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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]bad_penny,
@ 2006-06-21 12:07:00
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Current mood:Frivolous

Ponderings on "Pawn to Queen"
The Pawn to Queen wank is one of my very favorites, one I go reread every so often when bored and in search of distraction.

During a recent re-perusal (is that a word?), something struck me:

Did strega!Blaise remind anyone else of Ariane Emory turned fangirl-Mary Sue?

Did any Cherryh fans not like the Caitlin/Florian rips-offs, and say so?

And -- where was the outrage over Snape having a dinky dick? C'mon, there had to be some!

ETA: Please don't comment on the original wank. While I wouldn't mind replies showing up in my inbox nearly three years on, , I'm not sure the wank-reporter ([info]mrsparkle) or any of the other commentators would.


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[info]waltraute
2006-06-21 04:31 pm UTC (link)
I remember the general WTF???? over the 30-something page sex scene, myself.

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[info]figgy
2006-06-21 05:02 pm UTC (link)
... thirty something page sex scene?

Someone wasn't doing something right.

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-06-21 05:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]figgy, 2006-06-21 05:18 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]azazello, 2006-06-21 05:56 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-06-22 05:13 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-22 06:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]azazello, 2006-06-22 06:20 am UTC

[info]eilan
2006-06-21 07:17 pm UTC (link)
30 pages? I think I need to reread it now...

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(no subject) - [info]prettypinkkitty, 2006-06-21 10:41 pm UTC
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[info]white_serpent
2006-06-21 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Did strega!Blaise remind anyone else of Ariane Emory turned fangirl-Mary Sue?

Yes, because that's exactly what she is.

I emailed Riley at the time about mapping characters in HP onto Cyteen. She sent me four lengthy emails as a defense. I know I mention that a lot, but I still boggle at it. They all said the same thing in slightly different ways.

I don't know how much you'd see on the WIKTT list, though.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-06-21 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Ahhhh! I was right.

It'd be one thing to use Ariane as a blueprint for an HP OC,making adjustments to suit the world.

Shit. Ariane would have been a meaner, leaner, Umbridge.

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(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2006-06-21 05:02 pm UTC
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[info]mindset
2006-06-21 04:45 pm UTC (link)
The wiki entry is full of beautiful links. I'm sure following those should give lots of info. But I definitely wouldn't mind hearing from the people who were there. :)

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-06-21 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Eh, I'm all linked out at the moment. I shall be lazy, and wait for the entertainment to come to me. :D

I was on WIKTT -- still am, maybe? no, I unsubbed -- but quit even pretending to skim the emails as soon as I realized that it had turned into a cheering squad for each member's romance-novel plot.

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[info]miss_eponine
2006-06-21 05:31 pm UTC (link)
The wiki's been down forever. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

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[info]lulinda
2006-06-21 05:42 pm UTC (link)
ROLLERSKATING SNAKE

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-06-21 05:48 pm UTC (link)
Oh, god, yes.

Hermione doesn't strike me as the type to rollerskate, period. Weren't inline skates the in-thing back then, anyway? Do they even make old-fashioned rollerskates anymore? I'm trying to imagine the feather-boa on inlines and...no. Just -- no.

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(no subject) - [info]lulinda, 2006-06-21 05:53 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]persephone_kore, 2006-06-21 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhiannonmr, 2006-06-22 02:50 am UTC
Even more than talking poo - [info]darkrose, 2006-06-22 05:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]azazello, 2006-06-21 05:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]exdee, 2006-06-21 10:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2006-06-22 12:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]exdee, 2006-06-22 01:03 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]azazello, 2006-06-21 08:53 pm UTC
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[info]narcissam
2006-06-21 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I really need to go look and see if there were reactions to the rollerskating snake when it was introduced.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-06-21 07:34 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-06-21 06:55 pm UTC (link)
Reading over the greatesthits entry makes me wonder if Msscribe's tentacles extended there too--because now I am paranoid. This gotsnape person? The siegfriedwanks poster in the comments? Who knows?

I would love to read more on PtQ since much of what I've read so far only scratches the surface.

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[info]tunxeh
2006-06-21 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Did any Cherryh fans not like the Caitlin/Florian rips-offs, and say so?

I am a Cherryh fan. I am very much not a Snape/Hermione fan. I'm not getting near enough to that thing to even notice any kind of rip-off.

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[info]meril
2006-06-21 07:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm more pissed that her crap fic put me off Cherryh until three separate male sf fans recced her novels to me.

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[info]janegraddell
2006-06-21 08:14 pm UTC (link)
And -- where was the outrage over Snape having a dinky dick? C'mon, there had to be some!

I had to go back and check, but to my surprise (which I probably shouldn't have been, considering) about 90% of the discussion of Chapter 30 on WIKTT was about the introduction and not the story. There was one long thread on The Ethics of Reviewing (and, damn, I'd forgotten all about my own tl;dr contributions), plus a post from Susanne/Pigwidgeon titled A Lesson in Power.

The "Ethics" thread was mostly divided between those who were worrying and hand-wringing about Riley's fans daring to post so much about her story that it forced her to make herself ill answering her mail, and those who felt that using Riley (or, you know, anyone who was dumb enough to make themselves ill answering e-mail) as a standard for judging author behavior was kind of short-sighted. It never got really heated, and I didn't see anyone mention Snape's penis. More's the pity.

Other than that, it was pretty much crickets chirping and tumbleweeds. I also checked the Snapefic Liberation Front archives, and they were too busy having a flamewar involving gotsnape and Julia to bother noticing that Riley had updated. Dark Sarcasm was likewise full of uncaring.

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[info]white_serpent
2006-06-21 08:50 pm UTC (link)
Here's what I said on Darkrosetiger's journal at the time the sex scene came out. (My anon comments are immediately recognizable to me.)

...And that's pretty much my reaction to the sex scene. "My God! Get with it already!" I think I was too busy being bored to death and rolling my eyes at the note to be outraged about anything.

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(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2006-06-22 12:00 am UTC
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[info]franzeska
2006-06-21 09:02 pm UTC (link)
I don't remember size wank, but I do recall some sort of discussion (there?) of size and body hair vs. Hermione's level of sexual trauma.

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[info]khym_chanur
2006-06-21 10:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm a Cherryh fan, but was never able to really get into Cyteen. Maybe I should give it another try.

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Hey, <lj user="barbariansheep">!
[info]pyratejenni
2006-06-21 10:51 pm UTC (link)
The book was C. J. Cherryh's Cyteen. Riley loved Cherryh, and this book, and thought it and HP (and Ayn Rand) would mix well.

Needless to say, it didn't work.

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Re: Hey, <lj user="barbariansheep">! - [info]exdee, 2006-06-21 10:53 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-06-22 01:00 am UTC (link)
Oh lord, I remember being on Snapefans when Riley joined and started posting. I remember following PtQ for about three chapters before my head a-splode. I think it was, as many have said, the rollerskating snake that was the last straw. And weren't Snape's chambers supposed to be some superposh silk-and-velvet-and-marble monstrosity (in Slytherin green, of course)? Or is that some other badfic I'm thinking of?

However, I did follow mctabby's PtQ cliffnotes version for many chapters after -- that was funny stuff.

lydaclunas on LJ

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(no subject) - [info]squib, 2006-06-22 04:24 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-06-22 02:06 am UTC (link)
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/212917.html?thread=9391029#t9391029

That's the only outrage I saw. Sorry.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-22 02:25 am UTC (link)
Oh, Christ on a cracker. I remember reading Snape/Hermione fic *way* *back* *when* when I was into HP. The ship was positively swamped with pseudo-intellectual, allegedly feminist tripe, leaning heavily on 1003 allusions to other (better) writers, obscure female Russian Constructivist artists, 20th century composers, etc. etc. ETC. in place of--y'know--*good writing*. Hermione invariably was turned into the nerd grrl's Mary Sue; Snape into the ideal feminist man, every character in the book other than Hermione and Snape was forgotten in favor of dozens of irritating OC's (or, at least, Harry and Ron invariably were forgotten/mocked/bastardized/turned into Hermione's own personal Crabbe and Goyle--'cause they're *far* too *unintellectual* for our new Miss Philosopher Princess to even scrape off the sole of her shoe, natch--and screw friendship! Think of the master race er, *meritocracy*!). . .

Love the pairing. But, HOLY SHIT, the tedious preening crapfic it spawned. . .

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-22 11:55 am UTC (link)
Is it really bad that I am craving to find a link to the "Strega of Borg" Non-Authorized Parody Wank? That just sounds too funny.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-22 12:21 pm UTC (link)
"Did strega!Blaise remind anyone else of Ariane Emory turned fangirl-Mary Sue?"

Worse - I misread strega as stega, which inevitably led to my mind thinking "Stegosaurus".

So now every time I read parts of the fic, I am mentally pitching Blaise and her komrades as talking Stegosauruses. In school uniforms. And boy, does _that_ make the smutty scenes more interesting.

- Charles RB

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(no subject) - [info]willywanka, 2006-06-22 04:28 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-06-23 08:23 pm UTC (link)
"this wank was absolutely marvelous!" - riley.

(oh god, the 30 pages of lame-o sex. oh GOD.)

.quasiradiant

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