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The Duchess of Richmond ([info]charlottelennox) wrote in [info]bad_penny,
@ 2006-10-02 02:21:00


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The Msscribe Story, Afterword Three
Greetings! It's been a while since I last posted on June 23rd, 2006. There is an interesting new development.



But first, here is a brief recap of the Msscribe-related events that I know of since that post, with a couple that happened before that post, but weren't covered in it:

June 21 -- [info]malachan (formerly [info]cygnusfap), revealing himself to be the person behind [info]fandom_quibbler, posted some more IP matches for Msscribe -- anonymous comments about the fall of GT on the Quibbler.

June 22 -- [info]angua9 posted the text of the email that she had sent Heidi in March-April 2004, saying that it was in response to a comment on Heidi's journal, which she quoted.

June 23 -- [info]clarabella21 commented on this post in [info]angua9's Live Journal, saying only: An update will be posted in my journal. According to [info]angua9, the IP was 151.138.254.21, which looks like it comes from the DFW Airport in Dallas, Texas. A couple of hours later, "Clarabella" made a voice mail post on her own LJ, oddly backdated to a month before. Here is a screencap, and here is what it said, as transcribed by tophets_tool:
It’s me. I know that I haven’t been around in years and I never thought I’d come back to this journal. I’ve already apologised, I have nothing else to say, except that I wan’t to be left alone. I don’t appreciate people contacting me, and I will be deleting this journal in twenty four hours. Thank you
I have no idea who made that phone call, but Clarabella's journal was deleted twenty-four hours later as she promised.

In between those two events on that same day, June 23, Msscribe made another change to her LJ, changing her name to [info]dejaspirit and her title to "Solitude." That LJ is still in existence as I write this, and looks like this. There are no public posts, but she has three friend-only posts since then, according to the calendar, the latest one on September 29th. As I recall, there were a few more posts previously that must have now been deleted. Currently, [info]dejaspirit has 87 people friended, and 47 mutual friends. Here is a screencap taken by [info]smithereen showing that dejaspirit is the same LJ as delawarean/light_music/msscribe, renamed again.

June 24 -- [info]heidi8 posted a public apology for "some of the things I said and did, as well as some of the things I didn't say or didn't do."

July 7 or so -- The [info]dejaspirit LJ was changed from a permanent account to a basic account. People have speculated that Live Journal allowed Msscribe to transfer her permanent account status to a different LJ. If so, I do not know what that LJ name is.

July 15 -- I received an email apparently from babygrrl/[info]infinitus. It appeared to be authentic, from what I could tell, and said briefly that she was a real person; that she did not know if what I have said about Msscribe was true, but that Msscribe had been a good friend to her; and that she had spoken to "Clarabella" on the telephone a couple of times while Msscribe was said to be in the hospital. She further said that she has left fandom completely for personal reasons and does not wish to be contacted in any way. I did not respond, and I have no plan to question her further.


Now for the reason for my post:

October 1 -- In response to a "fandom history" posted by [info]michaelaecks on the [info]bad_penny community, and now deleted, [info]heidi8 had made a post on September 30 discussing [info]michaelaeck's allegations. On that post, an anonymous commenter offered some information about Msscribe. I will repeat selected parts of the comment here:
...I am a 12 year veteran of an investigative until dedicated to mostly fraud, but I’ve had some experience with other crimes more personal in nature. I won’t be revealing who I am and I’m sure you can understand that concern.

...Wanting to uncover a few things, I did some digging on my own. In order to remain neutral, I didn’t contact either the people in question or the accusers.

...Some things I discovered:

Msscribe sued a trucking company entitled J & P trucking using personal injury attorney Fred Freibott in April of 2002. The suit alleged that the injury’s included head injury, a broken rib, a broken arm, and a dislocated shoulder. The case settled five months later.

From that April 2002 until 2003, msscribe’s tax records indicate that she and her husband employed someone who has a very similar last name to that belonging to the sockpuppet ‘Clarabella’. The title of the position they gave her was ‘home health aid.’ That person also claimed their income on their own tax return. Using the real name on the tax record, I was able to access their college information as well as other information regarding them including the fact that they had been employed at a nursing home for two years prior. The employee of msscribe’s last employment record is as a nurse’s aid in Florida in 2004, the prior record being a child care worker in late 2003.

Msscribe was hospitalized at least five times in that three-year period, twice for surgery according to her application for disability status in 2003. (I would question why someone who is married to a lawyer needs disability, but that might be me being judgemental.) When I gave her real name to the records department at Christiana Hospital in Delaware, this was confirmed.

The alleged stalker: This is a tricky one. The bad penny people can’t be blamed too much for this, but it turns out that there is a record, although it isn’t a police report, rather an incident report, and at the time msscribe appeared to still be using her maiden name and not her married one. In addition, the name ‘Louis’ turned out not to be a legal name, but a nickname. At first attempt to uncover the report, I was told they could find it, but upon inquiring about an incident record, I was able to retrieve more information. It was reported as telephone harassment and not internet harassment, and the charges were dropped. It appears that she lied about any death threats and that even though she may have been harassed, she dropped the ball when it came down to pursuing it, perhaps because she didn’t have a clear case. I’ve dealt with numerous police departments regarding Internet cases and they are pretty inept at handling these things. I toyed with posting the report, but most of the information would be blacked out and I don’t think it would add all that much weight.

In any case, her alleged stalker has no prior criminal history and none since, with the exception of one citation for public consumption of alcohol in 2005.

...I am continuing to plow through these reports, but I’ll be happy to take requests. I don’t want to flood the system with inquiries however (things like Lexis and other national databases require logins and often money) but I will be happy to try to clarify things.

...I'm thinking of setting up a journal and post ing what I find, although please know that it sometimes takes a few days to access information.

Of course I have no idea who this anonymous person is or any way to judge the accuracy of their information. I understand that [info]heidi8 had IP logging turned off at the time, so she will not have this person's IP. I will say that I do not believe that this is Msscribe. The style is very different from hers, it has a precise, dispassionate tone that I do not believe her to be capable of, and, perhaps most telling of all, it does not flatter Msscribe or emphasize her importance. I would be very interested in speaking further with this unidentified informant.

Here is how this information strikes me:

As to the automobile accident and lawsuit, I tend to believe it. I have always suspected that Msscribe was telling the truth about having been in an automobile accident and having a severe head injury. This is one aspect of her story that never wavered from first to last. As lawsuits are a matter of public record, perhaps someone who knows Msscribe's real name can verify this.

As to the home health care aide, this sounds credible, though it would be much harder to independently verify. I note that if "Clarabella" or her equivalent was working and possibly residing with Msscribe from June 2002 onward, this obviously does not fit Clarabella's two different descriptions of herself in her early posts at Portkey and on LJ when she was fangirling Msscribe. Nor does it fit Msscribe's posts to and about Clarabella, since they posted as strangers who were meeting for the first time. If you will remember my recap here, both Msscribe and Clarabella were claiming that they lived in different places as late as May 30, 2003. It was not until March 2, 2004 that Msscribe made the first reference to "Clarabella" living with her or being any kind of health aide. Before that, she was a fan met on the internet and, later, a friend and occasional babysitter.

If this new information is correct, it seems that either Msscribe based her "Clarabella" sockpuppet on her real-life health care aide, or possibly the real-life health care aide was involved in the fangirling scheme, posing as a stranger to Msscribe. I note that the anonymous commenter says that the real-life health care aide had "a very similar last name to that belonging to the sockpuppet ‘Clarabella’." I would be very interested in knowing what that name is. Though I obviously can't access tax records, etc., like this person claims to, I can at least do a Google search!

Next comes the claim about hospital visits: Msscribe was hospitalized at least five times in that three-year period, twice for surgery according to her application for disability status in 2003. I frankly don't understand this. If the "five times in that three-year period" was described in a disability application in 2003, does that mean the accident was way back in 2000? Or is this person writing unclearly, and the "three-year period" goes, say, from 2002 to 2005? I have no difficulty believing that Msscribe might have had hospital visits, but I remain very skeptical of her dramatic near-death collapse as reported to us by "Clarabella" in March of 2003. I would be interested to know if this anonymous source claims a hospital visit corresponding to that date.

I have no idea if this claim can be independently verified. I have been informed that hospitals will not give out information without the permission of the patient, and this source is not clear how he or she obtained the information from "the records department at Christiana Hospital in Delaware." I would point out the discrepancy between a disability application and an active career as a back-up singer/senator's publicist who made appearances on the television news and was forced to resign for writing smutty fanfic.

Next comes the matter of the alleged "telephone harrasser." I am inclined to be suspicious of this account. Too many people have badgered both the Dayton Police and the University of Dayton campus authorities for information about "Louis Movello" or any similar name for me to believe that there was an "incident report" for any person with the same last name that somehow wasn't found. However, this can of course be confirmed, if anyone feels like bothering the unfortunate Dayton Police one last time. Given the fact that Msscribe gave [info]ari_o the name of an officer who wasn't employed there in 2003, and the total lack of success various people have had looking for someone with a name similar to Msscribe's alleged stalker both in the town of Dayton and at the university, I simply can't believe this claim without further substantiation. I would like to know what name the alleged incident report was made for, if "Louis" was a nickname, as this person claims. I would also be very interested in the date. Was it, perhaps, an earlier incident that Msscribe drew upon when creating the story of Fermatojam's stalking?

Whatever the truth of the alleged incident report (and I hope we'll find out more soon), I note that this story, if true, shows that Msscribe was lying in almost everything she ever said about "Louis," including that she "had him arrested" and "took him to court," that she had a police report, that he was expelled from his school, that he hacked into her computer and twelve others, that he sent her threatening emails that were "all printed out and sitting in a little file at the campus police department," and, presumably, that he was a member of Gryffindor Tower. Also, it destroys the explanation of how Clarabella discovered Fermatojam's email password and "hacked into" his accounts.


If the person who posted on Heidi's LJ is legitimate, I hope he or she will respond to some of these questions!



ETA: I feel like I'm stepping on eggshells here, but here goes. An anonymous commenter who seems by style to be the same anonymous commenter from Heidi's LJ has posted here in response to my questions, claiming to be using an Anonymizer. The posts were screened by the mods because they contained a great deal of personal information, including names, addresses, and medical information that is apparently not legal to give out in public and could conceivably get this community, JF, and of course me into legal trouble. For this reason, I have screened all new comments on my JF and LJ journals. I will unscreen all inoffensive comments as soon as I notice them, but please be aware that I do not have comment notification turned on, so I might miss some. I am very sorry about this.

Here is what the person said in response to my questions, without the details:

1 - S/he says that Msscribe was admitted to the hospital on the date she and Clarabella claimed, with particulars that generally fit their accounts (except for Clarabella's place of residence and relationship to Msscribe).

2 - S/he says that Msscribe's home health care aide seems by address to have been a student at Clarabella's claimed university at one time, though apparently not after late 2002 (in other words, her time in the HP fandom), when she listed her address as Msscribe's address. S/he didn't respond about the age question or offer the person's real name (which is good, of course, and I shouldn't have asked without specifying that I wanted to receive this information privately!). S/he gave more information about the person's post-Msscribe work and personal history.

3. S/he says that Msscribe showed income from being a back-up singer mainly prior to 1996. S/he said something that indicated that Msscribe might have been employed by a state senator in 2003, but did not say whether or not she reported income from that. S/he gave much information about Msscribe's employment record prior to 2002, some of which agrees with what I found by Googling.

4. S/he said something that seems to imply that the telephone harassment incident report he or she previously mentioned was on the correct date in March 2003, and also said that it is available on an online database. I have not found out how to access such a database, but have found indications that one might exist. No more detail was given on that.

Despite the wealth of detail offered, I have not been able to confirm any of this information. I am extremely reluctant to call the hospital, though it may be that hospitals are willing to confirm the bare fact of an admission if you have the correct patient name and date. I am somewhat reluctant to bother the Dayton police, especially if an online alternative really is available. I cannot attempt to confirm any of the "Clarabella" or "Louis" information, as I do not have their alleged real names. I am still hoping that someone will confirm or deny the lawsuit -- I'm afraid I personally have no knowledge of how to search for court cases.

If the investigative mouse wants to comment on my screened JF or LJ with more hints to help me confirm his or her assertions, I think that would be acceptable. I will investigate to the best of my amateur (and within-the-bounds-of-legal) ability and report the results without personal details. He or she can no longer post here (unless s/he gets an account), because the mods have turned off anonymous posting.

I thank the mouse for coming here and responding, and I apologize to the Bad_Penny mods and Journalfen for the spate of TMI that occurred. I'm so glad you were watching!




Afterword Four


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(Anonymous)
2006-10-03 09:32 pm UTC (link)
I’m going out on a limb here and I’m prepared for the slew of “Is that you, MsScribe?” spam that will follow this, but I need to ask these things since few people are stopping to consider all of this information aside from dismissing it. I hope it will get at least one coherent response. I cut off interacting with someone who was nothing but kind to me because of CL’s report, and I’m reading all of this now in utter turmoil.

-Is it possible that what the anon is saying is true? That Clarabella is real and is CL now saying that it’s possible?
-Could a police report actually exist now, because I thought it was pretty well confirmed that it didn’t and I based my own responses to this whole mess with that knowledge. If there is a police report in existence than it really does change things and I think it would be irresponsible not to acknowledge that it would, regardless of the fallout from it. I’d certainly be willing to take my lumps.
-If the anon is correct and I’m using a big IF here, then how could Msscribe have been responsible for the trolling and sockpuppeting while she was in the hospital post head surgery?

It might be intrusive, but I think it’s important to know whether or not she was hospitalized during this time because in my mind it really does cast some serious doubt as to the whole of CL’s story, especially for those of us who believed in the report.

Regardless, this is all just horrendous.

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[info]tehrin
2006-10-03 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Others can probably answer this more indepth than I can, but I'll give it a shot.

There has been some discussion going on about msscribe possibly basing Clarabella's character on a real person. CL herself has commented that there may have been an auto accident, but several people have combed through the records in the past and turned up with nothing. The only way that can be confirmed is with new information. I don't believe that a police report existed just because there have been others to investigate it in the past and nothings been turned up so far. It's possible, but I highly doubt it.

There are holes in the story that do need filling. Despite wether some of the events msscribe said happened or not, there is still truth to the fact that she did a lot of damage and had numerous sock puppets. Personally, I don't believe in the anon until proved otherwise because of the way they posted information. It discredits him.

I don't think that anything that has been said or any new information will discredit CL in the slightest. It may fill some gaps, but CL has been extremely factual. Everyone makes mistakes and she's no exception. But she is supurb none the less. And I'm sure if there was new information or changes to be made, CL will keep us updated.

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[info]shadwing
2006-10-03 10:47 pm UTC (link)
I'm going to give it a shot as well-

Clarabella- Right now the PI Mouse has given us information that lends weight to Msscribe's claims that she was a real person. However the PI Mouse's information as of right now doesn't match the story Msscribe has been telling about her. So was Clarabella a real "Home Heath Aide"? Possible. Did this Real Clarabella do the things on behalf of Msscribe that she claimed to do? Unknown but I am leaning toward "No." only because I cannot see a medical professional hacking into private email account in order to make a fake stalking to make her employer/client look good online before a bunch of HP BNFs.

The Police Report- This is the most well reseached of all the original items in CL's original report, she has reseached it, two other independant readers have reseached it and even a student of the school where this stalker attended (and later expelled thanks to Msscribe's Legal Efforts) looked into it. All four have discovered the same thing, no stalking insident at the time Msscribe claims, no report, no insident, no notes on behalf of the police, nothing found under Msscribe's real name, married name and maiden name, no student by the name given ever attended that school and no insident of a student being expelled for stalking exists. So if this stalking insident occured...it happened at a different time, a different place, and with a different person doing the stalking and investigated by a different police officer than the one Msscribe herself named when attending Nimbus.

Head Injury- The head injury, according to the original report, happened before she entered the fandom, the insident in the hospital that Clarabella reported was a 'relapse' of sorts occuring some time after the original insident. We do not know the actual severity of this relapse other than Msscribe's claims that she couldn't move one side of her body, and needed assisance to dress herself...this claim was made after she made an LJ entry that she was able to pick up her daugher and do 'light housework' during the same time frame.

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[info]oulangi
2006-10-03 11:03 pm UTC (link)
Even *if* everything the mouse says is true (and I have problems with the account that I will outline), it doesn't actually address what I at least felt was the substance of Charlottes expose. At best Mousie PI is saying that MsScribe was in an accident, that she sued a trucking co., that she may well have had a in house nurse/helper of some kind, and that at some time she may have made money as a back up singer (or at least worked at a recording studio). MsScribe can certainly be forgiving for spinning what sounds like a trapped, mundane existence into something more engaging to read.
However none of this "new" information really does anything to disprove the nut of what Charlotte wrote:
1) that MsScribe created an army of socks to build herself in fandom = yanno, whatever -

2) that those socks posted racist, divisive attacks on friends and enemies alike = Not OK.

3) that she fed the resulting distrust from her manufactured race/religion wars to harass various people or drive them off line - all in the name of fandom domination = Pretty damned not OK.

4) that she was the worst of the Charitygate trolls and went to the journal of a woman *dying of cancer* to berate her for hurting CC/Heidi's feelings - both as herself and as anons = REALLY REALLY fucking not OK.

None of Mousie PI's info contradicts that Scribe did any of this. And that's at best. Frankly, from what I've been reading (and no I have not tried to verify the info myself), people are having trouble verifying the accuracy of *any* of the info supplied.
-- The do note that there is a law firm by the name of the one that the mouse supplied - but cannot find mention of her case.
-- Checking the medical claims would be impossible without grossly violating MsScribes privacy and possibly the law - and personally I'm incredibility creeped out that Mousie PI not only did - but POSTED THE RESULTS with doctor's names and conditions treated, not once but twice.
-- "Clarabella" may have been an evolving character based her nurse, but this also proves she's not a "baby sitter" or a "nanny" as claimed. It certainly does not lend any credibility to Scribes claim that "Clarabelle did it all".

Addition problems I have with Mousie PI
*If this person is what they claim; some kind of investigator who was willing to put their job (and liberty?) on the line to investigate a fan matter they have no connection to? They are fucking crazy. Boundaries are good things - and reposting so much information here proves this person really doesn't understand that. The only person who should have that sort of detail is MsScribe.
*For all the detail about MsScribe's medical condition, Mousie PI was quite coy about it's details about the stalker report. At first, on Heidi's journal, it claims that because Angua and I didn't ask for an incident report just under real first names, we'd missed it. AFTER I we both posted that no, we'd asked for *any* report - and that I specifically asked about first name pairs: Dionne & Evan, Dionne and Louis, etc - Mousie PI claimed there were NO names on the report at all, but that the date was correct. Mousie PI also did not say *how* we/anyone could verify this info ourselves, only that "the key to finding it is almost too easy." This indicates to me that Mousie PI is playing with us, which does nothing to make me believe s/he's not a) Fucking Crazy b) MsScribe c) Both
*IIRC correctly, several people told me that MsScribe admitted she was Pottersginny, fermentojam etc in her trio of swan dives before scurrying to her new secret journal.
*We've seen this kind of defense before ...from MsScribe. A mouse/sock will show up with some insider secret truth that exonerates MsScribe and proves her enemies rilly rilly are out to get her. As the United State's Illustrious Prezidunce Bush once said;
" Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

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[info]sheep
2006-10-04 12:13 am UTC (link)
a) Fucking Crazy b) MsScribe c) Both

Or Heidi :p

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[info]bookbug87
2006-10-04 12:49 am UTC (link)
Funny, I've been wondering the same thing myself. How very convenient for this Mousie PI to show up and distract us, just when Heidi was in the hot seat after Avocado's and Michela's exposés.

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[info]prettyveela
2006-10-04 02:08 am UTC (link)
" Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

*dies*

*votes for you*

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[info]tehrin
2006-10-04 03:30 am UTC (link)
I'm voting you for life, man. In the words of Bill and Ted, that was "excellent" with an air guitar solo.

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GIP?
[info]attilathebun
2006-10-04 12:37 pm UTC (link)
Station's cooler than excellent anyway. :(

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Re: GIP? - [info]tehrin, 2006-10-04 05:12 pm UTC

[info]charlottelennox
2006-10-04 01:28 am UTC (link)
-Is it possible that what the anon is saying is true? That Clarabella is real and is CL now saying that it’s possible?

It is possible that there really was a "Clarabella," yes. However, if this person's story is true, most of what Msscribe and Clarabella said about Clarabella was NOT true.

-Could a police report actually exist now, because I thought it was pretty well confirmed that it didn’t and I based my own responses to this whole mess with that knowledge. If there is a police report in existence than it really does change things and I think it would be irresponsible not to acknowledge that it would, regardless of the fallout from it. I’d certainly be willing to take my lumps.

Like I said, I doubt this very, very much. But if this "incident report" story is somehow true, Msscribe still lied about almost everything having to do with the case and she (or she and Clarabella) were still responsible for Fermatojam. However, there could be a way of looking at the record to argue that Clarabella did all the bad stuff from Msscribe's computer without Msscribe's knowledge. I find that very unlikely, though, especially considering Msscribe's other behavior.

-If the anon is correct and I’m using a big IF here, then how could Msscribe have been responsible for the trolling and sockpuppeting while she was in the hospital post head surgery?

From what I have been able to find, there was NO trolling while Msscribe was in the hospital. After the GT accusation she claimed she was in the hospital at the time of the trolling, but by the dates, she wasn't.

The only sockpuppet (or possible sockpuppet) who posted on March 21 was Clarabella. Fermatojam's activities started after she posted that she was home from the hospital on March 25. He actually appeared on March 26. And Msscribe posted several times while she was in the hospital as well (March 22 and 23), or at least she said she was posting from the hospital. She posted both on her LJ and on Portkey during that time.

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[info]billymasqets
2006-10-04 05:00 am UTC (link)
Like I said, I doubt this very, very much. But if this "incident report" story is somehow true, Msscribe still lied about almost everything having to do with the case and she (or she and Clarabella) were still responsible for Fermatojam.

I think that if the story is true, it makes Msscribe look even worse. She would have used a real criminal's name to smear people online.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-04 10:48 am UTC (link)
I'll inform you of what I've been hearing now. The silence on msscribe's part was because Clarabella came clean to her about Pottersginny after your report and msscibe ended their friendship. Clara's voice post was supposedly more for her than for all of us. You might have heard from Infinitus because Clara contacted her to try to salvage their friendship. Friends urged msscribe to come forward about Clarabella but she refused preferring to play the villan rather than the weakling. There was also some discussion about threats that GT had made to go after Clarabella legally.

Is this true? Who knows, but the hospital records substantiate this story more.

I'm sure my IP is showing, so that probably assures you that msscribe couldn't drive to where I am, but I'll thank you anyway for your response and the lack of flames. :D

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[info]shadwing
2006-10-04 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I guess I am confused here, I thought that Msscribe knew about Clara playing sockpuppeter (the stalker and Pottersginny) before the original CL report came out, when GT published all the IP evidence. Are you saying that she didnt know? Or was not aware? Since GT published the emails that Clara sent them I always assumed Msscribe knew about it since she responded several times to the whole IPGate.

I'm not trying to be accusing, I'm just curious since it looks like we have some facts mixed up.

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(no subject) - [info]dreamworld, 2006-10-04 12:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamworld, 2006-10-04 12:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shadwing, 2006-10-04 12:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrs_bombastic, 2006-10-04 01:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2006-10-04 02:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrs_bombastic, 2006-10-04 02:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-10-04 05:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]narcissam, 2006-10-04 05:03 pm UTC
Yep. Another Lie - [info]narcissam, 2006-10-04 05:47 pm UTC
Re: Yep. Another Lie - [info]breecita, 2006-10-04 06:07 pm UTC
Re: Yep. Another Lie - [info]melyanna, 2006-10-04 06:28 pm UTC
Re: Yep. Another Lie - [info]breecita, 2006-10-04 06:31 pm UTC
Re: Yep. Another Lie - [info]melyanna, 2006-10-04 06:36 pm UTC
Re: Yep. Another Lie - (Anonymous), 2006-10-20 09:13 pm UTC
Acutally, this could be true. - (Anonymous), 2006-10-04 09:16 pm UTC
Actually, you're just inept - [info]princessdot, 2006-10-09 04:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shadwing, 2006-10-04 05:19 pm UTC

[info]narcissam
2006-10-04 04:52 pm UTC (link)
I'll inform you of what I've been hearing now.

I don't believe you are Msscribe. You seem to be a friend of hers, though. Or a friend of her friends. I think she's feeding you another pack of lies, and I hope you don't get bruised the way her other friends did. Remember that she gave [info]ari_o the phone number of a police officer who was retired at the time of the supposed incident. "I swear to God I'm not lying," she said when she gave that phone number. And she was.

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Flame Away! - (Anonymous), 2006-10-04 05:08 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]narcissam, 2006-10-04 05:26 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]shadwing, 2006-10-04 05:28 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]melyanna, 2006-10-04 05:44 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]prettyveela, 2006-10-04 08:05 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - (Anonymous), 2006-10-04 10:32 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]shadwing, 2006-10-04 11:34 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - (Anonymous), 2006-10-04 11:56 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]shadwing, 2006-10-05 12:24 am UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]mrbimble, 2006-10-07 12:43 am UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]melyanna, 2006-10-04 11:52 pm UTC
I'm done already. - (Anonymous), 2006-10-05 12:06 am UTC
Re: I'm done already. - [info]shadwing, 2006-10-05 12:31 am UTC
Re: I'm done already. - [info]prettyveela, 2006-10-05 02:14 am UTC
Re: I'm done already. - [info]eilisliana, 2006-10-05 09:34 pm UTC
Re: I'm done already. - [info]prettyveela, 2006-10-05 09:39 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-10-04 11:47 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - (Anonymous), 2006-10-04 11:51 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]melyanna, 2006-10-04 11:55 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - (Anonymous), 2006-10-04 11:58 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]dreamworld, 2006-10-05 01:11 am UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]platypus, 2006-10-06 02:57 am UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-10-05 12:01 am UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-10-05 12:06 am UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]narcissam, 2006-10-05 05:02 pm UTC
Re: Flame Away! - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-10-06 04:40 am UTC

[info]charlottelennox
2006-10-05 02:17 am UTC (link)
The silence on msscribe's part was because Clarabella came clean to her about Pottersginny after your report and msscibe ended their friendship.

Like I said before, if Clarabella lived with Msscribe you could argue that Clarabella did all the sockpuppeting and trolling without Msscribe's knowledge. Think about that, though... what was her motive? Who benefited from it? Not Clarabella! Clarabella did not become a popular BNF; Msscribe did. Clarabella did not get to make friends with all the people she most admired (remember, she had the same list as Msscribe); Msscribe did. Clarabella was only ever friended by 10-20 people.

The other thing to do is look at Msscribe's actual posts, and see if they make sense if Clarabella did all the bad stuff. Why did Msscribe say all those untruthful things about taking "Louis" to court? Why did she lie about where Clarabella lived and when she met her? HOW did she not notice that "Fermatojam" and "Pottersginny" were trolling her LJ from her own IP? Most of all -- and this would be truly reprensible if she did it -- why did she publicly accuse GT of something she KNEW her own friend/employee did? And then persecute GT with the GT Hidden Room thing, if she knew they were innocent? And then harass them some more as Karma_Bitch and Sporkify, dancing with spiteful glee when their website went down?

Look at some of the lies Msscribe told BEFORE Clarabella was accused of anything:

May 28: He found out my full name, then my home address. I got a package of religious themed books from him. I sent them back. More email. Some apologetic, some nasty. They are all printed out and sitting in a little file at the campus police department where he goes (or went) to school. Why campus police? Because he hacked into my PC, along with about a dozen others from a school computer. Left me about fifty *.txt files, all bible verses on my desktop.

I had him arrested, and my husband (who is an attorney) later dropped the charges on the condition he never contact me again.


Why would she lie like that?


Clara's voice post was supposedly more for her than for all of us. You might have heard from Infinitus because Clara contacted her to try to salvage their friendship.

Infinitus's email to me implied that the only time she had ever talked to Clarabella was when Msscribe was sick in the hospital.


Friends urged msscribe to come forward about Clarabella but she refused preferring to play the villan rather than the weakling.

Or knowing that her explanation couldn't stand up to public scrutiny, but would only work with friends who desperately wanted to believe the best of her.


There was also some discussion about threats that GT had made to go after Clarabella legally.

As far as I know -- and I have copies of all the private emails they exchanged -- this is not true. The only thing GT ever threatened was to publicly post their IP information and to inform FictionAlley of Clarabella's behavior. If you don't believe me, Praetorianguard received copies of some of these emails as well.


I absolutely understand that Msscribe is enormously generous financially, both with her friends and with relative strangers (she hasn't kept that completely quiet ;) ). This is very admirable, and please don't let what I'm about to say detract from that or from your rightful gratitude. However, she seems to be the kind of person who needs a lot of admiration. She likes to be seen as kind, brave, noble, etc. I believe the same need that makes her so generous to those who need money also led her to attack herself with sockpuppets to gain sympathy and admiration.

I can't tell you what to think. I can't decide for you whether her kindness to you and people like you outbalances her unkindness (to put it mildly) to people like the GTers, Sapphsmum, etc. But I do know that she's a proven liar, over and over again, by any interpretation of her story. Knowing that, do you believe what she says now? That's up to you.

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[info]charlottelennox
2006-10-05 02:35 am UTC (link)
Oh, sorry, I just realized that this part...

Most of all -- and this would be truly reprensible if she did it -- why did she publicly accuse GT of something she KNEW her own friend/employee did? And then persecute GT with the GT Hidden Room thing, if she knew they were innocent? And then harass them some more as Karma_Bitch and Sporkify, dancing with spiteful glee when their website went down?

...doesn't apply if Msscribe believed Clarabella innocent way back then.


Ignore that part!

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-10-04 04:17 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to point out the many transformations of Clarabella here.

Clarabella may exist. Question is, which one?

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-04 05:12 pm UTC (link)
*eyeroll*

I suppose she's the only person who has ever lied about their real self online. Yes, that's cause for trial and conviction if I've ever seen it.

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sockpuppet_rat
2006-10-04 06:25 pm UTC (link)
*bangs the Internet Gavel of Great Justice* Okay, let's all come to order, kids!

Mousie, as a PROFESSIONAL SOCKPUPPET, I have to tell you that when you change details about yourself--such as your age, number of children, home-state, career, etc--you generally get yourself a new name when you do it OR you admit that you weren't telling the truth before. 'Clarabella' changed ages, changed careers, dropped out of school (apparently) added children, lost children, worked for Ms. Scribe or didn't know her OMG AT ALL (at the time of signing up at Portkey, from Ms.Scribe's computer).

And seeing as how this was all done AT THE VERY LEAST with the help and knowledge of Ms.Scribe The Sainted Innocent of the Internet...well, I'm throwing your case out of Fandom Court. I have better things to do with the Court's time. Like read porn and look for boobies.

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2006-10-04 11:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2006-10-05 12:00 am UTC

[info]slackerbitch
2006-10-05 12:02 am UTC (link)
Here is my very brief, very abbreviated take on it. Ready?

In CharityWank, the FWank post had to be locked because there were some mice who were being so insanely hideous and callous and insane that it was physically nauseating to the comm at large. This is FW, we don't faint at the sight of blood, and so it means something when I tell you that this is the only wank to ever be flocked for sheer outrageousness.

All those mice had the same IP. The same one that showed up for msscribe when she commented in severely bitchy fashion.

Don't take my word for it. Have some screencaps.

I don't even care if the entire rest of this turns out to be bullshit. (It isn't, but I don't.) The person who said those things is a truly disgusting human being with no sense of basic human decency and someone that I don't ever want to know. Ever.

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[info]slackerbitch
2006-10-05 12:06 am UTC (link)
ETA: you've mentioned elsewhere she was being overzealous in protecting a friend during CharityWank. Which does not excuse the sheer lows she was willing to go to, but let's pretend I believe that for a second.

If she was really OK with what she was saying - didn't think it was contemptible or hideous or downright wrong - why not sign her name? Why log out for those comments, if she's really justified in what she's saying? If they're such lovely comments, why not sign 'em with that handy-dandy account she's using everywhere else?

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[info]shadwing
2006-10-05 01:20 am UTC (link)
May I hand you a big ol' pile of WORD for this?

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-05 01:24 am UTC (link)
Its Fandom Wank. I've posted a comment or to under the anon thing, haven't you? Sometimes I've been pretty nasty. She was also pregnant (I think?) and not sure if you know anything about that but it's called hormonal rage. It happens.

None of this matters anyway, she is barely online anymore and likely won't ever respond to this. I'm bored so here I am. Do I really care if she apologizes? Not really. She never scammed anyone out of money, got them fired, wrote up half-truthful expose's on GT.

I agree with jlh, who, incidentally, isn't a sockpuppet.

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(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2006-10-05 02:11 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-10-05 02:19 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-10-05 02:21 am UTC
(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2006-10-05 04:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2006-10-05 02:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missdaisy, 2006-10-06 01:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2006-10-06 02:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]charlottelennox, 2006-10-05 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhiannonmr, 2006-10-05 03:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]huehau, 2006-10-05 04:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 04:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]narcissam, 2006-10-05 05:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 10:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]naienko, 2006-10-06 04:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2006-10-05 08:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhiannonmr, 2006-10-05 08:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamworld, 2006-10-05 12:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhiannonmr, 2006-10-05 01:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-10-05 02:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2006-10-05 09:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-10-05 02:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-10-05 03:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2006-10-05 03:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 10:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2006-10-05 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 10:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrs_bombastic, 2006-10-05 03:55 pm UTC
Heidi Patrol. How charming. - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-10-05 04:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhiannonmr, 2006-10-05 04:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2006-10-05 04:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2006-10-05 04:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]baranduyn, 2006-10-05 04:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_wanlorn, 2006-10-05 05:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]princessdot, 2006-10-05 05:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]azazello, 2006-10-05 06:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]baranduyn, 2006-10-05 06:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2006-10-05 08:24 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rhiannonmr, 2006-10-05 06:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kvader, 2006-10-05 06:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vampychick, 2006-10-27 07:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2006-10-05 06:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 10:12 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-10-05 07:03 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2006-10-07 07:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]emiweebee, 2006-10-05 07:15 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]emiweebee, 2006-10-09 03:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2006-10-09 11:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-10-07 01:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]emiweebee, 2006-10-09 03:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 09:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 10:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]major_dallas, 2006-10-06 12:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-10-05 10:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]platypus, 2006-10-05 10:44 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2006-10-06 12:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jetamors, 2006-10-06 01:20 am UTC
Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - (Anonymous), 2006-10-06 01:46 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - [info]jetamors, 2006-10-06 01:49 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - [info]shadwing, 2006-10-06 02:00 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - (Anonymous), 2006-10-06 02:00 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - [info]jetamors, 2006-10-06 02:02 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - [info]breecita, 2006-10-06 02:54 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - [info]missdaisy, 2006-10-06 04:37 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - [info]breecita, 2006-10-06 07:05 pm UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - [info]tehrin, 2006-10-07 04:21 am UTC
Re: Psst, ITS HEIDI TANDY - (Anonymous), 2006-10-06 03:48 am UTC
Psss, it's the same mouse - [info]princessdot, 2006-10-09 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-10-06 02:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]monsley, 2006-10-06 05:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]attilathebun, 2006-10-06 05:27 pm UTC
An open letter to Heidi (or friend) - [info]major_fischer, 2006-10-06 06:05 pm UTC
Re: An open letter to Heidi (or friend) - [info]tehrin, 2006-10-06 06:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamworld, 2006-10-06 08:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-10-07 01:48 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]platypus, 2006-10-06 03:03 am UTC
Oh h0rmoans of rage - [info]princessdot, 2006-10-09 03:57 am UTC
Re: Oh h0rmoans of rage - (Anonymous), 2006-10-13 03:07 am UTC
Re: Oh h0rmoans of rage - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-10-13 03:25 am UTC
Re: Oh h0rmoans of rage - [info]princessdot, 2006-10-13 03:32 am UTC
Re: Oh h0rmoans of rage - (Anonymous), 2006-10-13 04:04 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-10-05 09:23 pm UTC (link)
have you seen this: http://www.heiditandy.com/

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Have you seen my little dawg? - [info]princessdot, 2006-10-09 05:06 am UTC
So how's the tea in China?
[info]princessdot
2006-10-09 03:41 am UTC (link)
202.96.17.218

So who are you again? And did you know that you can, indeed, post from Disney cruises as they do not block JournalFen?

Alas,IP anonymizers ain't what they used to be.

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