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comixology ([info]comixology) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2012-08-19 09:24:00


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Book help?
I'm looking for top-notch mystery/thriller genre recs (preferably available unabridged in audiobook format) - specifically written by women - and I need your assistance.


I've been bonding with my fiancee's dad (he's in his mid 60s) about murder mysteries and pulpy thrillers. We've had some fun conversations about the genre, but I've noticed that virtually all of the protagonists he reads about are cis, white, upper-middle-class baby boomer men who boldly rescue attractive young white women who may or may not be sexually available to them from the perils of ~urban society~ (completely unaware of their own privilege). Suffice to say, there is some classist, sexist, racist bullshit encoded into these novels' overt content and in their worldbuilding (and it's presented with so little self-awareness it's mind-boggling). On top of that, he's said recently in an off-handed way that women "just don't write mysteries as neatly or tightly" as the WASPy guys he likes to read. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to help me show him how very wrong he is.

Now, future dad-in-law is a cool guy - he admits that the books he's been reading are flawed and that his perspective on female authors is sexist and that the content of some of the books are racist. He owns that, and agrees that that is bad. I know that just laying into him about the privilege in his books isn't going to help - that's why I'm looking for your recs. I know that if I give him some top-quality, edge-of-your-seat thrillers or tightly-plotted, satisfying mysteries written by women, he'll eat his words, buy more of their books, and recommend them to others.

His favorite authors are James Lee Burke, Robert Crais, Elmore Leonard, David Baldacci and Michael Connelly. My rec list currently includes Val McDermid and Sharyn McCrumb; I think he'll really like McDermid, but expect that McCrumb will be hit-or-miss (depending on how he takes to the historical framework).

Thanks for takin' the time!


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[info]annathepiper
2012-08-19 05:59 pm UTC (link)
Laurie King and Elizabeth George spring immediately to mind for me. Laure King's Kate Martinelli books, specifically.

Also a possibility: Francine Mathews, who's also written under the name of Stephanie Barron (she's the author who's written the Jane Austen-as-heroine mystery series), but for these purposes get her Francine Mathews titles. She's got actual former background with the CIA and she's used it in her Mathews thrillers.

Of these I suspect your fiancee's dad might dig the Mathews the most. I read her book Cutout and liked it. :)

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[info]comixology
2012-08-19 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, Mathews was completely off of my radar (though I've heard of her as Barron). Thanks for the help!

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[info]annathepiper
2012-08-19 08:34 pm UTC (link)
You're very welcome!

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[info]rosehiptea
2012-08-19 06:52 pm UTC (link)
There's a Norwegian mystery writer named Karin Fossum I really like. Maybe not as "gritty" as Elmore Leonard or James Lee Burke, but she's good.

Lately I've been reading a ton of Denise Mina, but some of the feminist themes might be a bit much for him. Great writing though.

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[info]comixology
2012-08-19 08:31 pm UTC (link)
He may like a bit of relief from the grit; I'll look into both. Thanks a lot!

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2012-08-19 10:32 pm UTC (link)
Susan Wittig Albert - a former lawyer opens up a garden center and mysteries ensue. Her China Bayles mysteries are fun, and offer some interesting background into herbology and a few other things.

Patricia Cornwell - Stick with the early Kay Scarpetta books. The later ones sucked ass in my opinion. Bonus that the MC is a female medical examiner. The one book... Hornet's Nest steps away from Scarpetta, though she makes an appearance in the second one (Southern Cross, I believe).

those are the two I can come up with off the top of my head. I'm sure others will have awesome reccs. :)

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[info]comixology
2012-08-20 03:13 am UTC (link)
We talked briefly about Cornwell! I bet getting him to try her would be an easy first step, since I think he's considered reading her and hasn't gotten to it. Thanks!

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2012-08-20 10:54 am UTC (link)
Cornwell's later books suspended disbelief just too far. Soopah sekrit organizations, billionaires, the whole nine yards. But her early ones, where it was Kay Scarpetta being stalked/hunted and solving mysteries were awesome.

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[info]jennandanica
2012-08-20 12:11 am UTC (link)
My husband and I would both like to recommend

Carol O'Connell's Mallory books

Mo Hayder's works

and Gillian Flynn's Gone Girl - DH just finished this and said he couldn't put it down and I'm just about to start

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[info]comixology
2012-08-20 03:14 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the tip!

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[info]magnolia_mama
2012-08-20 01:00 am UTC (link)
Since he likes James Lee Burke, you might suggest he try reading some of Alafair Burke's books. Other possibilities are Sara Paretsky (V.I. Warshawski), Laura Lippmann (who happens to be married to David Simon, creator of Homicide: LotS, The Wire, and Treme), Karin Slaughter, Lynda La Plante (Prime Suspect), and Linda Fairstein.

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[info]comixology
2012-08-20 03:18 am UTC (link)
He'll be curious about those connections, so this is a great list for my purposes. Thank you!

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[info]mcity
2012-08-20 02:55 am UTC (link)
There's this obscure author called Agatha Christie....

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[info]comixology
2012-08-20 03:04 am UTC (link)
Yes, I love her but she came up very early in my conversation with him - he doesn't care for Christie or Sayers. Not ~thrilling~ enough for him I suppose. He feels the same about PD James.

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[info]ryuutchi
2012-08-20 03:10 am UTC (link)
James Lee Burke and Agatha Christie aren't really the same genre, tbh.

They both have mysteries, but it's sort of like saying someone who likes Mike Hammer might like Nero Wolfe. The entire set up of the story is different.

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[info]mcity
2012-08-20 01:42 pm UTC (link)
I read "top-notch murder mysteries/thrillers written by women" and thought "what, no Christie? Third Girl was awesome. And Ten Little Indians."

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[info]wankismyfandom
2012-08-20 03:07 am UTC (link)
I definitely recommend Inner City Blues, by Paula L. Woods.

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[info]comixology
2012-08-20 03:15 am UTC (link)
Ooh, bonus reading for me too. Thanks for the rec!

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[info]beccastareyes
2012-08-20 01:27 pm UTC (link)
If he doesn't mind SFnal/horror elements or zombies, Mira Grant's Newsflesh trilogy had me on the edge of my seat. (The basic story is that two journalist siblings are selected to be part of the press corps for a presidential candidate, and discover a conspiracy.)

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[info]memorycharm
2012-08-20 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Megan Abbott is a modern author who writes gritty, grim, hardboiled noir fiction in the vein of Jim Thompson/James M. Cain, but with female protagonists. Queenpin won an Edgar award. Good stuff.

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[info]ide_cyan
2012-08-21 03:51 am UTC (link)
Nicola Griffith's Aud books (The Blue Place, Stay, Always).

The Rizzoli & Isles books by Tess Gerritsen (which are generally darker than the TV show based on same).

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[info]galadriel
2012-08-21 07:39 am UTC (link)
If he likes historicals, Ellis Peters (one of Edith Pargeter's pen names) wrote the long-running Cadfael series, about an ex-soldier-now-monk-and-healer in the 1100s who solves mysteries. Thirteen of them were adapted for TV (starring Derek Jacobi), and a number of them were also made into audiobooks.

And while I haven't read her yet, I'm reliably informed that Elizabeth Peters (pen name of Barbara Mertz) writes some wonderfully humorous mysteries. Her Amelia Peabody series is another set of historicals about an Egyptologist and her husband who solve mysteries in the late 1800s. Peters also has some shorter mystery series about other female protagonists, but I don't know much about them.

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[info]galadriel
2012-08-21 07:46 am UTC (link)
Oh! I nearly forgot! And for really twisted, dark and totally different than Cadfael or Amelia Peabody, there's Chelsea Cain's Archie & Gretchen series, about a detective who was kidnapped and tortured by the serial killer he was hunting, and then, after 3 days he won't talk about, she releases him without killing him. From there sprouts a disturbing and troubled relationship as the detective solves other cases and tries to recover from the ordeal.

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[info]iczer6
2012-08-21 07:50 am UTC (link)
I really liked Naked Once More by Elizabeth Peters. Though it focuses more on the publishing industry then CSI type stuff.

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[info]galadriel
2012-08-21 08:42 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah? I'll have to keep an eye out for it. I've got the Peabody books on my TBR pile, but hadn't investigated her other fiction much yet.

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[info]luthe
2012-08-22 03:57 am UTC (link)
What, no one's mentioned J.D. Robb (actually Nora Roberts in disguise)?

Eve Dallas, the protagonist, is a child of foster-care who grows up to be a murder cop in New York. The books are set in the future with a multi-racial cast and are all about the nitty-gritty of detective work. Lots of procedural goodness. The supporting characters all have their own lives, which grow and change as the series progresses. None of it is hugely ground-breaking, but they're good.

WARNING: Because Nora Roberts is a romance writer most of the time, there is some slight much and definitely more than a little NC-17 het-sex happening. If you don't want to include than in father-daughter book time, stay away from these.

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[info]blackflag
2012-08-22 04:06 am UTC (link)
If he's not averse to historical whodunits, I highly recommend the Marcus Didius Falco mysteries by Lindsey Davis. They're set in Rome during the rule of Vespasian and are pretty damn good.

There's also the Lieutenant Bak series by Lauren Haney, which are set in ancient Egypt. I haven't read those yet, but my mother, who loves crime fiction, *adores* them.

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[info]msilverstar
2012-08-23 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Early Sue Grafton fits into the action noir-ish mysteries category, with a female protagonist. Later on she gets kinda whiney about family and relationships.

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[info]telophase
2012-08-24 08:51 pm UTC (link)
If you/he likes darkly psychological, I loved Gillian Flynn's Dark Places (her Gone Girl was recced upthread--I haven't read it yet, and I thought her first book, Sharp Objects<?i>, wasn't as good as DP. In the same vein, Tana French writes mystery/thrillers featuring Irish police officers. I enjoyed her first one, In The Woods right up until a particular part of the ending, a sentiment I share with a lot of people.* I hear tell her follow-up books are much better in that regard, and they're on my To-Read list.


* Rot-13 for spoiler, although not of the primary plot: Gurer'f n fvtavsvpnag zlfgrel nobhg gur cebgntbavfg'f cnfg, juvpu pbzrf hc serdhragyl naq qrsvarf uvf punenpgre, naq vg vf abg erfbyirq ng gur raq.

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[info]telophase
2012-08-24 08:51 pm UTC (link)
*I r gud at HTML.

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