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He farts rainbows and is ded from snake. - Hagrid the Child-Molesting Brute, Minerva the Attacker, Dumbledore the Dangerous Pet Owner
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| | Subject: | Hagrid the Child-Molesting Brute, Minerva the Attacker, Dumbledore the Dangerous Pet Owner | | Time: | 12:25 pm |
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| Terri_testing has decided to make some Excuses for Hagrid's Brutality on deathtocapslock. (Is this woman actually employed to write Harry Potter meta or something?) And in this case, 'excuses' means "zomg he did a bad thing and this is why it's so bad, dear god it's bad, but he's too stupid to realise he's a child molester and he spent months with Dementors so he's stupid AND psychologically screwed up". (One of these days they might actually make the connection that twelve years in Azkaban left Sirius psychologically screwed up, but I'm not holding my breath).
More of the notion that growing a pig's tail is sexual assault: "The victim endured a month of terror and abject humiliation, six months of constant pain, and PTSD that endured to our last canon view of him."
Let me get this straight. According to deathtocapslock members, Dudley has PTSD from growing a pig's tail. Snape has PTSD from the Shrieking Shack encounter. Umbridge has PTSD from the centaurs. Yet Harry, who at the end of book 4 gets kidnapped, forcibly restrained, injured, tortured, forced to witness a murder and is almost murdered himself, is just a horrible shouty boy in book 5. No soup PTSD for you, Harry! Also, is EVERY adult character Harry likes and looks up to going to be made out to be a child sex offender? First Remus, then Albus, and now Hagrid.
terri _testing also manages to slip in a bit of victim-blaming Minerva bashing as well: Leaving the almost-dead Minerva to be taken up by those whom she’d attacked and by them tenderly brought to Pomfrey for resuscitation.
Which they did.
Evil, evil Ministry! Saving the life of (and failing to press charges against) someone who’d attacked Ministry officials performing their official duty!
For all that they love to bellow 'IOIAGDI', they really DO seem to think that It's Okay If It Happens To A Gryffindor. That being a Gryffindor is such a crime in and of itself that they must deserve whatever they get, to the point of making Minerva out to be the aggressor (twice in those three sentences she refers to Minerva telling the Ministry officials to leave Hagrid alone and asking for their grounds for harrassing him as 'attacking') and suggests that the Ministry officials 'tenderly' helped her despite her cruel, vicious and utterly unprovoked attack on them. Indeed, the sheer compassion and tolerance the Ministry shows makes me weep and restores my faith in humanity. {/sarcasm}
Then marionros just has to shuffle in and bellow about how Hagrid liking dangerous animals makes him a bad person, and then spins into the inevitable Dumbledore hate:
In fact, it's a special kind of person who delights in owning a dangerous dog; it gives them the thrill of power, to know that their pet can damage and intimidate other people while wagging it's tail for them. It's a special *petty* kind of person.
Dumbledore has quite a collection of 'pets', hasn't he? He has a tamed Death Eater as his Potions Master, but that one is trule harmless; a snarling dog who never had any teeth, who doesn't snarl because he is about to attack you but because he hopes that if he snarls loud enough you will refrain from attacking him, because abuse is all that he has ever known. Then there is the pet werewolf and the pet half giant, and these might *look* like tailwagging pets, but they are indeed very dangerous, which is why Dumbledore collected them in the first place.
So, Hagrid was a sadist who revelled in the fact that nobody else could handle his dangerous creatures (rather than being comically blind to the fact that nobody else can handle them)? Oh-kay! Also, Remus and Hagrid are not Dumbledore's pets. They're PEOPLE who suffer from social stigma and prejudice. The whole point of characters like Hagrid and Remus is to illustrate the dehumanising effects of prejudice on people we've grown fond of. Yet marionros buys into the fantastic racism completely - they're horrible and dangerous and EEEEEVIL GRYFFINDORS, and they're also the stupid vicious beasties that people like Umbridge think they are, but Snape is not actually a threat despite joining the wizard equivalent of the KKK because he's so Epically Abused. | comments: Leave a comment     |
| He has a tamed Death Eater as his Potions Master, but that one is trule harmless
Oh my gods, someone please make an icon of this. It's the funniest thing I've read all day. Snape = truly harmless. Yep.
Why do they even like him if they think he's "truly harmless"?! It's like having a thing for a flobberworm. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Why do they even like him if they think he's "truly harmless"?! It's like having a thing for a flobberworm.
LOL XD
Different strokes, I guess. XP
Oh my gods, someone please make an icon of this. It's the funniest thing I've read all day. Snape = truly harmless. Yep.
I have the perfect picture to use as a base for that (it was on a tin that contained HP gloves), so... *creates*
Enjoy! :)
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| | It's kind of telling that they have to objectify Snape by turning him into a pet. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I'm flashbacking to Subjugation Snape.
Yes, Snape was always a complete victim, especially to those meddling kids over whom he had no authority whatsoever, where every single detention he gave was always being undermined by Dumbledore and never once did he have a chance to make any child chop up caustic spell components for several hours. He was probably gang-raped by James and Sirius while they pretended to save his life and practically Dumbledore's sex slave and Voldemort's sex slave. Occasionally he tried to tell children the painful but necessary truth about their ugly, unappealing looks and accuse them of malingering over their orphan status, but Dumbledore and Minerva would always step in and brutally silence him with silencing curses and hexes. Snape led a sad life as the victim of everyone and at the end of his tragically short life Nagini enjoyed a wonderful feast from the flobberworms that served as his spine.
Not that I want to dismiss real life abuse victims with the above, but Darling Pet Sevvie Wevvie seems to be quite a different character from complicated Severus Snape. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Snape led a sad life as the victim of everyone and at the end of his tragically short life Nagini enjoyed a wonderful feast from the flobberworms that served as his spine.
My computer now bears tea stains from my sporfle. Here is your shiny new internet. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| You know, I've seen them pull out the whole "Dudley was ~traumatized~ and he ~had to sit on a pillow for weeks~" thing before, but none of it is backed up by canon whatsoever. Terri_testing excels at making shit up.
The rest? Too busy facepalming repeatedly. (>_<) | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | I am always amazed at their ability to bring up the usual/common consequences of something IRL in one discussion, and then treat those consequences as deliberate canon fact in another. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| deathtocapslock is now officially renamed delusionalbutthurtwhinefest in my mind. they've beaten their dead horse so much there is nothing but paste left.
Dumbledore has quite a collection of 'pets', hasn't he? He has a tamed Death Eater as his Potions Master, but that one is trule harmless; a snarling dog who never had any teeth, who doesn't snarl because he is about to attack you but because he hopes that if he snarls loud enough you will refrain from attacking him, because abuse is all that he has ever known.
She actually believes that doesn't she? How can she describe him like that and still claim to be a fan? She makes him sound like the most pathetic, obnoxious character in existence. It's like she dug up the most worst of what she could find from the Mary Sue void mixed it together, and wrote Severus Snape on it with permanent marker. Even more proof that none of them really like Snape at all. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| It's so bad even the Harmonians couldn't stick around, and they excel in butthurt.
"Six months of pain?" Really? Then again, these are the people who whined about Hagrid giving Harry sausages without sharing any with the Dursleys (never mind the fact Vernon specifically told Dudley to not eat any of them). | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I get the feeling that she thinks it's okay to act like that in real life for that reason, and thus she needs to make out that it's 'harmless' to do so. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Terri's garbage doesn't deserve to be called 'meta'. Oh, and marionros? Try explaining that Snape is 'harmless' to the kid who had to grow up without a family because of him. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | This. Snape is far from 'harmless'. I don't get how they can go on and on about how powerful and skilled he is, and such a good actor/spy, and how he's soooo clever with his 'delicious snark', and then say that he's harmless. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| They even say Umbridge was "sensible" in trying to fire him (despite the fact that she did so because he was half-giant). As a teacher, Hagrid's biggest weakness is his fondness for truly dangerous creatures. It's not a case of him being vicious to the students, like Snape, or being unskilled in the subject, like Trelawney. In fact, the lesson Umbridge witnesses is with the Thestrals, and it's a well-conducted one. (If you look at most of the lessons with non-vicious creatures, like the unicorns and the knifflers you can see Hargrid's actually knows a lot about the subject and can teach reasonably well.)
(In 100 Years of Solitude, a pig’s tail leads to lifelong celibacy and eventual suicide from the protagonist’s attempting to remove it.)
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE STAY AWAY FROM GABRIEL GARCIA MARQUEZ. DO NOT BRING UP GREAT WRITERS TO JUSTIFY YOUR SHITTY META. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Because a children's book in the tradition of Roald Dahl by an English author is EXACTLY THE SAME as a work of magical realism for adults by a Colombian author. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | And if I recall correctly, the guy who had the pig's tail wasn't some helpless woobie of fate. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| ...ugh, there's not enough "ick" in the world. Y'know, for people supposedly so horrified by JKR's casual poking-fun-at-the-"victims", they hardly ever post anything that doesn't have a running "victim-blaming!WOOHOO!" theme to it.
Also, I love how Rowling would only earn their respect as a writer if three specified characters had been in possession of Voldemort's Horcruxes, so the Trio would have to pay for their behavior toward them. Leaving aside the issue of how stupid/nonsensical/take-your-pick-really it'd be for any of the mentioned characters to have the Horcruxes ...exactly how did the Trio "malign" Zacharias? Marietta, sure, but I don't recall Zachairias tangling with anyone other than Ginny and the twins...he picked on Harry, who didn't like him but IIRC never even got into a direct confrontation with him. (And Hermione seemed to think he would've gone with her to Slughorn's party if she'd asked, doesn't really suggest that there's open hostility there.)
Draco, it's sad I don't even need an explanation here (how dare the Trio react so badly to Draco's being a racist dick or his open mockery of the dead?!?! Geez JKR, what values are you instilling in kids these days?!) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I don't remember Harry having any direct confrontation with Zacharias either. The dynamic seemed to be that Zacharias had a habit of saying less-than-complimentary things about Harry either directly to Harry's face, or else very loudly to other people around Harry and his friends - and he wasn't above using his temporary position as Quidditch commentator to announce his rudeness to the entire school. At this point, usually Ginny or the Twins would address this (Ginny 'accidentally' crashing into the commentator's stand in HBP, the Twins saying "we're not fussy where we stick this" in OOTP). I'm not sure how this somehow becomes the Trio's fault just because rudeness aimed at Harry was the reason for other people confronting Zacharias.
Marietta I'll definitely grant as being maligned (it's one of the few moments where I am genuinely bothered by JKR's attitude to the actions of her heroes) but Draco as some poor, unfairly-maligned victim of the Meanie Trio? Fuck no. At least you could make a semi-case for Zacharias in that he appears to have some sort of axe to grind regarding Harry, but nothing worse. Draco is a spoiled bigoted bully who, as you said, has a habit of mocking the dead and then resenting the fact that people react badly. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Can anyone find anything about this 'six months of constant pain' thing in the actual books? I'm prepared to bet it's something they cribbed from one of duj's fanfics and convinced themselves it's canon. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| It's I think from one of terri_testing's previous ridiculous writings. She states that Vernon said Dudley needed a pillow to sit down for his first term at Smeltings. That has mutated into "six months of constant pain." There's nothing in the books about it; the last time the tail is mentioned is when Dudley has it removed.
Remember, the Dursleys hate Harry like Snape, so they must be right. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Honestly, I hated that Hagrid did that to Dudley. But the first book in particular really was a Roald Dahl-style book. Weird, horrifying things happening all around, without real consequences. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Yeah. If Hagrid had done it to Vernon, I'd be appluading him, and even Petunia would have made sense in that she had also been involved in the deliberate attempt to keep Harry ignorant and ground down. But the fact that he did it to Dudley, I didn't like. The first book is a bit tricky because I get the feeling that she hadn't solidified a lot of the 'rules' of her world yet, and as such the Dahlesque exaggeration tends to have a greater foothold. Also, Harry is only eleven at this point, and all he sees is that the boy who bullied him for years is finally getting a taste of his own medicine, so it seems 'okay' because we're looking at the incident through his eyes with the context of 'this boy needs to learn a lesson'. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Let me get this straight. According to deathtocapslock members, Dudley has PTSD from growing a pig's tail. Snape has PTSD from the Shrieking Shack encounter. Umbridge has PTSD from the centaurs. Yet Harry, who at the end of book 4 gets kidnapped, forcibly restrained, injured, tortured, forced to witness a murder and is almost murdered himself, is just a horrible shouty boy in book 5. No soup PTSD for you, Harry! Also, is EVERY adult character Harry likes and looks up to going to be made out to be a child sex offender? First Remus, then Albus, and now Hagrid.
I haven't even gone over to look at the original screed yet, too busy LOL-ing over the write-up here. Wow, are they just giving up on that "subtextual analysis" ruse altogether in favour of wholesale fanfic-theory? (if so it's about damn time, it's been ages since the discussion there has seemed to be about anything actually in the HP books.) I'm pretty sure it stops being legit subtextual analysis when a reader's making up PTSD indicators for characters who've shown no sign of it, while utterly discounting the anvilicious indicators of that same disorder in the POV character, right?
*PTSD is supposed to be fairly long-term and behavior-changing, AFAIK; I could never see Dudley having it over the tail incident, because it just made him spend a few weeks backing out of rooms with his arse covered. Not only was he just fine for the rest of the series, he was also back to the same behaviors he should've associated his trauma with (as any PTSD victim would have), like bullying Harry or jumping on candy he'd seen fall from a wizard's pocket. If Dudley had PTSD from anything it was from the Dementor attack in OotP, because we know that changed him ... aww, right, but that wasn't PTSD inflicted by a Gryffindor! No wonder it failed the admissions test. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I'm pretty sure it stops being legit subtextual analysis when a reader's making up PTSD indicators for characters who've shown no sign of it, while utterly discounting the anvilicious indicators of that same disorder in the POV character, right?
Yup. I'm ashamed to admit that until I read JKR's comment to Dan Radcliffe that "If anyone says that Harry is too angry [in OOTP], they haven't been reading closely enough" that I too had problems with OOTP Harry, and it's still uncomfortable reading but now I think it's an excellent portrayal of a traumatised young man. So I guess I can't point too many fingers at them for not getting it when I myself originally didn't. Even so, enough people in the fandom are pointing it out now that there's less of an excuse - not that they're actually involved in fandom anymore.
I could never see Dudley having it over the tail incident, because it just made him spend a few weeks backing out of rooms with his arse covered.
To be fair, he was clutching his backside three years later, when the Weasleys came to fetch Harry for the Quidditch World Cup. Not that I consider it PTSD - more like the fear that stems from ignorance and bigotry.
If Dudley had PTSD from anything it was from the Dementor attack in OotP, because we know that changed him ... aww, right, but that wasn't PTSD inflicted by a Gryffindor! No wonder it failed the admissions test.
This. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| That said, re OOTP Harry, I was facepalming a little re-reading it with him bellowing about how it was he alone who did all that stuff with the Philosopher's Stone etc.
Additionally, I think it makes sense in context for why Harry never got any kind of help or whatever during the summer; when Dumbledore was growing up, the usual response to trauma was to "tough it out" for males, rather than get any kind of a sympathetic ear. It strikes me as reasonable to assume that he felt Harry could work through his problems on his own.
Finally, I did read a meta once, discussing the possibility that Dumbledore and McGonagall were simply curve-balled hard by Fudge and Umbridge. Instead of being able to take fifth year as a breather period, letting Harry and the other students have a refuge away from the gathering clouds on the horizon, Fudge and Umbridge did a complete 180 on that scenario and plunged Hogwarts in turmoil, intrigue and suspicion. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I was actually sort of glad that Harry was finally yelling at SOMEONE. Of course, he picked the wrong people to yell at, so that was annoying. But Harry had been starting to kind of freak me out over his lack of freaking out :P | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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He farts rainbows and is ded from snake. - Hagrid the Child-Molesting Brute, Minerva the Attacker, Dumbledore the Dangerous Pet Owner
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