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He farts rainbows and is ded from snake. - Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death(tocapslock)
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| | Subject: | Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death(tocapslock) | | Time: | 11:35 am | | Current Mood: | amused |
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| Sweettalkeress starts off with 'A Humourous Anecdote' (you liar) referencing what appears to be a particularly strange fanfic. Deathtocapslock runs with it (of course) and blithers on about how baaaaaaaad Deathly Hallows is.
oneandthetruth: DH has an idiot plot. Only someone who's on the same intellectual level as the characters in such a plot would fail to recognize this. Honestly, such tortured rationalizations show both how desperately bad DH is, and how desperate the JKR dittoheads are to rationalize its badness away.
Given oneandthetruth's habit of dumbing down anyone who disagrees with hir, I translate that as "anyone who actually liked the book that proved that Snapeykins wasn't the one to save the day after all is a big dummypants dittohead!"
marionros is cheesed off that a minor actress playing a Vulcan priestess in a Star Trek movie is wearing red lipstick when clearly green is more logical. (I get that one little thing can push you too far and make you think 'wait, no, I'm done' but the make-up department's choice of cosmetics for a one-scene actress? And she remembers being cheesed off about it 25 years later?)
The Elder Wand and Albus' stupidity and badness come in for the inevitable wank, and they're still insisting that the Elder Wand induces hubris in its masters, rather than hubristic people being the ones interested in mastering it in the first place.
Terri_testing's fanfics get trotted out as 'better than canon' once more, and Mary_j_59 references her own: It's a shame to keep coming back to one's own fanfic - but, before DH, I was convinced that it would be Harry's job to destroy the Horcruxes, and Severus's to actually kill Voldemort afterwards. A pity it didn't work that way! (I also had Harry willingly sacrificing himself to save Severus, and Severus getting bitten by Nagini.)
After DH, reallly, nothing makes sense any more. I still don't believe in the Elder Wand! Still less do I believe that Harry could have gotten mastery over Draco's wand simply by yanking it out of the other boy's hand.
"After DH, really, nothing makes sense any more. I still don't believe that Snape didn't get the glory of offing Voldie! Still less do I believe that Harry wasn't put in his place. If he'd willingly died to save ~*Severus*~, he would have redeemed himself despite being an utter arsehole! Wait, what do you mean it's the other way around?!" | comments: Leave a comment     |
| JKR dittoheads
Oh, god. WHY are these people still wanking it up? Haven't they got something else to be all snotty over now? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Oh, and this?
(I also had Harry willingly sacrificing himself to save Severus, and Severus getting bitten by Nagini.)
How utterly predictable from mary_j_59. How else to make ~Severus~ the main hero and get her own back at JKR too. *rolls eyes* | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | That's exactly it. They honestly believed that ~*Severus*~ was going to be revealed as the True Hero All Along and So Very Much Better Than Those Yucky Marauders. They honestly believed that Harry would have some sort of moral epiphany and realise that his behaviour towards Snape had been SO VERY VERY wrong and disrespectful and Potter-like that the only way he could possibly make amends was to make the world a better place by removing himself from it. They honestly thought that JKR would ultimate validate all their neuroses at the eleventh hour by making the sun shine from his potiony arse. And then, it didn't happen. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I know I'm late to this party, but so much ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ for the assessment, it does seem like that's the source of post-DH Snapewank in a nutshell.
I'm more baffled by how anyone was honestly expecting that in a series titled "Harry Potter" when Snape didn't even make the Main Character list. Oh he's absolutely one of its more important characters, the only ones more central to the plot's drive are the Trio, Dumbledore and Voldemort. But seriously, the guy's never appeared in more than thirty pages of any given book. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I don't know, but I think it's the same as what's behind the Hermione-fanatics. Harry's function as the main character so far as these people were concerned was to correctly validate and adore the character they personally identified with. By not receiving that validation from Harry (and thus, from JKR), they have been cheated and wronged. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Apparently not. Or else they just hate being called on their ism-riddled entitled bullshit so much that they'll keep doing it out of sheer spite. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| So the last time I visited TVTropes’ Harry Potter pages
I refuse to read a Snapefen post that begins with that phrase. Nuh-uh, you can't make me. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | *snigger* I don't actually blame you. They literally will not let it go, just like Sevvie-Wevvie-Snapey-Wapey-Poo-Pie-Kins would have wanted them not to. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-03-30 04:45 pm (UTC) |
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| | Hojeez, do I have to go and clear out the wankery again? This is supposed to be my vacation! | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| She's a witch, and I have abilities that would have gotten me condemned for witchcraft in previous centuries. We're just alike. I can't be a bigot for criticizing somebody who's just like me. She thinks she's got magic now? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Or so s/he'd have you believe. *eyeroll* In reality, it's just an excuse to legitimise hir bashing of the WASP character who rejected the character s/he identifies with. Never mind that in that world, Lily was essentially a WOC who got called a racial slur by her white male 'best friend'. Nope, she cannot possibly be the victim here, because that would mean that ~*Severus*~ did something wrong and was bigoted, and that are unpossible. It's the same reasoning behind the Lupin-bashing - they need to believe that simply being a werewolf made Lupin a bad person worthy of Snape's contempt and distrust, and they'll go to any lengths to insist so. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I have to wonder in what way she would fail to resemble a woman from the 1700s once she found period-equivalent clothing and made sure she didn't possess any technological gadgetry that would mark her out as conspicuous.
If she means she knows physical arts of fighting not taught to women in that era, I could grant her statement a little bit, but her phraseology implies she actually, does, like, OMG, ~real magic~. (O.o)
Talk about delusional. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I can't be a bigot for criticizing somebody who's just like me.
Riiiight and women can never be misogynists and there are no gay homophobes in the world and no black person can be racist and no poor person can be classist and...
I'm ignoring her claim that she has magical powers or whatever the fuck, because -- um. Does she weigh the same as a duck? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-03-30 04:50 pm (UTC) |
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| | I always wonder how that works. I've certainly seen black people being racist before (and am black myself). Or does it only apply when the person the black is being racist toward is white? Is this one of those cases where even someone's Extremely Unusual Definition isn't the one they're actually using? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | It's when someone who belongs to the group is being racist/sexist/___ist about someone who belongs to the same group. When a woman is sexist, a black person is racist against black people, a disabled person is ableist, etc. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| What the fuck did I just read? None of that made sense. Of course, I got to the half dragon-half human thing and immediately started thinking of Dragon-Half, which I love BTW... I really need to read it again.
I get that one little thing can push you too far and make you think 'wait, no, I'm done' but the make-up department's choice of cosmetics for a one-scene actress? And she remembers being cheesed off about it 25 years later?
Think of who you're talking about. this is par-the-course for her.
Oh noes! books about Harry Fucking Potter turned out to actually be about Harry Fucking Potter, and not Severus Fucking Snape! D: Everything is ruined forever! And JKR is a big meany poo poo-head!
JKR dittoheads ... that..It's so stupid it's actually cute. Really, it's adorable it's something one of my friends kids would name a cat or something. Do they realize that the "JKR dittoheads" are everyone in the freaking world who has read Harry Potter, except for their tiny, creepily obsessive little hate club? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | "Dittoheads" = fans of Rush Limbaugh. I actually haven't heard the term for quite a while. Using that word to describe people who disagree with her about the Harry Potter books is just vile. It's only about a half-step back from calling us Nazis. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| It still sounds stupid adorable to me. But knowing the meaning now, it doesn't surprise me at all. It's just another way for them to pretend they morally superior to those of us who aren't letting out lives be ruled by a coming of age story about a little boy wizard. It's hard to be offended when they just keep getting more, and more pathetic.
In ten/twenty years they'll still be obsessively bitching about Harry Potter. The rest of us, even if we are all still HP fans, moved on to other things a while ago. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | True, and I wonder how far their perspectives will have shifted by then? In five years, they've managed to make every Gryffindor a bullying jock, every Slytherin an oppressed w00bie, Dumbledore a narcissistic psychopath, Voldie a misguided idealist, the Ministry a fair and just government unfairly demonised by Dumbledore (because he's, y'know, a narcissist), and Snape a literal martyred saint. At this point the only way to identify the focus of their hatred as Harry Potter is the character's names, and given their fondness for cutesily offensive names for Dumbledore and their inability to spell 'McGonagall', even that is suspect. What the hell will their whining look like in a few more years? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Good grief, the series has been over for how long now? They need to go hate some new series for a while. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| You know, I actually like stories in which the main hero is not the one to defeat the main villain, and think it's a trope that should be used more often, and I still have no idea where they got the impression Snape would do that from. Incidentally, I probably would've been okay with Neville being the one to finish Darth Valer, though.
And speaking of Darth-related things, this is unrelated to this post, but am I the only one that thinks Star Wars has a worse fandom than Harry Potter? At least HP fandom you can laugh at; SW fandom are just nasty. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | They've been saying "dittoheads" for a while now, actually - which makes it all the worse, that they still find it funny or clever. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Rush Limbaugh, as the story goes, dubbed his followers "dittoheads" in the first place; thus, by that appellation they're implying JKR wants a bunch of readers who just echo what she says instead of being all ~critical~ and daring to have ~alternate interpretations~ of the books.
News flash, Snapefen! there are things I don't like about the books either (like Harry seriously failing Double Agent 101 in OotP, for example), but I, unlike Snapefen, am a reasonable human being and can take it or leave it without needing to construct a whole new edifice based on massively wishful thinking about Rowling's writing. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Actually, it's kind of worse than that, in my opinion. I unfortunately know more than I would like about Rush - my dad used to listen to him all the time, owns a couple of his books, too.
The dittoheads name comes from the fact that many of the people who call in to the show always used to say the same spiel before they got down to their question or comment - "hey, long time listener, first time caller, listen to you all the time, love your show, you have great commentary, think you're amazing, really impressed by you/admire you/whatever, etc" more of the same in very similar variations which took up valuable airtime. Eventually people started referring to these opening remarks of gushing praise as 'dittos', because it was basically 'ditto what they said' and then they could get down to business of what they called about.
Not sure if Rush himself suggested calling them that or if a caller just randomly did it once and others picked it up, but now (as of last time I heard any of the show) pretty much every caller starts out with, 'Hey, major league dittos, Rush!' or something like that.
And to me it's worse because it's not even that they echo what he says, it's even more mindless than that - they're echoing the same fawning sycophantic awe of other fans, so they're implying not just agreeing with JKR but virtually worshipping her without thinking at all, even to come up with your own words of praise or agreement or endorsement. And comparing us to people who have that kind of mindless slavish devotion to, like ekaterinv said above, barely short of a Nazi. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| So basically they are accusing normal Harry Potter fans of doing what they do with each other every day? Only instead of "gushing" or "worshiping" they do so spitting pointless, vile, hatred over at children book series, its creator, and all the fans who aren't the morally superior, super intelligent, edgy, special snowflakes like them.
Why is that the least surprising thing ever? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | It's actually more disturbing for what it says about JKR than what it says about us, tbh. :/ | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-03-30 04:44 pm (UTC) |
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| >Only someone who's on the same intellectual level as the characters in such a plot would fail to recognize this.
I'll take "Poisoning the Well" for 500, Alex. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
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He farts rainbows and is ded from snake. - Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death(tocapslock)
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