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| | Subject: | Deathtocapslock don't like us much. In other news, they don't like Harry Potter either. | | Time: | 01:53 am | | Current Mood: | awake |
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| ONTD publishes a list of "Ten Of The Most Epidemically Overrated Books". Harry Potter is not on that list.
Deathtocapslock does not approve of this omission. For 120 comments.
One thread includes us and our parent comm HMS STFU, with some particular attention brought to sarahfrost's post here.
Oneandthetruth: The rabid canon whores of the HP fandom do seem to be less intelligent than the questioners. For example, I needed a dose of rank stupidity a few months ago, so I looked at dedfromsnake. One of the members had ripped into the post I made about the AU scenario of Tom Riddle being a spiritually-developed social reformer. This um, person--I'm trying really hard not to call names here--insisted that I had called JKR both an American and a Tea Partier. Not just once, but multiple times!
I checked the post in question. Sarahfrost referred to the Tea Party twice, once in her title and once in her introductory paragraph. Both times her usage was as a sarcastic introduction to the post proper, based on past deathtocapslock attitudes/behaviour/claims regarding JKR. The only time the Tea Party was mentioned in all seriousness was an excerpt from oneandthetruth's own quotes. Whoops.
oneandthetruth: They all eagerly jumped on the bandwagon, trying to outdo each other in talking about how stupid, mean, and crazy I am. Anyone who lacks (1) such basic reading comprehension skills and (2) the ability to think independently is clearly of inferior intellect. That's not a personal attack; it's a statement of fact.
Not even going to comment on the reading comprehension skills (their total lack of self-awareness never fails to surprise me), but anyone who talks about how an obviously mentally disturbed young woman deserved to be raped doesn't get to complain when other people talk about how 'stupid, mean and crazy' they are. And THAT is a statement of fact.
oryx_leucoryx: So does this mean Severus fans are the greatest threat to Rowlingbots?
No, it means ism-riddled entitled anti-fans who think they're the absolute authority on a book series that they are outright proud of not having read for years are the greatest threat to fans who actually like to read the books.
oneandthetruth: They're really a pathetic bunch, not worthy of contempt, just sad head-shaking--kind of like Tush Limbo calling women who use birth-control pills sluts.
As opposed, say, to a bunch of people who believe a successful author of a beloved book series to be an actual narcissist based on the fact that she didn't write the books the way they wanted her to? Or a bunch of people that jump through countless hoops to excuse a fictional bunch of Fantastic Racists in all sorts of racist, misogynist, victim-blamey ways? Or someone who says that a mentally disturbed rape victim (admittedly an Asshole Victim) deserved it? Note that when it's a fictional Asshole Victim of an incident that can't be proven to be rape or even sexual in any way, deathtocapslock just can't be indignant enough on poor dear Umbridge's behalf.
harpsi_fizz: (Note: I'm sorry, but you people go into shires like Portkey, specific places where fans go to be left alone and enjoy themselves, and you raid their forums to mock them? You are bad. It's one thing if it's a public pan-fandom forum, but when you go to a place like Portkey, you're legit looking for things that will make you angry. That is inexcusably bullying and I defy you to state one reason why it's ok to do that. You can't. You're wrong. You are bullying and you know it and you know in your hearts that you were 100% in the wrong.)
Okay, harpsi_fizz, I'll give you a reason: BECAUSE CALLING OUT ISMS AND OTHER OFFENSIVE BULLSHIT IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS VALID. That's why. Because there is no such thing, and should never be any such thing, as a safe space for offensive bullshit. Any opinion can be mocked, but offensive and hurtful opinions SHOULD be.
I never cease to be annoyed by how the very same people who wank about Arthur Weasley being a hypocrite for bringing a car home to enchant when he works in Misuse Of Muggle Artifacts are the same people who seem to honestly believe that forums designed for a specific sub-section of fandom (like the one they're on, total coincidence there) should be some sort of safe space for fans to say literally whatever the hell hateful, problematic thing they want and be left in peace to do so without the danger of being called out. HMS_STFU got set up in the first place partly because we knew from past experience with the fandom that not only would there be wank, but that much of it would be ismy and offensive and should be called out. And surprise surfuckingprise, it was.
Sorry that our existence forces you to deal with the idea that a 'safe space' where you can say whatever you want and not get called on it might not be something you're entitled to, but... eh, who am I kidding. No I'm not.
harpsi_fizz also doesn't like Tumblr: I beg you, please, please, please stay on text-based forums with clear comment-and-reply systems when it comes to the Harry Potter fandom. I have traveled to other areas of the internet and seen the versions of fandom there, and though the lands are rich with pretty pictures ready for mining, the inhabitants there are savages, ignorant in the ways of communication, self-indulgent, and have mastered the art of ignorance alchemy so that they can form their stupidity into poison darts and shoot it at unsuspecting people. It causes a severe, instantaneous inflamatory itch in the rage sections of the victim's brain and it can last for weeks. Worst of all, there's no chance of getting the antedote because it's all Guerrilla warfare in the most literal Wikipedia definition of the term.
And the imperialistic lingo comes out, with the savages of tumblr contrasted to civilised, educated comms like, say... DTCL. Jesus God, do I get sick of their constant focus on academic achievement, and constantly boasting of said achievement, being the sole marker of a worthy person. Complaining that tumblr is full of pretty pictures and short comments that are high on squee is like complaining that your phone gives everyone access to you, even people you don't want it to. That's kind of what it was made for. For all the stupidity I've complained about on tumblr myself, I've seen quite a few genuinely clever, insightful and thoughtful discussions of fandom and real-life issues on there as well. | comments: Leave a comment     |
| That's because I didn't. Unlike them, you have good reading comprehension.
Unlike them, you have good reading comprehension.
That's because I didn't. Unlike them, you have good reading comprehension.
Cannot. Stop. Laughing. Now. X-D
Srsly, does oneandthetruth not realize just how many times the ~Severusmoms~ have written out and out totally inaccurate statements about the canon material they have suddenly developed a great liking for?
Srsly. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Also: While I cba to read all 120 wanky comments, did they seriously bring out the tired old suite of excuses for Death-Eaterism again? (-_-) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I love how sweettalkeress thinks that the Draco In Leather Pants trope applies specifically to villians only, ignoring the fact that it isn't called 'Voldemort In Leather Pants'.
From the relevant TvTropes page: When a fandom takes a controversial or downright villainous character and downplays his flaws, often turning him into an object of desire in the process. This can cause conflicts if the writers are not willing to retool the character to fit this demand.
1) That second sentence is the most perfect and succinct description of the wank in HP fandom that I have ever seen.
2) THEY CAN'T EVEN READ TVTROPES WITHOUT GETTING IT WRONG. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | LOL Draco is a villain now? XD Antagonist yes, highly unpleasant little snot hell yes, villain no, just no. Why is the fact that sweettalker can't tell the difference the most unsurprising thing in the world? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Oh, yeah. She's a diehard Ron/Hermione hater who always defends Harmonians as being bullied and persecuted by narrow-minded canon fans. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-06-12 02:30 am (UTC) |
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| | Welcome to the world of learning someone you like online in one place acts like a total git elsewhere. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I'm surprised that harpsi_fizz and madderbrad never mention Ms. Scribe during their complaining about the meanness of HP fandom.
OTOH, most of Ms. Scribe's nastiness was perpetuated against fans of OBHWF, so maybe it doesn't matter to them. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Oh, defs. Besides, it's cool now to think MsScribe was the baddie, which means they would have to defend her. Which does make it surprising that they don't bring up the horrible horrible OBHWF fans who kept that evidence around ~forever~ and brought it all up again, actually. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| "Tumblr is for stupid people, it's not real communication" is up there with trying to divide the world into book-lovers and ereader-users on my list of things that are often good indicators of someone desperately trying to prove they're more intelligent than they are.
Dear harpsi_fizz, you have bullied people for shipping differently than you and you know in your heart that you were 100% in the wrong, and that is how you can feel confident in declaring that we are just like you. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-06-12 02:33 am (UTC) |
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| >"Tumblr is for stupid people, it's not real communication" is up there with trying to divide the world into book-lovers and ereader-users on my list of things that are often good indicators of someone desperately trying to prove they're more intelligent than they are.
And that reminds me of people on deviantART complaining that digital art isn't Real Art in the mid 2000s. And the one high fantasy author who declared that the HP series wasn't Real Fantasy but actually more akin to Fairy Tales. Ah, nostalgia. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-06-12 02:29 am (UTC) |
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| >rabid canon whores
Is that better or worse than canon Nazis?
>http://deathtocapslock.livejournal.com/196708.html?thread=7339876#t7339876
I like how the person they're responding to in so quick to point out they're not attacking OATT. Must not jeopardize the hugbox.
>It causes a severe, instantaneous inflamatory itch in the rage sections of the victim's brain and it can last for weeks.
What, like mental Herpes?
>Worst of all, there's no chance of getting the antedote because it's all Guerrilla warfare in the most literal Wikipedia definition of the term.
I like how even when she tries to be all poetical, she lets slip that she's actually smarting over the reminder of the fact that she's outnumbered. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| That link? It still stuns me how OATT can be so incredibly callous as to imply that a raped woman deserved it at all.
I mean, I just don't even know how to fathom that. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-06-12 11:07 am (UTC) |
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| | My concern is less over the fact that some part of her thinks that--I mean, we all have thoughts we're not proud of, like me and the whole coconut thing--and more over the fact that she doesn't seem to be worried by it in the least. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | THIS. Everyone does and says terrible and/or hurtful things in their lifetime, but good people are FUCKING SORRY FOR IT when they realise (or are told) how terrible/hurtful it is. OATT wasn't sorry even when called out. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with being a whore. Though caring about canon doesn't get me money or anything -- I guess there are emotional rewards. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-06-12 04:31 pm (UTC) |
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| | I forgot to mention that "overrated" is code for "lots of people like it and I don't". In other words, it's pretty much perfect argument-bait, and thus hit-bait. In fact, it can cause wank just by omitting certain books, as we can see. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| the art of ignorance alchemy
WTF is this overblown nonsense? What does it even mean?
it's all Guerrilla warfare in the most literal Wikipedia definition of the term
Anyone who says this seriously is not allowed to claim other people are "ignorant in the ways of communication." | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Srsly. I may get all descriptivist about the changing meaning of "literally", but when you go the extra mile and use "in the most literal definition of the term" because you want to sound more intelligent, you've gone past "evolving language" and are well into "don't have a clue what you're saying". | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-06-12 11:28 am (UTC) |
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| I love how she's really just saying "literally" in the standard technically-incorrect sense except she's so determined to look smart that she makes herself even more wrong.
DTC in a nutshell. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | What gets me is how OATT claims his / her precious Sherlock Holmes fandom "attracts *only* the highly intelligent and well-educated." Seriously. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | OATT is in Sherlock Holmes fandom? Stay away from my fandoms! (And yes, we have idiots too, as well as some very nice people.) Then again, when anyone uses a Snape icon on LJ I reflexively check to make sure they aren't part of the DTC crowd. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2012-06-12 11:41 am (UTC) |
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| Counterpoint: Tumblr.
Secondary counterpoint: All of the nonsense about ABC's Elementary. I mean, it's not like the BBC's Sherlock didn't announce until after Warner announced their film version, and it's not like Sherlock Holmes is probably the most adapted and "inspiring" work in literary history. How many TV shows are basically "Sherlock Holmes + X"? Psych is Sherlock Holmes+Fake Psychic, and the Mentalist is a darker and more dramatic version of that. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | It was more he felt this way about any fandom at all than SH fandom in particular. The pretentiousness is just...wow. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I'm only worried about the ABC series because so many adaptations of British TV to American versions are crap. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. I'd like to be. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Is OATT talking about the fandom for ACD's Sherlock Holmes, the original stories, or the Moffat version, or Jude Law, or the whole thing under one umbrella, or what?
Look, I get that some fandoms are better behaved than others, if only because the canon and/or source material tends to attract less arselumpish fuckmooks than other fandom's canon/source material. But the idea that there's any popular fandom out there without ANY ignorant, ismy people... yeah, how about NO. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Is OATT talking about the fandom for ACD's Sherlock Holmes, the original stories, or the Moffat version, or Jude Law, or the whole thing under one umbrella, or what?
There is significant overlap. I'm involved with all of them. (Canon ACD is my favorite by far, though.)
OT, but I've been on your tumblr and I love your Who posts. In "Smith and Jones" the moment I fell in love with Martha was when she told her coworker who was freaking out about her opening a window that the hospital wasn't airtight and since they could all still breathe just fine something else must be keeping the air in. With all that going on she still kept her head enough to think like that? Awesome. The Hogwarts sorting one was also great, and I can't really disagree with any of them. There's so much companion hate, probably because so many of them are women. It makes me sad. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I love the original stories and the Granada myself. Jeremy Brett was Holmes to me.
And thank you! *blushes and preens simultaneously* Martha is amazing and the hate she gets is ridiculous. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I want to see the Granada series but haven't as of yet. (I'll take a chance on any adaptation that doesn't turn Watson into a buffoon like those movies in the Thirties.) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Perhaps I should have used one of those giant blinking sparkly SARCASM tags for their benefit. *g* They do tend to analyse Harry Potter from a limited American point of view far too often there, and oneandthetruth brought up the Tea Party herself. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | It's been 5 years since DH, and these people are still this angry. Damn... | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | I know, right? Every so often I check deathtocapslock and RSR's journal and whatnot just to see if they've stopped. And they haven't. Admittedly, they've slowed down a lot, but they won't actually stop. It's like the last five years of wank and unfunny have weeded out those who were less invested in it all, leaving only the hardcore hopeless cases who will never, ever understand that pointing out and mocking their inaccurate offensive bullshit is not actually bullying. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I peeked over at Snapedom and the crazy seems to have gone down. Even marionros/smallpotato made a non-explody writeup about some fanfic. (O.o) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| RSR has a bit of a point, but JKR takes pains to point out that Sirius and Remus definitely still remember what went down almost 20 years before, while Mitt just plain "doesn't remember"*. A bully that grew out of it and accepts responsibility - which at least Remus did - is different from one who DEGIAF and just blithely passes it off as harmless fun, as Mitt Romney did.
* and he's been pretty half-assed in his 'apologies' anyway. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I agree - she's not entirely wrong, but some of the stuff is your average over-the-top Slytherfen Marauder bashing, and you can tell she's taken the opportunity that Mitt Romney has provided her to do so and to make more of those comparisons that don't really work that she's so good at.
Sirius accepted responsibility to a certain degree as well in OOTP, calling himself and James 'arrogant little berks' and saying 'we were all idiots! Well - not Moony so much' when Harry discussed that incident with them. (I tend to give Sirius a bit of a pass in the Shrieking Shack, given that he's pretty unhinged after 12 years in Azkaban and a year on the run, and so desperately focussed on revenge against Peter that he interrupts Remus' explanations to the kids several times because he wants to kill Peter. At that point Remus mentioning Snape must have been an irrelevant tangent to him and he behaved accordingly.) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | They just continue to baffle me. I don't want to say I've moved on from HP, but I don't feel as emotionally invested as I was 2 years ago. But these guys have continued to hate on HP (and still love it in their own way, I guess....), and Snapefen both hate HP and think fandom continues to have a anti-Snape agenda. The more time that goes by, the less I understand any of it. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Oh, oneandthetruth.
And despite the overwhelming evidence Holmes and Watson were straight, there are still shippers who pair them. They even have their own websites (Cox & Co. being one) where they post sexually explicit fanfic about their "secret love." Most fans consider that arrant nonsense, but they don't rip off anybody's head over it.
Bwahahaha! Yes, because I ship that, I have to be an idiot. Not surprising to see homophobia though. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| And despite the overwhelming evidence Holmes and Watson were straight
There's overwhelming evidence that Watson is attracted to women. Aaaand that's it. No matter what Dan Savage says, men can be attracted to women and be attracted to men as well. Personally, I think the evidence points to Holmes being asexual, but that's a big fat grey area.
How does oneandthetruth know anything about what "most fans" think anyway? I think "most fans" of Sherlock aren't involved in fandom, but from what I've seen of the fans who are, at least a plurality of them seem to ship Sherlock with Watson pretty hard. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | For what it's worth, there's been a holmesslash mailing list since 1999. The LJ community cox_and_co is also fairly old. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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He farts rainbows and is ded from snake. - Deathtocapslock don't like us much. In other news, they don't like Harry Potter either.
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