbert says there is no hope. He knew from the first the little thing couldn't live."



There's citations. Christ on a cracker, are there citations:
One ,two,three, four. I've seen album liner notes that didn't go on that long.

Oh, yeah -- and a disclaimer.

Again, not citations, boys and girls.

Wonder if the two-year-old beer in the fridge is still good ...




ETA: Corrected FHB's name, Robert Harris' name, removed Heidi's last name, did a touch-up on one of the sections refering to Aja. Thanks to [info]white_serpent and [info]kijikun for the heads-up on the authors!



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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 03:04 pm UTC (link)
I wish I could say that I find this sick and disgusting, but really I just find it pathetic. Heidi, CC, and the rest were so desperate for validation from fandom that they were willing to copy other writers' work, word for word, and claim it as their own (don't even get me started on the lame "homage" or "inspiration" excuse--that's so lame that it's obviously a smokescreen). It's a sad commentary on their lives.

Although, I'm left to wonder: if they cared so little about stealing published, well-known text, who's to say they haven't stolen text from other sources...such as fandom? I wonder how many obscure fanfics they've stolen passages from? There's so much out there, you'd never know for sure.

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alittlewhisper
2006-08-10 03:07 pm UTC (link)
Step back, Cult of Mean. It's like the Cult of Stupid :( Did they all take some sort of pact to plagiarise together, get popular together, and then ascend fanfic? This screams Buffy monster of the week, ironically. Or some creepy cult to the Mayor. Or maybe I'm just watching too much Buffy lately.


And to anyone who is saying it doesn't matter because it's just fanfic and therefore no one should care? It's still writing. If anything, we should be more pissed that it's occurring in fanfic? Why? Because most people who write fanfic are so utterly devoted and pour so much more of their soul into their work.

Real writers write for deadlines. Fanfic writers write for fun. And the idea that someone had fun quite carefully copying all that makes me sick. BITCH, PLEASE. Fanfic might not count for jack shit in the real world, but when you get your fandom card, you check your real life problems at the door, not your real life morals. And if the recent wank has taught us anything, for the most part, fandom is a phenomenon that the real world will never really get, but something that fandomers accross the board will set aside differences for, so they can, you know, unite themselves in self-righteous wanking.

You might not get any money for it, but fandom pays you in friends, meta, fic, interesting discussion and, above all, freedom to be a porn addict with many other little porn addicts and read free porn. And, ya'know, laugh at all the batshits that it brings out of the woodwork.

So bitch please. The plagiarism was calculated. Build a bridge and get over it. Your misguided need to idolise someone on the internet turned out to be false because they were a whining, cheating assbag. It's not like this was so incredibly shocking.

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[info]the_clansmen
2006-08-10 03:23 pm UTC (link)
I have never been into HP all that much. Sure, I read the books as they come out, but my claim to fame is promptly forgetting every single last detail within two weeks of finishing the books (and recalling really random, obscure things at odd times). That said, I tend to avoid the fandom for obvious reasons. Between the Ms. Scribe Story, Cassie Claire, and this, I am now very, very glad for that. Having been plagiarized before (to the point where someone posted my entire story onto an archive. When someone pointed it out, she claimed that she had my permission and was doing it "for me". I had the story and the user removed from the archive), this really boils my butt all around. People who think plagiarism is a victimless crime obviously haven't been plagiarized before.

I have used "inspiration". My main original series admittedly takes a lot of inspiration from the Buffy-verse and the Laurell K. Hamilton books (you know, the actual good stuff. It's in there. Mostly in the really early Anita Blake books. And my main character was a necromancer before I even read the books. That's sort of why I bothered to read them at all), but is still recognizably original. I didn't lift a single conversation, line, character, or plot from those things. And I also admit freely I got inspiration from a variety of sources. That's homage/pastiche. (I also nearly beat myself to death with my House Season One DVDs when I noticed the similarities between my universe and the one in Cassandra Claire/Clare's upcoming book series. This is saying something, because I had to drive 30 minutes just to get the DVDs back from someone to do it.)

*Sigh* This is why I make fun of my best friend (and former holder of this account) for deciding to become a lawyer all the time.

Randomly, anyone else seen the new Subway commercial where all the BBQ places are telling Subway to "Cease and Desist" with their BBQ sandwich, wording it in fancy legal language? Every damn time I see that commercial, I think of Heidi. (And the Internet Lawyers.)

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Just thinking...
[info]narcissam
2006-08-10 03:26 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to point out right now what a *real* pastiche is.

Mina de Malfois is a pastiche of PG Wodehouse's Jeeves and Wooster. It doesn't steal lines. It writes in the manner of Wodehouse, or rather in the manner of Bertie Wooster written by Wodehouse.

Oh, and Mina even footnotes. :-) See her latest postings.

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Pastiche vs. Plagiarism
[info]caras_galadhon
2006-08-10 03:35 pm UTC (link)
Since it keeps coming up, I figured this would be of some small use. Here are two definitions I got from The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms (Chris Baldick, 1991) and posted in my own journal regarding the difference between pastiche and plagiarism. The most relevant parts (IMHO) are underlined.

pastiche [pas-teesh], a literary work composed from elements borrowed either from various other writers or from a particular earlier author. The term can be used in a derogatory sense to indicate lack of originality, or more neutrally to refer to works that involve a deliberate and playfully imitative tribute to other writers. Pastiche differs from parody in using imitation as a form of flattery rather than mockery, and from plagiarism in its lack of deceptive intent. A well-known modern example is John Fowles's novel The French Lieutenant's Woman (1969), which is partly a pastiche of the great Victorian novelists. The frequent resort to pastiche has been cited as a characteristic feature of postmodernism. A writer of pastiches is sometimes called a pasticheur. Verb: pastiche. [Underline as emphasis mine.]

plagiarism [play-jă-rizm], the theft of ideas (such as plots of narrative or dramatic works) or of written passages or works, where these are passed off as one's own work without acknowledgement of their true origin; or a piece of writing thus stolen. Plagiarism is not always easily separable from imitation, adaptation, or pastiche, but it is usually distinguished by its dishonest intention. A person practising this form of literary theft is a plagiarist. The older term plagiary was applied both to plagiarisms and to plagiarists. Verb: plagiarize. [Underline as emphasis mine.]

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[info]rotten_fish
2006-08-10 03:42 pm UTC (link)
http://www.journalfen.net/users/naienko/8140.html

I guess this is the part where we change BP's name to 'this is a witch hunt, y'all.'

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[info]mrs_bombastic
2006-08-10 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Okay. So, I suppose you can argue about whether this matters in fanfic -- I say, yes, but go with me on the 'just for the sake of argument' thing here -- and let's assume that plagiarizing in fanfic is less bad than doing it in a commercially published piece.

Another arena where we KNOW it matters. . . A LOT . . . is eductional institutions. You just don't play that game in school (not without getting into BIG trouble and/or lots and lots of groveling).

These fics are all achived at Fiction Alley, right?

"...in the fall of 2004, FictionAlley was granted 501(c)(3) status by the US IRS as an educational entity."

Erm :/

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[info]narcissam
2006-08-10 03:56 pm UTC (link)
This isn't plagiarism since she didn't say she wrote it. It's just... weird.

Homages.

Almost the entirety of this work is from Jane Austin's Pride and Prejudice, but the copyright's expired on her work, so there is no copyright infringement. Consider it an homage, not plagiarism!

My favourite bit.

While settling this point, she was suddenly roused by the sound of the door bell, and her spirits were a little fluttered by the idea of its being MacMillan himself, who had once before called late in the evening, and might now come to enquire particularly after her. But this idea was soon banished, and her spirits were very differently affected, when, to her utter amazement, she saw Malfoy walk into the room. In an hurried manner he immediately began an enquiry after her health, imputing his visit to a wish of hearing that she were better. She answered him with cold civility. He sat down for a few moments, and then getting up, walked about the room. Hermione was surprised, but said not a word. After a silence of several minutes, he came towards her in an agitated manner, and thus began,

''In vain have I struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you.''

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[info]redcoast
2006-08-10 04:23 pm UTC (link)
If to avoid plagiarism you have to write a citation list that resembles a term paper, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

On the other hand, isn't asking for MLA citation a little ridiculous? MLA asks for information that is far more detailed than what fiction requires. We don't need to know publisher, date, edition, page number. Author and book title would suffice. (CORRECT author and book title, Cassie.)

And in some circumstances, even just saying "Shakespeare" or "Joss" would suffice.

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Famous last chapter - [info]redcoast, 2006-08-10 05:35 pm UTC
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!!!!!
[info]honorh
2006-08-10 04:44 pm UTC (link)
SHE PLAGIARIZED THE SECRET GARDEN?!?!? Oh, that's just *low*! How can they even offer excuses for this? It's exactly what I used to nail students for. *Exactly!*

Damn, I was sort of morbidly fascinated by the CC thing, but now I'm just angry!

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[info]incitata
2006-08-10 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Blimey, I had no idea they were all at it.

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[info]ahiru
2006-08-10 05:09 pm UTC (link)
The fact that Heidi and CC even need the long-ass lists of citations makes my eyes roll. Whether it is or isn't plagiarism can be debated all they like (I'm voting for "so totally plagiarism" right now, thank you), as far as I'm concerned it's definitely bad writing all around. A talented writer shouldn't need to steal wildly from a bajillion outside sources. Even if every single lifted line was credited, it wouldn't change the fact that it's a sloppy way to write.

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[info]mer1973
2006-08-10 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Wow. New low.

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[info]entrenous88
2006-08-10 06:08 pm UTC (link)
I *just* started reading, but from the very first side-by-side, I imagine my "OH MY GOD!" reaction is one I'll have over and over and over as I finish your post.

WOW, seriously.

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[info]solar_type_star
2006-08-10 06:33 pm UTC (link)
O_O Just... why? WHY? I can see Heidi being too lazy not to bother with those silly and unimportant citations, but AngieJ? There's entire emails in those author notes, couldn't she complete the work and write citations, since she obviously was on a run?

Just ugh. UGH!

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 06:59 pm UTC (link)
So who thinks that at this point Heidi is back at home, fingers stuck in her ears, yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU."

That, or she and Cassie have been on the longest AIM chat in the history of EVER, figuring how to spin this so they come out smelling like wronged and misunderstood BNF's.

Option A?
Option B?
All of the above?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 07:00 pm UTC
Wellllll... - (Anonymous), 2006-08-10 11:30 pm UTC
The plagiarism... it's contagious.
[info]zealot
2006-08-10 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I know this is completely off the point, but in regards to this excerpt from Ebony's fic:

"Theodore Granger was a distinguished-looking man, with salt-and-pepper brown hair..."

Can hair be salt-and-pepper and brown? Sounds like a bad dye job.

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Re: The plagiarism... it's contagious. - [info]squib, 2006-08-11 03:15 am UTC

[info]hinoema
2006-08-10 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Back when I joined the fandom, I heard about the Great Cassie Claire. I clicked on a fic (don't remember whiich one) to see for myself.

I read about a page, thought "Christ, this woman needs to learn how to write existing characters in character. What rubbish." and never looked at ti again.

I'm glad, now. Subbing character names into another story is the very definition of 'lame'. Doing so and saying "Look what I wrote" is reprehensible. Getting (internet) fame and fortune for it is a serious case of Karma in the making.

Like this account, for instance. ;)

Seriously, though- they both should be praying to whomever they pray to that there are no real life reprecussions- such as oh, Ms. Rowling deciding to disallow all fanfic and fansites (no, she won't, but she could) or someone crying foul on FAP and claiming conduct unbecoming a tax-exempt organization.

*shakes head*

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 07:22 pm UTC (link)
So, uh, stepping off the outrage for a sec, did Draco and Harry ever get busy or what? I'm never going to read the last 6 or so chapters, but I feel like I spent so much time as a retarded 14 year old obsessing over it I should at least get closure. :(

But, yeah, this makes me feel sick to my stomach. Wow. What assholes.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 07:23 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. (http://www.journalfen.net/community/bad_penny/11176.html?thread=3009448#t3009448) I posted that. It was completely retarded and dumb and an idiotic thing to do. I got it. I re-read this entry and I looked up information on the whole CC plagiarism deal and whatnot, and I was wrong. Please don't tell me I was wrong/dumb/an idiot, I already know and I get the picture. I should care, since I too write fanfiction, and I shouldn't be criticising a community that has members promoting integrity and an honest chance to promote original work with a pre-based universe. I sound like a suck-up - eh, whatever.

Now, I have a real question, one that coincides with this post in the first place: What can we do it about it? Are there ways to actually hand out punishment to CC for plagiarism? You could push her out of fandom, but since this is fanfiction, and therefore not real published work in the first place, what could actually happen? Because - correct me if I'm wrong - if someone tried to push for consequences to occur, wouldn't that inadvertently affect the entire fandom?

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 07:23 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. (http://www.journalfen.net/community/bad_penny/11176.html?thread=3009448#t3009448) I posted that. It was completely retarded and dumb and an idiotic thing to do. I got it. I re-read this entry and I looked up information on the whole CC plagiarism deal and whatnot, and I was wrong. Please don't tell me I was wrong/dumb/an idiot, I already know and I get the picture. I should care, since I too write fanfiction, and I shouldn't be criticising a community that has members promoting integrity and an honest chance to promote original work with a pre-based universe. I sound like a suck-up - eh, whatever.

Now, I have a real question, one that coincides with this post in the first place: What can we do it about it? Are there ways to actually hand out punishment to CC for plagiarism? You could push her out of fandom, but since this is fanfiction, and therefore not real published work in the first place, what could actually happen? Because - correct me if I'm wrong - if someone tried to push for consequences to occur, wouldn't that inadvertently affect the entire fandom?

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[info]kenboy
2006-08-10 07:40 pm UTC (link)
You know, I think I want to thank Cassie and Heidi.

You see, before all this, I almost always misspelled "plagiarism." Generally, I'd add an extra "i," but sometimes, I'd miss the second one as well. Or that "a" after the "g."

"Plaigarist" never looked right to me, and as a result, I'd always spell-check my comments on the topic, so I never actually looked stupid, but I felt stupid. Now, though, I've been typing the word in all its various forms so often -- plagiarist, plagiarism, plagiarize.

So, thank you, Heidi and Cassie! I'm a better speller now.

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[info]go_shirly
2006-08-10 07:44 pm UTC (link)
I have a question because there are obviously people here more knowledgeable in the subject than I. Writing is a hobby of mine, and something that I may some day try to take up professionally, so I'm trying to learn exactly what is and is not acceptable when it comes to quotation or homage.

Take the AnjieJ example. I see clearly how that is plagiarism, because while it would be unfair to attack any story that has characters discussing a miscarriage as a rip-off of the Anne of Green Gables series, it's the overt copying of scene structure and wordings that make it unoriginal. However, what if the scene had a different structure and virtually no similarities in phrasing, yet at some point the character who had the miscarriage was referred to as a "poor lamb" (or even a "poor lamb - the poor lamb!"). Would this be acceptable as homage?

I implore the Cult of Mean to teach me the ways. Oh, great Hive Vagina, I am a willing student.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-10 08:08 pm UTC (link)
My God, it just... gets worse.

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[info]tehrin
2006-08-10 08:29 pm UTC (link)
I will repeat: These are not citations... These disclaimers aren't worth the pressure it took to hit the keys.

This isn't a pastiche. This isn't a homage. It doesn't matter that Frances Hogson Burnett's works are out of copyright. Silverstein's hasn't expired, and neither has Harris'.

This is plagiarism.


Well phrased. Thank you for writting this. I also dislike Heidi even though I never knew her. Her abuse of her status as a lawyer chaffs me something terrible. Now coupled with the fact that she not only defended CC, but participated in plaguirizing stories herself, it just makes my dislike for her worse.

Still, I am glad this is all out now. Even though I didn't know much about it until now, thanks to you, charlotte and white_serpent. Do you still need a drink? Merlot?

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