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	go_shirly 2006-08-16 10:09 pm UTC (link)
	Chumps and chumpettes? Here's an actual apology. Not a suck-up or an excuse, but something... quite well-written, actually. Kudos, AngieJ. That takes balls (Reply to this)(Thread)

	pyratejenni 2006-08-16 10:22 pm UTC (link)
	Good for her. She's a role model for two people. (Reply to this)(Parent)

starkeymonster
2006-08-16 10:30 pm UTC (link)

It's a good apology but...her comments about folklore are CRAP.

When tales are told in an oral tradition, the text does not remain stable in teh same way it does in written literature. Phrasing changes, different parts are expanded or contracted depending on audience reaction, etc. etc. It is true that certain stock phrases are used repeatedly, but the whole story is not repeated word for word.

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go_shirly
2006-08-16 10:51 pm UTC (link)

I think she was just writing about that as a way to explain why she included the story in the first place. The important part was when she said that while the story has a history in oral tradition, it was wrong to not mention that the exact text came from another book. It reads less "I shouldn't have done it, but here's why I did it" and more "This is why I did it, but I still shouldn't have done it that way", which I guess to me makes the difference between an excuse and an explanation.

Heidi, on the other hand, makes weird statements that sound an awful lot like the 'apologies' my (lawyer) father used to make. It took a long time to get him to stop twisting words around and loading up everything with excuses.

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	starkeymonster 2006-08-17 12:06 am UTC (link)
	You're totally right that she is trying to explain why she did things, not excuse it. That portion of the excuse happens to be something that always irritates me. Now that I'm less cranktastic, what is great about this apology is an admission that something wrong had happened, an explenation of why this own't happen again, and an admission of responsibility. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	oulangi 2006-08-16 10:33 pm UTC (link)
	Absolute Kudos to AngieJ - It reads as sincere and adult response to this situation. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ashenmote 2006-08-16 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	That made my day. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	polygamouse 2006-08-16 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	Thank goodness there's still some class left in this fandom. Way to go, AngieJ. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	white_serpent 2006-08-16 10:55 pm UTC (link)
	You know what? I agree. That's an apology, and I respect her for it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pyratejenni 2006-08-16 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	That's an apology, and I respect her for it. Yup. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rhiannonmr 2006-08-16 11:02 pm UTC (link)
	Now that takes some class. She owned it, explained it and explained what she was doing to make it right. Kudos to Angie. I hope things go well for her future. This is what an apology should be. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	limyaael 2006-08-16 11:05 pm UTC (link)
	Good for her! She also seems to be the only one who's taken some initiative to contact the relatives of the people she plagiarized from (I never did see a definitive statement that CC had received permission from Pamela Dean, but it does seem fact that she only contacted her after being prodded). Would that other plagiarists could actually admit it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tehrin 2006-08-16 11:07 pm UTC (link)
	applaudes (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kittikattie 2006-08-17 12:07 am UTC (link)
	There you go, Angie. THAT'S how you apologize. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sunhawk 2006-08-17 12:08 am UTC (link)
	Impressive and genuine, rare to see someone actually willing to do some soulsearching and not just give a token excuse for bad behavior. Not that every accusation made against oneself should be heeded but it does no harm to think about it even if it's just a little. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	angua9 2006-08-17 12:15 am UTC (link)
	I'm impressed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ishie 2006-08-17 12:34 am UTC (link)
	Now, THAT is how you apologize. Good for her, and good for anyone who takes something positive away from her message. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lerefuge 2006-08-17 12:38 am UTC (link)
	WOW. I didn't know her, but I didn't expect something like that due to CC and Heidi's reaction to all this. Congrats to her. It takes balls indeed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kijikun 2006-08-17 12:42 am UTC (link)
	Kudos to her. That's all most of us wanted. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-08-17 03:28 am UTC (link)
	That actually restored a whole lot of my faith in humanity, right there. Way to go, AngieJ. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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