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![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-01-09 09:31 pm (UTC) |
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subtle1science: I just LOVE anonymous jackasses who so have the courage of their convictions that they won't sign their names to their posts. I've always wanted to know--Exactly what are jerks like you afraid of?
subtle1science:No, you're a jackass because you don't sign your name. I don't care in the slightest what your opinion of Snape--or me--is. What is the most telling is that you pitch a hissy anonymously....Followed by your immediate resort to ad hominem.
You're a jackass.
rattlesnakeroot: Subtle: They are probably looking up what "ad hominem" means right now because they don't realize that is what they are doing.
I'll save them the dictionary search - it means "attack the person" instead of making a valid argument. It's the last desperate measure of someone who is always going to lose. So it's never enough to just attack a character they dislike - which the essayists states clearly - they have to go after people in fandom as well. I literally cannot comprehend how someone comes to lack so much self-awareness. I can comprehend that they do, but the process leading to such escapes me. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I think they are far too concerned with defending themselves and "winning" the argument to bother with whether they are being hypocritical or not. And they are so convinced they are right and justified, that they aren't about to go over what they said and second guess themselves, later. It's a vicious cycle.
I like how SIP uses "ad hominem" as an ad hominem attack, LOL. XD And by "like" I mean find lulzy due to the ridiculous irony of it. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-01-10 08:02 am (UTC) |
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| | I like how RSR seems to think it takes more than about ten seconds to Google what "Ad hominem" means. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I don't feel the same way about Snape as the essayist does, and I disagree with some things and points in their essay (much like I did with that other one), so I understand wanting to post a rebuttal (not that I'd agree with everything in a Snapefen's rebuttal, either, deffo not), but these Snapefen need to get a grip. The essayist made it clear that they were posting a personal opinion piece by titling it My Damnation of Severus Snape (it's "my" not "the"), and they posted the essay to a general HP community (that also has essays defending Snape and saying they like him, IIRC), so it's not like it's inappropriate or skewed to have that essay at Mugglenet. Yeah, it's coming rather soon after the last article on the subject, but it's not like the pro-Snape view hasn't been presented on Mugglenet, plenty of times before. The fact that SIP once had high praise for Mugglenet, tells me that the Snapefen view of Snape has been covered plenty. And it's not like SIP or another Snapefan couldn't write a rebuttal essay and submit it to Mugglenet, right? Sheesh. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| LOL, is there a comment box, or something? *checks it out* Ah, I think my NoScript is blocking it. *unblocks the comment box host* There it is.
Shall I add my two cents for the grey!Snape + redemption camp, then? I'll have to do it tomorrow, as it's getting late now, but I can do that tomorrow. *makes note* | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I finally felt well enough to add my two cents (more like five, LOL) for the grey!Snape camp, to the great Snape debate going on in the essay's comments.
...*comes back hours later to find this tab still open and the message not posted* *headesk* Maybe I'm not so well as I thought, LOL.
Wound up adding eleven more cents in response to one of the CoS regulars. That might be all I post there. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I think what really upset SIP is that about 75% of the comments agreed with the essayist. Usually the Snapefen scream louder that anyody else, but here is an awful lot of people saying that the essayist has hit the nail on the head. And then a lot of people come to her page and they also agree with him. I don't think she liked being told she is acting like a hypocrite and people can rebut her opinions, even on her page if they want to. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Oh, I'd wager that exacerbated her ire. I think any essay damning Snape in any way, is going to really tick her off, though. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I agree with the essay 100%. Except for this, "he has a beautifully tragic unrequited love for Lily Potter." I don't think it's beautiful in the least. :P (I think the writer's being sarcastic there though.) I think Snape's hanging on to his "love" for Lily and never even letting himself consider loving anyone else -- romantically or as a friend -- shows how immature he is.
I'm not going to read rattlesnakeroot's journal because I'm feeling too happy about someone else seeing Snape the way I do and I don't want to harsh it. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Anyone else deeply surprised she even has anonymous commenting turned on in the first place? In which case, I don't get the outrage over people using it. "I've enabled this optional feature on my LJ! Stop using this thing I've enabled!" | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| *sporfle*
I think she's left it open for people who refuse to sign up for LJ accounts of their own, and she is expecting those people will sign their posts at the end. From what I've seen, there are no complaints about anon posting if the poster signs at the end.
I have anonymous posting on for my LJ for the much the same reason, for my fic, so anons can leave reviews (as not every reader has an LJ or wants to sign up to leave a review, and I want all the reviews I can get, LOL)...I only really care if they sign, if they are flaming, because then it just seems cowardly not to sign, otherwise, I don't care other than wanting to keep track of who said what. NGL, if someone leaves anon praise with no sign, I won't complain. LBR | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I'm wondering if it really bothers her so much, why doesn't she turn on the IP logging option? That would work a hell of a lot better than "YOU HAVE TO SIGN YOUR POST!!!" Demanding anons sign their post isn't going to do shit.
She just wants what looks like a logical reason to call troll on everyone disagreeing with her view of the "pure white eternal victim Sev." It don't think it's logical at all however. For all she knows they could all start using the same frigging name, she could wake up one morning and find 200 comments from "Abraham Lincoln" or something.Or one anon could use a different name every time, anons signing their post doesn't mean shit. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Where are these anons coming from? Well, at least it looks like its from multiple people. It's the most I've seen on her site. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Okay, the comments on her blog are getting really wanky. The Anon who said this:
Actually they don't release then [promotional pictures from the movies] for the fans use. They are released for legitimate reviews and should only be used for legitimate reviews You may a little dot in their view, but that doesn't change the fact that they are under copyright. You just ain't worth sueing. You are still breaking the law.
is being ridiculous.
I can understand how fun it is to drive fanatical Snapefen into a frenzy. But come on, this is just poking someone with a stick. The rattlesnakeroot brand of Snapefen is driven into a frenzy by anyone anywhere doing anything other than dropping trousers and bending over for Snape. (Forget lube, Snape's too ~tormented~ to be expected to deal with that.) That being the case, the anonymous post I quoted doesn't feel like fair play. It's almost... Slytherinish. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Considering that one person who befriended Nettleship apparently for the express purpose of being able to wait against the day when she would no longer be bound by a promise not to release pictures of him I'd say these folks seem to think playacting ~being Slytherin~ is some kind of kewl thing to do.
Turnabout, etc. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Admittedly, I would laugh if someone sued rattlesnakeroot for her icon of Rickman!Snape with pretty pink animated hearts as a background. I don't suppose it's possible she's being ironic with that? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| The one with Rickman!Snape and "Witch Weekly Teacher of the Year" is my favorite. The JKR one with "Lily or Narcissa?" on it is probably the most sickening.
For the record, I do agree with her that Gary Oldman doesn't remotely resemble my mental image of Sirius, but that has nothing to do with Rickman influencing how Snape is seen. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Oddly, Gary Oldman looks exactly like my mental picture of Sirius with lighter hair. I always pictured Sirius as looking older than he was, older than Snape and Lupin, because of Azkaban. All the other characters of Lily's generation look too old to me, though. Imo, Lily and James in particular look the age they'd be if they'd lived (early to late 30s), rather than 20-21ish. I guess if they'd made Lily look the age she was when she died, Snape would look like a creepy old man. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | My big problem isn't that he looks too old, but he's too short. I have nitpicks about how most of the actors don't resemble their book selves enough (Emma Watson as Hermione is my first complaint, with Rickman!Snape being second, although for him it's because he's far too old) but to remedy that I just haven't watched any of the movies except the first. No need to rant about it. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I can understand how fun it is to drive fanatical Snapefen into a frenzy. But come on, this is just poking someone with a stick.
Agreed. What bothers me is that there are a couple of anons who are genuinely trying to have a debate, but there are another one or two who are obviously trolling. Even people who despise Snape rarely call themselves 'Snape haters', let alone the Snapedom portmanteau 'Snaters'. They're just deliberately playing on the Snapedomers' irrational paranoia that they are persecuted for liking 'Snape' (because that bloke they love and praise? It isn't Snape). I wish they wouldn't poke them like this, because it gives the Snapedomers an excuse to ignore ALL the anons, even the ones that are polite and have valid points. Not that they wouldn't ignore them anyway, but yeah. Don't give them a valid reason to. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Pish-tosh about Probably. That's only to toss a bone to the James and Sirius fans who might have been offended.
SIP's utter lack of understanding that she's demonstrating exactly what others are accusing her of kills me ded. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Clearly I can't brain today - which scene is 'probably'? When did James or Sirius say that? I don't remember. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | She's referring to Harry's quote referring to Snape as "probably the bravest man I ever knew." I don't know how serious SIP is that it was only put there to appease James and Sirius fans, but she's convinced that JKR favors the Marauders and she's changed their backstory just to appease James and Sirius fans when it was starting to look like they were assholes. I'm not even sure if that made sense. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Oh, I see. Thanks for the help! Personally, I read 'probably the bravest' as 'definitely one of the bravest'. It doesn't matter if he's not DEFINITELY the very bravest as long as his bravery is noticed and honoured - and how do you quantify bravery when Harry's seen so many people, including himself, show exceptional bravery?
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| | Mine too. Remus was always my favourite Marauder, and his death broke my heart even though I was kind of expecting it. Made by liesl06 if you wish to gank this one as well. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Thanks for giving me the credits for it! I'll gank it just in case I ever need a super sad Remus/Tonks icon. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I am so ticked off at these Snapefen, right now. Their offensive wank and their abuse of any reasonable defense of Snape that can be mustered has inspired seemingly all the people who are ultra-negative about Snape to be even more negative and also inspired them to be really, really tweaky about any kind of Snape defense, at all. I'm frustrated with one of the ultra-negative fans at this moment, as well, but dammit wanky Snapefen, get off anything even remotely resembling my side! Grrrr >_<
Just look at this crappy defense!
Dear Snapefen,
Stop trying to defend Snape, you suck at it.
No love,
Me | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Yeah. Snape is one of those characters, like Rose Tyler and (at one point) Hermione, that I used to like but their 'fans' have made me hate them, precisely because of batshit over-worship like this that makes me think 'wait, no, that's not how it went down' and I end up looking at their flaws so much that I can't like them any more. I still think that Snape is a fantastic character, and it's no mistake that he's such a fan favourite by reason of his complexity - but as a person, he's an arselump. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Arselump! LMAO IRL XD *adds to vocabulary*
I totally understand. When I'm defending against the rabid Snapefen, I often reach a point where I'll ask myself "Why do I like Snape, again? LOL". Which is part of why I try and throw a little defense of Snape in every now and then, to remind me why I like Snape in spite of his arselumpishness. I'm determined not to let the Snapefen ruin Snape for me. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| *grin* It was either arselump or fuckmook.
I agree with not letting them ruin a character for you - two or three years ago I felt this way about Hermione because of her rabid fans. The slightest praise of her from even the most reasonable fan had an instantaneous kneejerk reaction of 'oh God NO not this again' from me - but spending a bit of time mostly out of the fandom and away from the Hermione-fans who are allergic to reality (I'm looking at you, ptstibbons) I can like her again. She's still my least favourite of the Trio, but it's because I always liked Ron and Harry much more. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Fuckmook! LOL XD That's another new good one, hee hee! *adds to vocab*
I'm so glad I stayed out of Hermione fandom, now. Hermione's another one of my favorites. (It's bad enough I know of ptstibbons and their brain meltingly horrifying fic. *shudder*) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I'm glad I don't run around in Who fandom because I love Rose Tyler (though I have love for all the companions, really). As much as I'm not involved in Who fandom, I've seen more accusations of her being a Mary Sue. That, and I've read too many of Subtlescience's Doctor Who posts, who has nothing but hate for her along with everything else in RTD's era. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I've seen both for her.
Either subtlescience or SilverInkPot once made this long rambling post that try to draw analogies between HP and Torchwood and neither I nor my sister understood what the hell she was going on about. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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