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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]clairvoyantwank,
@ 2006-08-08 08:08:00
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Entry tags:fandom: harry potter, slash/yaoi

This just in: HP fen are weird :(
For those of you who missed it, there's an unflattering article about slashers and adult Harry Potter fen in the Guardian. Oh, and it also mentions some people's full names.
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dracothelizard
2006-08-08 12:29 pm UTC (link)
"It's empowering. We are reversing the gender roles. We are saying we like porn: deal with it"

Eeeh, I don't like it when slashers say that like it goes for all slashers everywhere. Yes, I like the smut, but I don't see reading or writing as empowering! I see it as a bit of fun!

"It's the first time that women have ever dominated fandom in this way, and so of course it's all about doing extra homework and making sure your uniform is nicely pressed."

...The writer hasn't been to a lot of other cons, has she?

"Or Star Trek for girls."

Because, y'know, only men like sci-fi!

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(no subject) - [info]the_reda, 2006-09-25 04:19 am UTC

[info]carlanime
2006-08-08 12:45 pm UTC (link)
It's been billed as 'a chance to sample British food' and there's a rumour that it's 'something called shepherd's pie'.

That may be the funniest sentence ever written. I'm just praying that was one of the true bits, and not something she made up for effect.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2006-08-08 12:59 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2006-08-08 06:28 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]polemic, 2006-08-09 01:02 pm UTC
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(no subject) - vomitymcpuke, 2006-08-09 08:34 pm UTC

[info]spleen
2006-08-08 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Oh yes, I think, JK Rowling and the Complex Trope of Female Delusion.

Oh, snap. Except where it's, y'know, not.

Otherwise... I always enjoy reading someone's description on what it's like to be completely befuddled for a whole weekend. Poor innocent reporter. So full of curiosity, fear-covered-in-disdain, and incomprehension.

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[info]squeakytoy
2006-08-08 12:57 pm UTC (link)
I'll probably get jumped on for this, but I find that article hilarious reading as much for the author of the article in her little snobbish superiority complex as for the descriptions of the fans.

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(no subject) - [info]spleen, 2006-08-08 01:07 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]dez_chan, 2006-08-09 03:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fernwithy, 2006-08-09 03:47 pm UTC

[info]polemic
2006-08-08 01:23 pm UTC (link)
Or Star Trek for girls.
Interest in anything the author has to say slipping..

They just seem like perfectly nice, educated, middle-class women.
Slipping...

But then, there's something so very female about this. It's the first time that women have ever dominated fandom in this way, and so of course it's all about doing extra homework and making sure your uniform is nicely pressed.
Gone.

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(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-08-08 01:39 pm UTC
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[info]seiberwing
2006-08-08 01:28 pm UTC (link)
I think this deserved a nice group *headdesk*.

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[info]purplepopple
2006-08-08 01:37 pm UTC (link)
*slap slap slappity slaps the author for his ignorance of Star Trek history* DO YOUR RESEARCH MR AUTHOR MAN!

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2006-08-08 01:39 pm UTC
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[info]chikane
2006-08-08 01:45 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. Take any group of people that has a shared interest and gathers somewhere.
Send someone who neither has a clue, nor cares for the subject. You will, without fail, get an article like this. Pretty uninformed, unintentionally funny at parts, and of course the group with their shared interest will be ridiculed because "they are so weird". This works with every single group. A gathering of a political party, a gathering of football(soccer for you americans) fans, Potter fans, participants in carnival in Rio, or a group of geopgraphy students, dog-owning-people, you name it.

Hardly surprising the report came out that way. I'm not even a Potter fan, and even I knew how the article would go before I read it.

The difference? Some of these weird groups, like football fans, are "okay". There, you send people who care, and who then will report how great the spirit is or whatever. But something that isn't mainstream? Why bother sending people who even read the books? Most people won't get it anyway, so just ridicule. And thus you get such reports. Quite silly.

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(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2006-08-08 05:03 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]antigone, 2006-08-08 07:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2006-08-08 09:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - coreopsis, 2006-08-08 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]scootermcgaffin, 2006-08-08 11:30 pm UTC
Word - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 11:02 am UTC

[info]bronzed
2006-08-08 01:50 pm UTC (link)
"There's a group of teenage boys from the website, Mugglenet, who appear to think that they're in a boy band."

I lol'd!

"...one female Harry Potter refuses to answer my questions on the grounds that 'the British press lack ethics and principles'. "
Having read this article, I think she was close. It's more like they just have no clue.

"if it was 200 men talking about rape narratives involving underage schoolchildren, it would be a matter for the police, and I don't think this is empowering anybody. "
I hate to say it, but she has a good point here about the Hermoine/Snape thing.

I want the last 5 minutes of my life back.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-08 06:56 pm UTC
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Actually... - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 11:09 am UTC
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[info]life_on_mars
2006-08-08 02:00 pm UTC (link)
The really piss-offing part is that she was paid to go to the con and had all her expenses paid too. Just to trash it. I can't help thinking that money could've been better spent somehow.

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-08-08 05:52 pm UTC

[info]sepiamagpie
2006-08-08 02:19 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I want to know more about this girls not interested in Star Trek thing. If she's right, my prayers have been answered and my sister really is a figment of my imagination.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2006-08-08 02:24 pm UTC
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[info]esclaramonde
2006-08-08 02:36 pm UTC (link)
On the one hand, I'm annoyed by her superior tone and everything.

On the other, I'm glad she didn't go on about "OMG adults caring about who ends up with Harry Potter".

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(no subject) - [info]thecheese, 2006-08-08 05:17 pm UTC

[info]kadath
2006-08-08 02:44 pm UTC (link)
A concept that I'd always thought of as one of those minority tastes like quantum physics for children. Or Star Trek for girls.

The first convention I ever went to was a Star Trek convention. I was 8? 9? I begged and begged and begged my Dad to take me until he finally gave in.

A few years thereafter, I read my first book on quantum physics.

...I think my point is that this author is a very tiresome human being.

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(no subject) - [info]redcoast, 2006-08-10 08:00 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]redcoast, 2006-08-10 08:05 pm UTC
What tickles me.... - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 11:16 am UTC

[info]drakyndra
2006-08-08 03:01 pm UTC (link)
Parts of that article greatly amused me, and parts made me want to seriously headdesk.

So I shall cope by... not reacting at all.

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[info]yattara
2006-08-08 03:21 pm UTC (link)
*thunk.*

'They just seem like perfectly nice, educated, middle-class women. Who write homoerotic fiction about wizards.'

Because nice women don't write pr0n.

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2006-08-08 07:48 pm UTC
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OK... - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 11:25 am UTC

[info]the_wanlorn
2006-08-08 03:31 pm UTC (link)
'Nuh-huh,' says one. 'There it's all about the merchandising and maybe, you know, you get to meet William Shatner. It's not about wearing a cape and going to lectures.'

Hahahahaha what! So. Not. True!

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(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2006-08-08 05:04 pm UTC
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[info]sashenka
2006-08-08 03:51 pm UTC (link)
'It's just great to be able to talk to other people about Harry Potter,' says the first one, Lisa. I nod my head earnestly. 'Particularly,' she says, 'Harry Potter porn.'

1) No, Lisa, NO! Stop it, you dumb bitch. This is her fault!

2) I now want to read the essays on Winnie the Pooh he mentioned.

3) I had to look up the word 'decathest'.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2006-08-08 03:55 pm UTC
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Of course! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 11:28 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2006-08-10 01:55 am UTC
Bingo!
[info]prettyveela
2006-08-08 03:55 pm UTC (link)
I do Snape and Harry. And Snape/ Lockhart. There are female characters in Harry Potter but they're just not very interesting. Ginny 's like the popular girl at school who picked on us, and Hermione is just annoying.


Snacky Law has hit the media! Woot!

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Re: Bingo! - [info]llama_treats, 2006-08-08 03:56 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]yattara, 2006-08-08 04:00 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]sashenka, 2006-08-08 04:53 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]peachespig, 2006-08-08 05:26 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]sashenka, 2006-08-08 05:59 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]peachespig, 2006-08-08 06:11 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-08 06:43 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]llama_treats, 2006-08-08 06:47 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]antigone, 2006-08-08 08:01 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]seiberwing, 2006-08-09 02:26 am UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-08-08 09:01 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-08-08 08:42 pm UTC
Re: Bingo! - [info]red_eft, 2006-08-09 06:30 am UTC
Re: Bingo! - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 11:34 am UTC

[info]smit
2006-08-08 04:02 pm UTC (link)
There are female characters in Harry Potter but they're just not very interesting. Ginny 's like the popular girl at school who picked on us

Ahaha!

Snacky's Law = Slasher raison d'etre.

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(no subject) - [info]smit, 2006-08-08 04:05 pm UTC

[info]gloria_mundi
2006-08-08 04:15 pm UTC (link)
'Harry Potter gay porn,' she corrects me. 'We write it. It's called slash fi ction. You take the characters and you imagine them in diff erent scenarios. There's het fiction too, where they think the characters are straight. Whereas we assume that everyone is bisexual until proven otherwise.'

. . .

I . . . WHAT THE FUCK?

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2006-08-08 04:52 pm UTC
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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-08 07:11 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2006-08-08 11:12 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]redcoast, 2006-08-10 08:07 pm UTC
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[info]gweniveeve
2006-08-08 05:08 pm UTC (link)
I love how she brings all her bias to the yard.

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[info]mmanurere
2006-08-08 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Am I wrong to be somewhat irritated that she couldn't be bothered to show up for my lecture?

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(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-08-08 09:03 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-08-09 03:38 am UTC

iwanttobeasleep
2006-08-08 05:59 pm UTC (link)
This article switches between being incredibly judgemental to being incredibly boring. A little bit more and I think we'd have the professional version of Mr. Answerman.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2006-08-08 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Teal deer!

I got to the "omgwtf ain't no Nabokov! My English major gives me the exclusive right to have an opinion on books!" and then I got distracted by some Elizabeth/slimy bastard!Norrington fic on my friends list and wandered off for good.

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It's Not Just Lumos, You Know
(Anonymous)
2006-08-08 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Four years ago I was down in Boston for the American Political Science Convention (or something like that, my father's the one who's the member). And you know what? Four years ago, mind - there were three academics, three Poli Sci Profs, holding a seminar on Political Science and Harry Potter. This, even before the fifth and sixth book came out. This, an actually respected, reasonably serious academic conference drawing 2,000 people or more.

SO THERE, MS. REPORTER LADY! PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!

(it was a boring lecture, by the way. and one of them kept getting her facts wrong - my brother and I, the "resident experts" due to our status as minors, had good fun rolling our eyes at her chronological errors).

-Tabari-Avaren

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Re: It's Not Just Lumos, You Know - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 11:38 am UTC
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