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He farts rainbows and is ded from snake. - deathtocapslock, marionros, and a fic rec
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| | Subject: | deathtocapslock, marionros, and a fic rec | | Time: | 09:37 pm |
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| Deathtocapslock discusses Philosopher's Stone chapter eleven - "Quidditch". Par for the DTCL course, there's the usual sneering cherry-picking of everything that can possibly be interpreted as even vaguely wrong.
Then marionros descends with her usual vomitous screeds wherein she explains that being good at sports is a sure sign that you're spoiled, 'Hermione is the Gryffindor Bellatrix LeStrange' (actual words), and everyone in the Wizarding World is racist except for the Slytherins, because JKR is anti-Semetic.
OP (urbanman1984): *Harry is officially the secret weapon, but that should read “the only player of any significance.”
marionros: Don't get me started on this bit of narcissistic wankage! If there is one thing that spells the Potter mantra of 'everything revolves around Harry Bleeding Potter' it is Quidditch! The whole bleeding game has been invented to give Harry all the glory of athletic triumph. Harry Potter, who is supposed to be a 11 yo skinny runt with thick specs, but who nontheless stands his ground between husky 16 and 17 yo's and *finds and catches a small, incredibly fast miniature object that most people with perfect eyesight can hardly see*!
But remember kiddies, Snape is *mean* and *wrong* and a *bully* to suggest that Harry is a spoilt little brat!
I'm not actually sure how the last sentence relates to the previous ones. How is being good at a sport automatic proof that Harry is a 'spoilt little brat'? I can see him getting the broom and being let on the team as being proof of that, but simply the fact that he happens to have talent? Or is it just that anything that praises any non-academic talent is automatically anti-intellectual to her?
OP: *Hermione is Harry’s friend as long as she does his homework for him...! Poor girl. Does she actually believe that Harry counts as a friend or has she realised that he is the centre of the Potterverse and is latching onto him for that reason?
marionros: Hermione is the Gryffindor Bellatrix LeStrange. She latched onto her 'Master' ("I'm just chopped liver, but You're a Great Wizard, Harry!") does everything he wants, including breaking rules, breaking the law, disfiguring a schoolchild, lead a woman to her rapists, lie, steal and cheat, all the while singing his praises. Takes it with a wobbly lip that her Master chews her out or blames her for his own failings. Abandons all she cares for or believes in (including family) to be with him and even though he doesn't appreciate her nor her devotion to him, marries one of her fellow sycophants but makes no secret of the fact that her Master is more important to her than her lover/(future) husband and/or her family. Oh, and she is a psychopath.
She is, in short, the Potterverse Ideal Woman (no disgusting leaky eyes or wet kisses from her, but pure devotion to Harry). Of course, if she had been Slytherin and had displayed the same devotion to, say, Draco, her behaviour would be described as disgusting and Totally Evil. IOIAGDI!
aikaterni: Your comparisons are interesting, though, considering how I’ve seen people call Ginny Weasley “Harry’s personal Bellatrix.
marionros: Harry has TWO personal Bellatrixes (Bellatrices?), trumping Voldie's one, following the Rowling Mantra of 'Harry has to win at everything'.
...Am I weird that in all of that, the only thing that really raised my eyebrow was the gratuitous 'Bellatrices' pluralisation?
OP: *Flint may have troll blood in him, that would explain his shortcomings – his ancestry is impure. Are we sure JKR does not have a nationalist or neo-nazi type of mindset?
marionros: Let's see... Harry is a great wizard because his parents were great wizards, the Malfoys are evil because they have 'evil blood'...
It's okay to look down on filthy little squibs, and you ought to feel sorry for squibs because they want nothing else in life but to have magic, like You, but really, who could feel sorry for such mean, filthy jellus types?!
It's okay to look down on filthy Muggles, and you ought to feel sorry for people who are too unfortunate to be born with Magic, but really, who could feel sorry for such mean, small-minded JELLUS group of idiots?
The baddies are clannish, will only marry within their own group, they have too much (ill-gained) money, will leave you in the lurch during a war and will wheedle and deal with the Enemy to save their own skins (back-stabbers, the lot!).
They are Cunning and far too smart and intellectual (not like Us, the redblooded, redcheeked, cleanlimbed, heroic ones!) but they are also backward, with filthy backwards habits and habitats...
They are rich and think they are better than Us AND they are poor parasites who Lust After Our Pure White Wimmen! They have oily hair, hooked noses and lurk in dark, damp alleys. They hold strange rituals in which they sacrifice Christian children... They denounced Harry Potter and rejected His Salvation!!
But remember! It's the Slytherins who are Bad because they are Racist!
I never cease to hover between amazement, horror and amusement at the sheer inappropriateness of the strawmen and the cherry-picking that she pulls. IIRC, we only see two squibs in the whole series and only one of them is noticably embittered by his disability. More of that implication that any athletic or non-academic interest is by its very nature anti-intellectual. All Gryffindors are somehow anti-Semetic. And yet AGAIN, she operates under the impression that she can automatically negate any accusation of characters she likes holding prejudice if she can somehow bellow loudly enough prove that everybody else happens to have a prejudice too.
Also, maybe it was just me, but I alwyas read the comment about Flint's looking like he could be related to a troll as merely a fancy way of saying that the kid was big and ugly.
In order to cleanse the mental palate, I would like to rec a fic that I fell in love with because it's the best answer to Slytherpologist bullcrap I've read for a while : Overdue Protection by PadyandMoony. In this fic, after Harry is revealed as a Parseltongue in his second year, the school turns against him and the teachers predictably do nothing. When the situation escalates into violence, Harry runs away. Dumbledore's attempts to locate him end up revealing Sirius' innocence. Sirius takes charge of Harry's welfare and makes everyone take responsibility for their part in his suffering, both short-term and long-term.
The thing I love most about this fic is that many canon characters' (especially Remus and Dumbledore's) failings are addressed fairly but firmly, in a non-bashy way. Sirius is notably more mature and adult than in canon (since he is proven innocent and can access psychological treatment for his Azkaban issues), while still being the Sirius we recognise. This is a Sirius who knows when to joke and when to get serious (pardon the pun).
Best bit is the statement Sirius issues via the newspaper in chapter three regarding the behaviour of the Slytherins when he attended Hogwarts. The entire thing is a thing of beauty, but this sticks out as the best part that really kills Slytherpology:
...Did Dumbledore expel them, discipline them?
No. He claimed that if he turned them away or was harsh with them he'd encourage them to join (here Lord Black said You-Know-Who's name) as many of their housemates had. Back then being in Slytherin automatically gave them a free pass despite the fact that the other houses have produced criminals and Death Eaters as well. But apparently, the other houses were tougher, could stand whatever is thrown at them and would always stay good, not the poor delicate Slytherins.
Every time I read Slytherpology now, I hear that last line in my head. | comments: Leave a comment     |
| Oh god. Marionros and her "Don't get me STARTED!" crap. Does she know she's such a fucking broken record over Harry Potter? Like, at all? With her ridiculous OTT assertions and her constant demonizing of anyone not named Snape?
...Am I weird that in all of that, the only thing that really raised my eyebrow was the gratuitous 'Bellatrices' pluralisation?
Whoever insisted that JKR spelled "Horcruxes" wrong probably accidentally started this trend.
*sigh* | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Quote: If there is one thing that spells the Potter mantra of 'everything revolves around Harry Bleeding Potter' it is Quidditch!
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You know. I would have thought that the mantra of 'everything revolves around Harry Bleeding Potter' came to pass because Harry is the POV character. Which means that, yes, everything DOES revolve around Harry bleedin' Potter because he's the guy whose eyes we're seeing through!
That's way too much for them to ever understand, isn't it? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Uhhhh, I don't remember this children's series having a rape section.
She is so nuts. I really think she needs to see someone about this unhealthy obsession with a series she claims to hate. It's really bizarre! | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | They're talking about Umbridge being carried off by the centaurs; a lot of people, mostly Trio-bashers but also including Cracked (a thousand hexes be upon them) think JKR put rape subtext into the book for whatever reason. The basis of this theory seems to be the original mythological depiction of centaurs, ignoring the fact that JKR's are completely different: the original Greek centaurs were rowdy drunks, whereas Potterverse centaurs are Proud Warrior Race Guys. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| The basis of this theory seems to be the original mythological depiction of centaurs, ignoring the fact that JKR's are completely different: the original Greek centaurs were rowdy drunks, whereas Potterverse centaurs are Proud Warrior Race Guys.
Let's not forget the wise, calm, fiercely loyal to Aslan centaurs from the Narnia books. Who also were into stargazing, fortune telling and healing, if my memory serves me right.
And also, not EVERY single Greek centaur was a super rowdy drunk. Chiron wasn't exactly the same as Nessus, in example.
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| | Wow, that's really stupid, in my opinion. I don't think she'd put anything like that in a children's book that has no other sexual subtext whatsoever! It's ridiculous! | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I wouldn't say there was NO sexual subtext; there was a bit I recall in, I think it was DH, about Ginny wanting to give Harry a "present," for instance. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Yeah. DH stepped into that racy territory with quite a few things - someone exclaiming how "good Harry tastes" (the polyjuice), Hermione and Ron snarking about Ron's pants being too tight, "wand in a knot, have you?", and to be honest, the Harry/Ginny makeout scene could be interpreted as some kind of sexual activity, though JKR used a fade to black. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | The darkest JKR got with her sexual subtext was probably... well, Fenrir's entire existence, I guess. To be fair, that's pretty dark, but including outright RAPE? I don't think so at all... | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| They are rich and think they are better than Us AND they are poor parasites who Lust After Our Pure White Wimmen! They have oily hair, hooked noses and lurk in dark, damp alleys. They hold strange rituals in which they sacrifice Christian children... They denounced Harry Potter and rejected His Salvation!!
But remember! It's the Slytherins who are Bad because they are Racist!
o_O..What? No seriously, what?
She needs freaking help this is an unhealthy obsession. Seriously, lots of people have things they really hate, for good or bad reasons. There are also times when not letting go and not shutting up about something might be a good thing(A miscarriage of justice, politics, etcetera.) a fucking children's book however is never one of those things. No wonder she's such a fan of slytherins. As far as I've seen she has so many of their bad traits, and none of the redeeming qualities. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| If there is one thing that spells the Potter mantra of 'everything revolves around Harry Bleeding Potter' it is Quidditch! The whole bleeding game has been invented to give Harry all the glory of athletic triumph.
Um... of course? It's a book series called "Harry Potter" and you are still outraged, all these years after it's ended, that he was the main focus of the story. That's like whining that Star Wars has too many spaceships.
IDK, maybe she hates Harry's athletic abilities so much because she's got a bad case of sour grapes. Like maybe she wishes she was good at a sport or something and is jealous. Jealous of a fictional child. IDEK. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Yeah. I was just thinking she must have inhaled the extra concentrated crazy cakes at the crazy bakery. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| According to her, she had "pigtails and thick glasses" at school and was bad at sports. It really seems like she hated the athletic kids and is still blaming them and anyone like them for her own sorry state.
It's kind of like how Snape still bitches about that evil James Potter and his "small amount of talent on the Quidditch pitch", never mentioning how *he* managed to isolate himself by calling his only friend equivalent of the n-word.
Truly, they are made for each other. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Harry Potter, who is supposed to be a 11 yo skinny runt with thick specs, but who nontheless stands his ground between husky 16 and 17 yo's...
FFS, it's not like he was going toe-to-toe using brute force against them, or something. He was outflying them. He was small, but quick, and his swiftness relied on magic broom flying, not leg length or strength. And his glasses are no disadvantage unless they get broken, and thanks to magic, they can be quickly repaired, so...yeah.
...and *finds and catches a small, incredibly fast miniature object that most people with perfect eyesight can hardly see*!
Maybe if Harry wasn't wearing his glasses, you'd have a point. But with his vision correcting glasses, all he needs is quick eye reflexes (which are different from having a far-sighted condition, that the glasses fix). I figure most people with perfect vision (either natural or corrected) can't see the Snitch because their eyes can't lock on to it fast enough, due to lack of quick reflexes.
I'm not actually sure how the last sentence relates to the previous ones. How is being good at a sport automatic proof that Harry is a 'spoilt little brat'?
She seems to think that having some considerable athletic talent is the height of luxury, that JKR spoils the character by giving him that talent, and that said talent also negates all the years of abuse and neglect that Harry previously endured. -_-
OP: *Hermione is Harry’s friend as long as she does his homework for him...!
Hermione didn't do Harry's homework for him. She checked his homework for him, after he completed it, but she wouldn't let him copy hers. Learn to read, FFS.
Also, maybe it was just me, but I alwyas read the comment about Flint's looking like he could be related to a troll as merely a fancy way of saying that the kid was big and ugly.
That's how I read it. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| She seems to think that having some considerable athletic talent is the height of luxury, that JKR spoils the character by giving him that talent,
Well, she's so utterly fixated on the idea that Harry is a complete failure as a wizard and a human being and that Snape should have been the hero that maybe yeah, to her giving him any talent at all is spoiling him.
and that said talent also negates all the years of abuse and neglect that Harry previously endured. -_-
This is another persistant Snapefen idea - that the 'spoiling' Harry gets at Hogwarts (wow, alternately placed on a pedastal for something he can't remember or villified for things he can't help and he never knows when it's going to switch, yeah, that's 'spoiled' all right) somehow negates the cruelty of the Dursleys. It matches their idea that since Lily was popular and well-liked at Hogwarts, she couldn't possibly suffer from blood-related prejudice and if she did suffer from 'low-level prejudice', her popularity somehow negates that and makes it all better. I just don't understand how they can think it's okay to say things like that - even if they truly did have the right to decide what is 'low-level' and what isn't, the idea that a good life circumstance automatically cancels out a bad one would STILL be skeevy. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Those Snapefen are just Skeevy Skeeversons, are't they?
Love your pretty Harry/Ginny icon, btw! <3 | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Hermione didn't do Harry's homework for him. She checked his homework for him, after he completed it, but she wouldn't let him copy hers. Learn to read, FFS.
Ah please, remember that one time Harry dumped her for months because Hermione refused to do his Charms assignment for him..? No? Okay, what about that time when Ron only invited her over for the summer on the condition she did all their work...hmm, is that not there either? Well, how 'bout...
Gah, screw it. I swear it's like they white-out the lines actually in the book on the first read, and write their own skewed interpretation over top of it -- then completely forget there was ever anything else there when they go back to it. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I swear it's like they white-out the lines actually in the book on the first read, and write their own skewed interpretation over top of it -- then completely forget there was ever anything else there when they go back to it.
Exactly, ugh. It's maddening. This is why I go back and reread any passages I debate about, so I make sure I'm not misremembering something due to an interp I've embraced. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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| I don't think I've seen a comparable amount of rampant Internet nutjobbery and overanalysis recently, unless one counts a certain blog that demands its readers read dozens of its posts before commenting, and still deletes any comments that disagree with it. The woman responsible for that is also obsessed with interpreting just about everything as oppression, has severe Issues from her childhood, and seems to completely lack self-awareness.
>does everything he wants, including breaking rules, breaking the law, disfiguring a schoolchild, lead a woman to her rapists, lie, steal and cheat, all the while singing his praises.
And make up with Ron like he wanted, torture people, and excuse everything he did.
No, wait, she didn't do that. Hermione remained an independent character with her own free will throughout the series, and was perfectly willing to contradict or correct Harry, compared to Bella's frankly terrifying obsession and codependency with "Tom". Heck, no one told Hermione to use the "SNEAK" curse, and I honestly find it rather worrying that JKR actually thinks Marietta deserved such.
>aikaterni: Your comparisons are interesting, though, considering how I’ve seen people call Ginny Weasley “Harry’s personal Bellatrix.
>marionros: Harry has TWO personal Bellatrixes (Bellatrices?), trumping Voldie's one, following the Rowling Mantra of 'Harry has to win at everything'.
That is a beautiful piece of goalpost-moving. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| The woman responsible for that is also obsessed with interpreting just about everything as oppression, has severe Issues from her childhood, and seems to completely lack self-awareness.
*is curious*
Which blog? If you don't want to comment publicly here I have a post on my own JF with the comments set by default to "screened". | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| How is being good at a sport automatic proof that Harry is a 'spoilt little brat'?
It's a serious, serious Watsonian/Doylist mix-up. She's arguing that Harry is spoiled, in terms of his personality, because the author is ~*~biased~*~ towards him. Which makes no sense.
It is pretty impressive how thoroughly they've gone from not having a clue about social justice to being able to use it as a weapon to prove that their interpretation is the only one you can have without being an utterly despicable person.
Haven't read the fic yet, but an AU with Sirius? I certainly will do so! | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Lol, I have endless ♥ ♥ for that fic, but it does pose something I've always wondered -- how exactly do Snapefen manage to skew the Prank so much, especially after DH? I'm not saying Sirius is completely innocent either, but Lily said Snape had run that werewolf!Remus theory by her countless times before. Pre-DH I just thought Snape was a moron for acting on anything suggested by his worst enemy (even first year Harry and Ron at least thought Draco would be meeting them for a duel, they didn't fall for "hey, wanna see something cool? Go check out that creepy out-of-bounds haunted shack, after curfew! Btw, this is me being totally honest and trustworthy in that way I've always been, except when I haven't."). Then DH indicates he already knew - mostly- that Remus was a werewolf before acting on Sirius' words, so I just...ugh *headdesks repeatedly* Just what did he think he was going to find in there? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | I think Snape thought that he was going to find a caged werewolf, rather than one running around lose at he end of the tunnel. Since the incident is referred to as a trick, I think that must be the case and Sirius must have known that's what Snape was thinking (from his having let it slip that's what he was thinking, somehow, or something) and Sirius neglected to tell Snape he was wrong, along with encouraging him to go down there, and hence the trick part. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I think it's a possiblity that since Sirius was used to being in Animagus form around were!Lupin that he didn't stop to think it would be a potentially lethal prank. Remember, he's keeping Lupin company (along with the others) once a month, so he's probably downplayed the danger of a werewolf. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Hm, I never thought of that before, somehow... Hm, that's a possibility, I think. I could see that making teen!Sirius cocky about it. Good point. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | You see, I actually do think Sirius was trying to get Snape killed, but that he repented himself from that sort of behavior later in life. Apparently, that's hard for these people to understand. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I don't think Sirius cold-bloodedly planned for Snape to get killed, but I don't think Sirius gave a damn about whether Snape happened to die or not. Sirius didn't think things through at that point in his life, at all. I knew plenty of teenagers like that. Even in later life, Sirius was impetuous, though of course not to that extent. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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He farts rainbows and is ded from snake. - deathtocapslock, marionros, and a fic rec
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