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ealusaid (ealusaid) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2011-02-10 19:48:00


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Non-faily adult fantasy
In a recent post about fantasy with really squidgy handling of female characters and rape, I made a claim I may not be able to back up. Which was, that I could produce a list of feminist/sex positive fantasy by consulting my bookshelves.

Okay, I can. But it's a short list.

Help?

It's pretty easy to come up with awesome women in YA fiction and Urban Fantasy, but some of us like swords and castles, and what then?

So what I'm really looking to build here is a list of books that:

1. Loosely fall under the category of "high fantasy" or "epic fantasy"
2. Are written for adult audiences
3. Do not feature titillating rape scenes, headbanging misogyny, women as cardboard sex objects, etc.

After all, most books mentioned under "feminist fantasy" are YA (Tamora Pierce, Robin McKinley, Garth Nix) and not everyone likes YA.

(I'm also going to note when things have problematic content that some people may or may not have issues with)

Inda by Sherwood Smith

First of a series set in a richly-built world, about Inda, a member of his country's ruling military class, from age 10 on. Even as a boy, he's a brilliant strategist (though a bit of an Aspie) and has to cope when political problems among the adult mean he has to go to sea. He takes up fighting pirates. It's pretty awesome. Meanwhile back home, his caste's women secretly plot to get the men to stop killing each other. Has awesome women, sex-positivity, and (so far as I've read) emerging gay and genderqueer characters.


Green Rider by Kristen Britain

Karigan G'ladheon knows where she's going when she gets expelled from her school from fighting. She's walking home and taking up a post in her father's merchant business. Then she meets a dying messenger of the King on the road there who begs her to carry his message to the capital... and much to her annoyance, she is chivvied into a hero's journey. Awesome women, varied quality of sequels; there's a scene with an attempted rape in the first book.


The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms by N. K. Jemisin

Yeine Darr's mother was a disgraced princess disowned from her cutthroat royal family for marrying Yeine's father. Then her grandfather declares Yeine his third potential heir, throws her into the deep end of serious political, military, religious, and spiritual conflict and appears not to expect her to survive. Ha ha. Awesome women, sex-positivity, seriously non-Western cultural assumptions about gender, characters of colour. The violence is as well-written as the rest of the book, which means it's actually a lot pointier and perhaps more disturbing than your typical fantasy.


Sky of Swords by Dave Duncan

Duncan's King's Blades books are 100% PULP FANTASY GARY STU ESCAPISM. And aren't explicitly feminist. They're fun popcorn that's surprisingly light on fail. It's set in kind of an alternate Tudor England, and it's about this school for the BESTEST swordsmen ever who are AWESOME and dangerous and manly and also the ladies love them. However, Duncan's ideal woman is smart and strong and capable. Which means that when I get lots of awesome sword stuff, I also get men acknowledging that their one true love has had sex before and it's fine, as well as Princess Malinda, who is like the Elizabeth/Mary composite character who has to make serious sacrifices to save her country. Sky of Swords is her book, but it's in a trilogy with The Gilded Chain and Lord of the Fire Lands, and as time-travel is a plot point, some bits of some books are set in an AU timeline. As for objectionableness, well, the series features a Henry VIII cognate, and sequels feature not!Ivan the Terrible. You take what you can get.

A Song for Arbonne by Guy Gavriel Kay

Set in an AU version of medieval Provence, where women rule a Court of Love and there are troubadors and tournaments everywhere. Arbonne's women have managed an unprecedented amount of freedom and power, but it's frail at best; their culture still relies on arranged marriage, and their neighbours to the north are misogynistic bastards who think they're all heretics. Has disturbing stuff with the misogynistic bastards, cultural disdain of homosexuality, and violence. Also sex-positivity and awesome women. I love all his work but dude sometimes has Issues, but: The Fionavar Tapestry also fits the bill here, although the rape of a main character and her subsequent actions and recovery play a significant role in the plot.



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(Anonymous)
2011-02-11 04:22 am UTC (link)
What about Marion Zimmer Bradley's stuff? Mists of Avalon and her Darkover series have many powerful female characters. And then there's the Sword and Sorceress books she edited, all with female protagonists...

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[info]notjo
2011-02-11 04:26 am UTC (link)
Some of Mercedes Lackey's stuff might fit in here, although in light of her her recent "trans people are horrible and obsessed with gender!!!!" fail, I'm not sure I could recommend her.

The Sword & Sorceress anthologies might fit the bill, although they are short story collections and are thus hit & miss.

The Tiger & Del stuff is pretty good, although I've only read the short stories and the final novel. Can't think of the author right now - Wiki tells me Jennifer Robinson.

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[info]melannen
2011-02-11 04:30 am UTC (link)
Hmm. Well, those are fairly loose restrictions, really, which makes is sad that I'm having trouble coming up with fantasies that have sex in them but not rape. :P

But here's the two fantasy series I end up recommending every time:

The Riddle of Stars by Patricia McKillip is an old-fashioned high fantasy. The first book centers on Morgon of Hed, who has won the hand of Raederle of An through a riddle-game, and sets off to ask her what she wants, but gets sidetracked along the way by shipwrecks, sea-people, mysterious prophecies, and, eventually "hunting a destiny like a strayed cow." At the end of Book 1, he walks off the end of the map and disappears, and Book 2 is about Raederle going from being a princess waiting to be won to a powerful, confident woman who can make her own choices and use her own strength. Then in Book 3 they find each other again but neither of them are quite enough the same people any more for things to work out like expected. (Meanwhile they save the world, find their destinies, fight a war, etc.) It's not a book that wastes a lot of space on sex, but there's no rape, there's lots of powerful women, and the powerful women love who they want without worrying about marriage or 'preserving virtue' or anything.

The Tale of the Five by Diane Duane is another high-fantasy series. This one is set in a medieval-europe-esque fantasy world, a small group of young people trying to find a magic sword, win back a kingship, uncover their destinies, and defeat the power of the Shadow. It has the interesting variation that bisexuality and polyamory are both considered perfectly normal, and gender equality is taken for granted (The last book ends with a seven-way group marriage). And it is very sex-positive without shying away from the dangerous parts of sex positivity. The main female character does have rape in her backstory and recovery in her present, but it's never described graphically and there's a lot more going on with her, including rescuing dragons and finding an ancient queen and coming in to her magic and figuring out love.

...I will think some more and get back to you now that those are covered.

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[info]breecita
2011-02-11 04:32 am UTC (link)
I was always a rather huge fan of Melanie Rawn. There is (rare) rape and dealing with the after-effects of rape in some of her books, but always addressed in a pretty serious way. Her Dragon Prince/Dragon Star trilogies take place in a fairly patriarchal society, but one where the women are strong characters who hold their own, for the most part. It's probably my favorite fantasy series. (Dragons & witches!)

She also wrote 2/3rds of a trilogy in one of the more fascinating matriarchal societies I've ever read, but since I've been waiting for book 3 since 1998 or so, I hesitate to rec it to anyone unless they can live with unfinished storylines. (The Ruins of Ambrai/The Mageborn Traitor, if you're brave.)

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[info]the__ivorytower
2011-02-11 04:45 am UTC (link)
She has very little true *High* Fantasy, but Tanya Huff has some fantastic stuff, and so does her partner, Fiona Patton. At least, I loved the Silver Lake stuff (by Fiona Patton), and the Fire Stone, I believe, is High Fantasy.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-02-11 04:50 am UTC (link)
Peter S. Beagle is awesome.

I would argue against Guy Gavriel Kay. I don't think he's sex-positive, and I think the evil evil horrible evil bad guy who made some slave suck his dick during some meeting was just there to show how EVIL this bad guy was, while being titillating. Kay always has it both ways with sex scenes -- he writes stuff and goes "oooh look how disturbing and icky and bad, let us feel superior [and pretend this isn't titillating]." Also in Tintagel he makes it clear that he thinks BDSM is icky and bad. I liked his books the first time I read them, but I realized they made me feel gross after I re-read Tintagel the third time or so, and this kind of thing is why.

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[info]chienne
2011-02-11 04:52 am UTC (link)
I'm still trying to read A Song for Arbonne, but for some reason, I kept misplacing my copy, as dumb as that sounds. I will finish it, though, because I'm obsessed with Provence and its Court of Love.

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[info]chaos_theory
2011-02-11 05:00 am UTC (link)
It seems only fair that since I was one of the people asking for this, I should contribute some of the books with strong female characters who actually do stuff other then sigh and die. I don't usually read "High fantasy" anymore, so I apologize that some of these are vague.

I really liked Doris Egan's Ivory series (although it's sort of fantasy set in a sci fi world. The female character had her own personality and background and didn't just sit around while bad things happened to her.

I seem to remember Andre Norton's Witch World books as pretty high fantasy, having a well-developed world, and lots of central female characters that actually DO stuff, good and bad. Plus she was competing with the boys back when the boys were all about grunting barbarians running around with half-naked girls clinging to their legs while stallions reared in the background.

Lots of Mercedes Lackey stuff is...weird...but I really liked a lot of the books from The Elemental Master's series, many of which focus around a central female character and are set in more recent history-Edwardian, Victorian. WWII-era etc.

There were a bunch of authors that were doing retellings of fairy tales, but all I can recall now was Snow White and Rose Red by Patricia Wrede, and Tam Lin by Pamela Dean (although this is urban fantasy I guess), both of which I remember being pretty amazing.

Goblin Moon and The Gnome's Engine by Theresa Edgerton remain pretty solid favorites, because I like a plain sensible girl who kicks ass, and I used to love the Green Lion series, although most of the time you want to smack everyone for being so uptight, and there is some frustrating stuff about evil "slutty" girls vs "pure" good girls.

i know there must be more, but I am drawing a blank.

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[info]white_serpent
2011-02-11 05:11 am UTC (link)
Ru Emerson's The Princess of Flames? I probably wouldn't recommend the Tales of Nadao; they suffered from the late 80s/early 90s "main female character must be raped for character development" trend. (Not in a titillating way, but it annoyed me that everyone was writing that.)

There are similar issues with Elizabeth Moon's Deed of Paksennarion (and, recently, issues with Elizabeth Moon... sigh). But you did ask about tough women and swords, so.

There's also PC Hodgell's Kencyr books. Jame rocks. (One day I'm going to get people to read them. One day!)

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[info]mydruthers
2011-02-11 05:31 am UTC (link)
While there is rape in China Mieville's Perdido Street Station, it's not titillating and focuses more on the effects of rape than the action itself. It and its sequel, The Scar, are both good, though very dark.

This isn't really high fantasy, but Jonathan Strange & Mrs Norrell by Susanna Clark is an enjoyable read. It's basically Jane Austin plus fairies.

Again, not high fantasy, but anything by Catherynne M. Valente is going to be feminist and very, very sex positive.

And for something more obscure: Dragonworld by Byron Preiss and Michael Reeves is a great YA novel about two feuding societies. Mix in some dragons and you've got a fun, charming read with interesting characters, both male and female.

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[info]fools_game
2011-02-11 05:36 am UTC (link)
Graceling by Kristin Cashore

Certain people - "Gracelings" - have very specific special gifts, and Katsa is feared and reviled for her Grace - the ease with which she kills. Having worked as an enforcer and assassin for her uncle the king since childhood, she struggles with a sense of right and wrong, as well as her own notions of independence, power and femininity. Katsa is an awesome heroine, there's loads of sex-positivity (Katsa refuses to get married, to the puzzlement of a lot of the other characters - she doesn't want to be a wife or mother in her patriarchal society. But she happily takes a lover, so long as he doesn't tie her down, and mentors and protects a younger girl.) The sequel, Fire, has an equally awesome heroine, and deals with paradoxical problems of beauty - Fire drives men wild, and she can influence and control them to a degree, but her beauty drives them to violence and possessiveness too, and so she struggles with her identity and how far it's ethical to use it.

Tender Morsels, Margo Lanagan

This rec comes with its very own giant trigger warning. SPOILERS: Rape, ongoing incestuous child abuse, forced/coerced abortions, gang rape, suicidal ideations, attempted infanticide, mentions of victim-blaming. (That's just the first two chapters, though there is a scene very late in the book where rape is used as a revenge tactic against a gang of rapists.)

BUT. Tender Morsels is a book about rape recovery and survival. The rape is presented as horrifying and genuinely traumatising, and the ramifications of it affect not just the victim, but everyone around her, for decades to come. She and her daughters have to learn to negotiate the boundaries of safe space and independence and interactions with the outside world and find their own comfort zones.

Plus there's cool stuff with bears and amazing prose and gorgeous world-building. So yeah.

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(Anonymous)
2011-02-11 06:00 am UTC (link)
I remember liking a good bit of Robin McKinley's stuff back in the day -- there's trigger warnings galore for rape and violence attached to Deerskin, but iirc The Blue Sword and Sunshine are pretty good and not creepy.

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[info]notjo
2011-02-11 07:09 am UTC (link)
Oh, if you stick to the first set, Dave Duncan's "A Man of his Word" is okay. There's some stuff that struck me as skeevy race issues with his fantasy version of a "middle eastern" society. Do not read the follow up series, which is "A Fist Full of Men". It totally ruined the original series for me, and I had previously read my copies to tatters twice.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-02-11 07:10 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure if it'd qualify under this but The Black Jewels by Anne Bishop has rape scenes ("breaking a witch") that included kids. The difference, I think, is that there's consequences for the actions. And. It's not back-burnered or treated at titillation. It's not a good thing. It's a sick part of life, and it's one that harms. But it's also got some hope in that the victims usually mentally heal from it, or rather come to terms.

And there's a matriarchal system that doesn't level women or men as bad. They're all shades of grey, and sometimes, the women suck as much as the men. Witch versus Dorothea anyone? The Queens are smart, clever, the heart of the land and help to pull the court together. Or not. Depending on their levels. And the Blood males serve and protect women because it's what you do. Or not. Just like the women, not every male is good. And sometimes the men and women are more than violent, but the women who are in Witch's court are the kind of women that I'd want to serve under. And they're not all warriors or homemakers. There's many things a women can do.

There's some modern conveniences in the world built that are mixed with traditional elements like witchlight and carriages. And really, you can't hate a book where the main character's three favorite men are Saetan, Daemon, and Lucivar...and they're the good guys. Not the perfect, awesomely, gentlest, but the good ones who protect at all costs. And Jaenelle's best friends are a variety of races with skill sets. I don't think anyone can hate Karla. I refuse to believe it.

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[info]sailorcoruscant
2011-02-11 07:47 am UTC (link)
I love Kate Forsyth's Witches of Eileanan series, but it does contain a torture and rape scene in the first book. I don't have any sex-related triggers, but when I first read it as a teenager I didn't notice the rape in amongst the torture (I wasn't reading clearly enough because I wanted the scene to be over and to move on to what happens next). But if you can overlook that, the rest of the series is about a series of rebel witches trying to rebuild their covens and universities in a world based on a feudal Scotland, with lots of fantastic female characters.

The Obernewtyn Chronicles by Isobelle Carmody straddles the border between science fantasy and high fantasy, as it's about a post-nuclear winter world in which people develop psychic powers. The first few books are very YA, but the later ones are more adult. I prefer her Legendsong trilogy for its awesome lady characters (many of whom are implied lesbian, although there's only two het kisses in the books to date), but it's pretty straight fantasy and there's no sign of the last book ever being written (which is a pity because she wrote the first two a year apart and they're amazing, but it's been a decade, so I feel I ought to give up).

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(no subject) - ealusaid, 2011-02-11 09:06 am UTC

[info]jaythenerdkid
2011-02-11 10:51 am UTC (link)
They don't really feature sex in them, but I've always thought that David Eddings' stuff was surprisingly light on gender!fail. Lots of strong women, a fairly pragmatic approach to sex (basically boiling down to "everyone does it, so why do we treat it like it's a big, evil sin?"), and when rape is brought up, it's definitely not there to turn on male readers. If you can get past Eddings' sometimes cringe-worthy race essentialism, his books are pretty fail-free all around.

Also: anything by Tamora Pierce. Sex-positive feminism, non-het characters and relationships, and even a bit of trans stuff in her most recent series that pleasantly surprised me by not making me want to throw my book at the wall.

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(no subject) - [info]quartz, 2011-02-11 03:17 pm UTC

[info]b_jellybean
2011-02-11 11:25 am UTC (link)
Oh Inda <3 <3 <3

I honestly cannot remember genderqueer characters, but I have this feeling that you're right and I'm forgetting. As for the gay, that is allllll through the novels, sometimes in unexpected places.

Green Rider and Hundred Thousand Kingdoms both sound fascinating. Thanks for the rec!

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[info]kosaginolegion
2011-02-11 12:31 pm UTC (link)
I mention her every time this subject comes up, so I may as well again;

The Kencyrath Series by P.C. Hodgell
The main character is a member of one of three races that has been bound by their God to defeat a horror called Perimal Darkling. Thanks in part to a betrayal by one of her family's Lords, the Kencyr have been forced on a constant retreat across the multi-verse. The world they're currently on is being partially eaten away, they have no exit plan and their various High Lords are so busy biting each other in the back that they have no idea what to do next.

Enter Jamethiel, amnesiac, blessed/cursed with certain traits that mark her as a probable aspect of their God's destructive face, attempting to balance on a knife edge between honor and darkness. Drop her into a culture that has become badly corrupted over the centuries and watch the resulting explosions, floods, fire and other assorted disasters, trailing behind her like so many puppies looking for noms.

It's at five books now, with the sixth coming out from Baen sometime next year. Hodgell has a talent for mixing Crowning Moments of Awesome with Crowning Moments of Funny and I've yet to see her so much as suggest that the women of the Women's World deserve terrible treatment because they're female.

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2011-02-11 12:40 pm UTC (link)
I have to recc:

The Princess Books By Jim Hines. Three strong female central characters, he's very sex positive, and that man doesn't use rape as titillation but as a background for one of his characters and he doesn't sugarcoat it.

Plus, he's all kinds of not!fail on LJ.

Also, I haven't read more than the first one but:

The Glasswright's Apprentice by Mindy L Klasky. Teenage girl gets involved in something she shouldn't and manages to survive. I like the world building and the main character. If there's fail later on, someone please tell me?

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[info]issendai
2011-02-11 12:59 pm UTC (link)
Iron Dragon's Daughter, by Michael Swanwick. Follows the adventures of a teenaged-to-twenties heroine in a modern and very gritty Faerieland. His depiction of Jane's sexuality is one of the most believable I've read. It's not an "oh yes, all women are like this" characterization, it's a "some women are like this, and Jane is one of them" characterization. There's one attempted rape, very brief and not played for titillation, and one sex show at a brothel, which hits the gross-yet-titillated-against-your-will note the scene needs; YMMV whether it's justified.

One more thing I love about Jane: She's not a good, sweet person. She does some horrific things over the course of the book--and stays sympathetic, because she's doing it to survive, and because Swanwick really does know how to write female characters without implying that they're as they are because they're female.

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[info]bitca
2011-02-11 01:54 pm UTC (link)
If you can get past Lois McMaster Bujold's past MammothFail (defending her friend who created the MammothFail, iirc), then the sequel to Curse of Chalion isn't a bad book to add to the list.

Paladin of Souls deals with the 40-year-old dowager queen, a minor character from the first book, who was considered mad/insane. Turns out the insanity is due to a curse, which is lifted at the end of Curse. Tired of being protected and sheltered now that's she's out from under the curse, Ista takes off on a pilgrimage. I won't spoil any more, but while the book starts off slow, I love Ista a lot and ADORE the idea of an older fantasy heroine.

It's been a while since I read it, so I can't recall if there are any specific fail-bits, but I don't *think* so. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, however.

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[info]beccastareyes
2011-02-11 02:11 pm UTC (link)
Amanda Downum's Necromancer Chronicles. (First book is The Drowning City, second is The Bone Palace). Main character is a necromancer agent to the crown who is pretty kickass. It's been a while since I read the first one, but the second one had an interesting political plot, GLBT and sex-positive themes and a transwoman secondary narrator (who of the three narrators, was the only one who got a truly happy ending). There is discrimination against transfolk in Isyllt's culture, but they are recognized as a third gender.

Violette Malan's Dhulyn and Parno books. Another 'pair of fighters travel the world' set of books. While Dhulyn has a tragic background -- she's the last of group of people called the Red Horsemen, who were killed off -- she's portrayed as being her partner's equal (except for the fact she's the senior in the partnership, so speaks for the both of them in the Mercenary's Guild).

Michelle Sagara's Chronicles of Elanta books. The main character, Kaylin, is a detective in a fantasy city, having crawled up from a background in the slums. The series sometimes stretches my disbelief -- mostly because of the internal chronology (all of that happens in that short of a time?), and I think the character of Nightshade is Creepy McCreeperson, though.

Michelle Sagara also has some more traditional fantasy published as Michelle West. Strong female characters, but one of the series (The Sun Sword) is set partially in the southern empire which is pretty strongly sexist. Her new series (the House War) one is pretty good, though I don't know how much it'll depend on reading the previous stuff -- it's sort of a sequel picking up a subplot from The Sun Sword but so far, the first three books are prequels and have some overlap with her first duology in that world.

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(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2011-02-11 07:22 pm UTC

[info]kelmendi
2011-02-11 03:50 pm UTC (link)
I quite liked Sharon Shinn's Twelve Houses Series and Samaria Series. They're both sort of fantasy-romance (the Samaria series in particular), rather than high fantasy, though. Also, Samaria is sci-fi disguised as fantasy, in the same way that McCaffrey's dragon books were (in fact, I'm pretty sure that the Samaria series is the result of Shinn reading McCaffrey and deciding she could do that way better).

Disclaimer: I found the Samaria books' attitude towards the Jansai islamaphobic. It's somewhat mitigated in Angel-Seeker, where one of the main characters is a Jansai woman, but there is still a pretty strong sense that all adult male Jansai are horrible, greedy misogynists. And - I don't know. It's hard for me to say exactly how much the Jansai are 'meant' to be Islamic. They have the same racial-background and religion as the majority culture on Samaria. But the treatment of women is based on things western culture associates with the more mysoginist Islamic nations (veil, stoning etc). Or it's based on the nastier aspects of biblical times (since there are angels in the books). So I don't know. It made me uncomfortable. But at the same time, I do love the world-building Shinn does, and the way she has her female characters navigate the choices and world they have been given.

The Twelve Houses Series doesn't have any of those problems. It's a sort of X-men set-up (group of people with special powers in a world that hates and fears them) in a medieval fantasy world. Lots of fun, several strong and interesting female characters, and no rape back-story that I can recall.

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(no subject) - [info]waitwut, 2011-02-17 07:07 pm UTC

[info]kookaburra
2011-02-11 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Seriously? No one's mentioned the Lancre Witches stories in Terry Pratchett's Discworld? Not only do they feature bad ass OLDER women, they're side-splittingly funny.

No erotic scenes, but Nanny Ogg is definitely sex-positive.

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[info]ragnarok
2011-02-11 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Jim Butcher's Fantasy series, The Codex Alera is pretty good. Some rape, but it's treated as a bad thing with consequences. The women are fucking awesome. Isana and Kitai are two of my favorite women in fiction.

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