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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]bad_penny,
@ 2006-08-05 23:58:00
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Current mood: aggravated

PSA
Remember the rules, folks?

Especially #7?

7. Trolling people is bad. Don't do that, guys. If you're not involved, just sit back and watch. If you belong to a community, or are already involved, and you'd be commenting anyway, that's one thing. Commenting and going "Nyeah-nyeah, I saw yoooouuuuuuu on bad_penny!" will result in the Shameless Clown loading up the ban_set user command again.

For the purpose of the current round of posts, and any that may come after related to it, "no trolling" applies to contacting Ms. Clare's publisher.

If you have an account and announce you're doing this, you will be banned. If an anonymouse posts, anonymous commenting will be turned off.

As usual, this is the only warning.


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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2006-08-06 04:18 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry, what? Seriously, what the fuck? You have got to be kidding.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-08-06 04:34 am UTC (link)
You have got to be kidding.

No, I'm not.

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[info]telesilla
2006-08-06 04:21 am UTC (link)
How is contacting her publisher trolling?

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[info]herongale
2006-08-06 04:30 am UTC (link)
I think it's the talking/bragging about it, in this case.

If people are so worked up over Cassandra Claire's potential crimes IRL and feel the need to contact her publishers, there is little that the moderators at [info]bad_penny can do. But when those self-same people link back here with information about their actions, it sure as hell looks more like they were doing this shit in order to get praise and lulz instead of out of whatever principle they claim to be percolating on. It really looks like trolling when people seem to be angling their outrage in such a way as to get congratulatory back-slaps from the fandom wankas. It's silly.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-08-06 04:38 am UTC (link)
That, too.

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[info]telesilla
2006-08-06 04:44 am UTC (link)
Bragging about it is tacky and I'm with you all in thinking that people are jerks for doing so. It's NOT trolling.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-08-06 04:33 am UTC (link)
The same way reporting a fan's fannish plagiarism to her college just in case she was plagiarizing in her academic career was, yea many months back. The recounting of CC's plagiarism in fandomis being recounted here. For what it's worth, it's my understanding there's an investigation into plagiarism in CC's professional work underway. I can't document it, because it was a phone call.

There's already been one anonymous announcement of an intent to contact Simon & Schuster about the DT, and follow-through on that intent. (The thread's been screened.) I don't doubt others already have.





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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2006-08-06 04:42 am UTC (link)
Except that here there appears to be legitimate concerns that the story in her novel is similar to and uses the same terms as someone else's novels. That's not just reporting her fandom plagiarism "just in case" there's something fishy in her novel as well.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-08-06 04:47 am UTC (link)
Yes, and that's what I'm talking about with regard to my phone call. That is being looked into.

But that's not stuff from the fandom, which is being written up here.

lj user="herongale"> also brought up a good point.

And finally, I look at this way: people will bitch no matter what I do, if I don't call "no trolling" or if I don't. So I'm making things a little easier for me.

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(no subject) - [info]mistal, 2006-08-06 04:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-08-06 05:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistal, 2006-08-06 05:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2006-08-06 05:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-08-07 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-06 06:21 am UTC

[info]herongale
2006-08-06 04:50 am UTC (link)
I have to wonder about the "legitimate concerns" of people who didn't even know about this story until it started getting published her in bad_penny. This is, after all, old news. If people didn't care enough before all this started to write to Simon and Schuester, surely they should not be rushing into doing it now?

Why these people don't wait a few weeks, looking into this from other sources and see for themselves if there is a professional reason to be concerned, before jotting off accusing letters to a publisher, is totally beyond me. I mean, this is not just a fandom thing. This is a real person we are talking about. I dislike CC as much as anyone, but I think that if someone is going to make real-life accusations against her, it should be out of a more than passing-interest in some story told about her on a Journalfen comm.

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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 04:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scarah2, 2006-08-06 04:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 05:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scarah2, 2006-08-06 05:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2006-08-06 05:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scarah2, 2006-08-06 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2006-08-06 05:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scarah2, 2006-08-06 05:47 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-06 06:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scarah2, 2006-08-06 06:32 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-06 06:35 am UTC
(no subject) - jenova, 2006-08-06 06:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wanktastic, 2006-08-06 06:40 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-06 07:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]libel, 2006-08-06 03:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2006-08-06 05:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 05:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2006-08-06 05:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 05:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-08-06 05:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 06:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-08-06 06:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 06:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-08-06 06:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2006-08-06 05:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 06:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2006-08-06 06:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 06:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2006-08-06 06:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-08-06 06:09 am UTC

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[info]darkrose
2006-08-06 04:59 am UTC (link)
The same way reporting a fan's fannish plagiarism to her college just in case she was plagiarizing in her academic career was, yea many months back.

Sorry, but I think that was perfectly legitimate. The person being plagiarized is the one who reported it, for one thing. Further, the plagiarist wasn't just stealing fic--she was copying actual journal posts about someone else's personal life and passing them off as her own. That's not just plagiarizing; that's getting real close to stalking, and I think the person had ever right to report it.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-08-06 05:05 am UTC (link)
The instance I'm thinking of was plagiarism wank, someone tracked down where the kid went to school, and was going on about contacting her college -- about a year or so ago. The instance you're talking about, if it's the one I believe, happened more recently.

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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-08-06 05:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-08-06 05:28 am UTC

[info]rhiannonmr
2006-08-06 04:36 am UTC (link)
Honestly if I were gonna go and write CC's publisher, I'd not be announcing that here. I probably won't contact the publisher, others have already done so. My voting against her having a pro writing career will be strictly economic; not one thin dime of my money will ever be spent on a CC authored book. Easy peasy for my lazy self to pass her up in a bookstore.

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[info]rhiannonmr
2006-08-06 04:37 am UTC (link)
Also I am too damned lazy to contact a publisher under my fandom name.

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[info]crevette
2006-08-08 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Neither am I.

That said, I am very very tempted to make up cute little bookmarks and stick them in each of Cassie's books (when and if they come out)--saying that if they really want to read something good, go buy something of Pamela Dean instead of encouraging the type of morally ambigious behavior(OMG STEALING!!) that Cassie seems to promote.

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[info]emiweebee
2006-08-06 05:29 am UTC (link)
...I don't understand why this is an issue/subject people assume is up for debate. *eyes upper thread*

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[info]scarah2
2006-08-06 05:35 am UTC (link)
We maybe should have gone to fandom_discuss. But I guess... comments were turned on? Sorry. Tissue.

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[info]emiweebee
2006-08-06 05:41 am UTC (link)
Well, I mean...I guess fandom_discuss, but for me, 1) A mod - actually, the com owner/creator - says no, so it means no. And 2) Are you kidding me? Informing CC's publisher of something they've probably already looked into/are looking into/will look into, if that Harvard student's story is to be followed, is somehow not trolling?

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[info]scarah2
2006-08-06 05:49 am UTC (link)
I am in no way disputing the mod's position/decision. What I'm posting about should be fandom_discuss, probably.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2006-08-06 06:48 am UTC (link)
fandom_discuss is for fandom_wank comms. Unrelated.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-08-06 07:02 am UTC (link)
News to me.

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-08-06 07:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-08-06 07:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-08-06 08:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-08-07 03:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-08-07 04:11 am UTC

[info]pyratejenni
2006-08-06 06:57 am UTC (link)
I own that one, too.

What did you want to post?

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(no subject) - [info]scarah2, 2006-08-06 06:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-08-06 07:03 am UTC
(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-08-07 06:36 am UTC

sharonapple
2006-08-06 06:03 am UTC (link)
Eh, I made an account at the Simon Schuster BBS out of curiousity after seeing the anon post, but I didn't post anything on or related to CC- that's all fine and good right? *just double-checking*

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[info]azazello
2006-08-06 11:07 am UTC (link)
I don't see what the problem is. The distinction is fine but important:

b_p is not telling people what to do off the playground.

However, if people do X, Y or Z, outside the playground, b_p does not wish to know about it.

In much the same way as f_w got tired of certain TMI posts from a now "departed" wanker.

b_p is posting a serial post about an important piece of fandom history, for discussion of that post. It is not, despite what certain loonies are and will no doubt continue to say, conducting a witch hunt out to ruin Ms Clare.

she's done a perfectly good job of that by herself with a little (lot of) help from her friends

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[info]sashenka
2006-08-06 09:03 pm UTC (link)
How is anyone not directly involved not TOO LAZY to do aything about it? Does it make me angry? Yes, but I have other things in my life that actually effect me and matter. As bored as I get, I don't think I'll ever be that bored...

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