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	nicolae 2006-06-25 11:50 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sorry, I'm seeing similarities between the two, but not clearcut theft. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	supergrover24 2006-06-25 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	Same here. And really, similarities between GWTW and most romance novels abound. I really have to re-read GWTW. Haven't done that in a while. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tehrin 2006-06-26 12:08 am UTC (link)
	Yes. If she got the inspiration from Gone with the Wind, its modified enough to be different. :\ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	khym_chanur 2006-06-26 12:09 am UTC (link)
	Ah. I thought it was just me, t hat since everyone else seemed to see it so that I must be a literary dullard. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jaina 2006-06-26 12:14 am UTC (link)
	When I first read that sentence, I thought, "Hey, that sounds like that bit in GWTW," but then I saw someone posted the real sentence and it wasn't as close as I originally thought. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ticca 2006-06-26 12:26 am UTC (link)
	Even if it was "theft", I don't think that it'd be that big a deal - imo the opening lines of GWtW are up there with "It is a truth universally acknowledged..." and "All happy families are alike..." They're all incredibly famous first lines of incredibly famous novels and it's not unheard of to twist them for dramatic (or comedic) effect in writing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	emiweebee 2006-06-26 03:35 am UTC (link)
	That doesn't seem to be an issue with publishers, though. The Harvard girl with the two books? Some of the passages were a little vague, but there was still enough to pull her contract. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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Achtung, children

pyratejenni
2006-06-26 12:16 am UTC (link)

Yeah. Describing two characters with a combination of unusual facial features that make them look especially good in vaguely similar terms is not plagiarism.

Which brings me to my next point.

If you're going to add new info to an old wank report, you need documentation, as per the rules:

3. Documentation, people. Links, screenshots, whatever. "Did you hear what Suzie Sexpert told Poppy Z Brite? I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you!" won't cut it.

On top of that, the documentation has to be accurate. I don't think it's similar enough to plagiarism. Inspired by, maybe, but it also sounds like standard "he shouldn't look good, but he does!" description from romance novels.

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	rotten_fish 2006-06-26 12:22 am UTC (link)
	Close enough for me. Of course, it's easier to say so when this is kind of a thing with CC. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	esclaramonde 2006-06-26 12:57 am UTC (link)
	Yeah - I wouldn't call it plagiarism, but I do think she used the GWtW sentence(s) as a base. And I know people said above that lots of people riff off of popular and well-known things like that, but that wasn't a riff, it was a shortcut. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mauralabingi 2006-06-26 12:26 am UTC (link)
	It's not even really a paraphrase, much less plagiarism. She gets a pass on this one. But oh, God, the woman can make even Weasleycest smut into a pretentious borefest. Who gave her the idea that avoiding contractions makes porn sound classier? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	nicolae 2006-06-26 12:31 am UTC (link)
	I like contractions and run-on sentences in my porn, it makes it feel as thought everything's happening really fast and I can't catch up. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	notmonkey 2006-06-26 12:40 am UTC (link)
	Who gave her the idea that avoiding contractions makes porn sound classier? The same person who told her that present tense narrative gives your writing a world-weary edge of stylish ennui? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	spleen 2006-06-26 01:41 pm UTC (link)
	I'm just boggled that someone would go to great lengths to write "classy porn". Because, yawn. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-06-26 01:21 am UTC (link)
	I read the first page of the Very Secret Diaries, and boy does that remind of of Bridget Jones... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rotten_fish 2006-06-26 01:42 am UTC (link)
	Except that with VSD, she said that they were modeled after BJD. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-06-26 01:28 am UTC (link)
	I don't see clear-cut plagiarism, but I do see shitty pr0n. (Reply to this)

	bunny 2006-06-26 02:19 am UTC (link)
	I bet someone at her publishing company is really thrilled right now. (Reply to this)

I'd say her novel is more plagiarific
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2006-06-26 02:35 am UTC (link)

Eh, so she uses emphasizes the black lashes on green eyes. Not up to her usual plagiaristic standards. Her book, on the other hand.... From the description on her website of her upcoming novel: (http://www.cassandraclare.com/) Soon Clary is introduced to the world of Darkhunters, a secret cadre of warriors dedicated to ridding our world of demons.

A crappy (but quite successful) author named Sherrilyn Kenyon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312984839/ref=pd_rvi_gw_1/104-2626156-3971144?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155) has a series of books about "Dark-Hunters," which if I recall correctly is yes, a cadre of warriors dedicated to ridding our world of demons.

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	Re: I'd say her novel is more plagiarific (Anonymous) 2006-06-26 02:55 am UTC (link)
	I'd give benefit of the doubt on similarities between Sherrilyn Kenyon and Clare because Rowlings borrowed the boarding school for wizards cliche from a number of more capable writers. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: I'd say her novel is more plagiarific evilsqueakers 2006-06-26 03:41 am UTC (link)
	Oh, god. She's borrowing ideas from Kenyon...why?! I read on hers, Fantasy Lover or something, and blech. It was just bad...then again, it would fit the rest of CC's work, so that might make sense. Also, her whole book premise reminds me a lot of Buffy, too. Really rather appropriate, isn't it? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	azazello 2006-06-26 05:51 am UTC (link)
	From the Very Secret Diaries of Cassandra Claire: Still not original. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	narcissam 2006-06-26 06:19 am UTC (link)
	For once, it is 'inspired' not taken wholesale. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2006-06-26 09:41 am UTC (link)
	http://sockpuppetry.greatestjournal.com/ (Reply to this)

	mauralabingi 2006-06-27 03:25 am UTC (link)
	Whoops, looks like whereisthehate got spanked. (Reply to this)