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Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2006-12-02 23:26:00


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How the mighty have fallen...
Once upon a time, Orson Scott Card wrote entertaining SF novels, like Ender's Game (well, for a certain definition of "entertaining"). Then he apparently went a bit nuts and exposed himself as homophobic, but some fans argued that, crazy or not, he was still a good writer.

Here is an excerpt of his latest novel, just to disprove that.



And now he knew that this was much of what the Army had sent him here to learn. Yes, a doctorate in history would be useful. But he was really getting a doctorate in self-doubt and skepticism, a Ph.D. in the rhetoric and beliefs of the insane Left. He would be able to sit in a room with a far-left Senator and hear it all with a straight face, without having to argue any points, and with complete comprehension of everything he was saying and everything he meant by it.

In other words, he was being embedded with the enemy as surely as when he was on a deep Special Ops assignment inside a foreign country that did not (officially at least) know that he was there.

Thank heaven he could go home to Cecily every day. She was his reality check. Unlike the ersatz Left of the university, Cessy was a genuine old-fashioned liberal, a Democrat of the tradition that reached its peak with Truman and blew its last trumpet with Moynihan.


This inspires a long and entertaining comment thread, including tales of Card, Ayn Rand, and Neal Stephenson, and this parody:

I am trying to be openminded as I read these comments. But now I realize that you are all indoctrinated, foolishly so, unable to comprehend any real-world information that is incompatible with your preconceived datasets or sets of data. Thank God I can go home to Cecily, who is as smart as Scoop Jackson but has an even better rack of knockers. And who isn't a guy. That would be gross.



ETA: Here is a summary of the novel, ganked from here:

When the president and vice-president are killed by domestic terrorists (of unknown political identity), a radical leftist army calling itself the Progressive Restoration takes over New York City and declares itself the rightful government of the United States. Other blue states officially recognize the legitimacy of the group, thus starting a second civil war. Card's heroic red-state protagonists, Maj. Reuben "Rube" Malek and Capt. Bartholomew "Cole" Coleman, draw on their Special Ops training to take down the extremist leftists and restore peace to the nation...


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[info]fernwithy
2006-12-03 05:42 am UTC (link)
The problem with the more recent stuff is less the fact that this POV is in there, but that the main characters never, ever have a serious challenge to their worldviews. Some are occasionally shaken by someone they care about inexplicably doing something wrong, but... well... they themselves are infallible. He does still do some strong stories--the stories in First Meetings, in the Enderverse, are a return to the old style. But the later entries in Ender, the Shadow series... people tend to always be exactly right about everything.

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[info]limyaael
2006-12-03 05:46 am UTC (link)
I haven't read anything of his more recent than the second Shadow novel (Shadow of the Hegemon? I think that was it). But it looks like he keeps up that trend in this new novel. From another part of the excerpt:

Am I like them, just a bigot learning only what fits my worldview? That's what he kept asking himself. But finally he reached the conclusion: No, he was not.

Oh, come on Orson, that's not even trying.

And, well, it does bother me that he has that POV, because I'm a girl who likes girls, so I stopped buying his books. I am just pleased to see that the drop in quality happened at approximately the same time.

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(no subject) - [info]fernwithy, 2006-12-03 06:04 am UTC

[info]polygamouse
2006-12-03 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Additionally, there's that thing where all of his "hero" characters started to have the exact same voice. Grown-up Valentine was pretty much Ender in drag, and Shadow series Bean was Ender without the basic semblance of social skills or an ability to make me care about him in any way whatsoever.

Also, he seems to have some major issues with women. His female characters who actually have characters are some combination of weak, emotionally manipulative, insane, evil or Ender in drag.

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[info]white_serpent
2006-12-03 05:47 am UTC (link)
Can statues of LIFE and evil chickens be far behind?

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[info]limyaael
2006-12-03 05:53 am UTC (link)
Hey, he's already done children born out of his hero's mind in the middle of a "wish-space" who turn out to be near-exact replicas of the hero's lost brother and sister as he remembers them, while another character simply wished for the cure to a deadly disease. (That was Xenocide). I think he's past statues of LIFE territory and living in a unique batshit land of his own.

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SPOILERS (lol) - [info]linadarkstar, 2006-12-03 11:45 am UTC
Re: SPOILERS (lol) - [info]tiye, 2006-12-04 12:16 am UTC

[info]issendai
2006-12-03 06:23 am UTC (link)
And is there a way to bring Card and Goodkind together? It would be a perfect match, like peanut butter and sun-dried goat rectum.

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(no subject) - [info]scootermcgaffin, 2006-12-03 06:53 am UTC

[info]verpon
2006-12-03 03:55 pm UTC (link)
Add a little Garth to the mix and you're in business.

"The moonlight shone down on the place unhindered, the gnarled parapets jagged upwards like a bony hand of icy indifference, in the background there was a pigeon."

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[info]tez
2006-12-03 05:57 am UTC (link)
*siiiiiiiiiigh*

I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Orson Scott Card for personal reasons that have nothing to do with his writing style. But this still makes me hurty on the inside.

*pets her autographed copy of Children of the Mind and sighs again*

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[info]thexphial
2006-12-03 06:06 am UTC (link)
Okay, the idea of a Cecily-sue is too scary for words. I thought -surely- a name as obscure as mine was safe. AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

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[info]vigilanterodent
2006-12-03 06:25 am UTC (link)
Card makes me really sad, because I want to like his work (the early stuff, anyway) but my brain screeches to a halt over his personal politics and I can't read anything he writes without feeling dirty.

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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2006-12-03 06:30 am UTC
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[info]ladysorka
2006-12-03 06:31 am UTC (link)
The really sad thing about this is that it almost makes me want to toss out the Orson Scott Card books I already own, and I remember rather liking the original Ender's Game.

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(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2006-12-03 06:59 am UTC

[info]brown_betty
2006-12-03 06:32 am UTC (link)
…oh god, I thought that had to be a parody, but no, it's straight from his site.

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[info]breecita
2006-12-03 06:32 am UTC (link)
I find my love of Orson Scott Card's books is best served by pretending this was a fanfic written by ors0n_sc0tt_card_00143.

It is not the first book I've applied this filter to, sadly. But it works for me.

Granted, I have a lot of practice in this as someone who used to love Anne McCaffrey as a child.

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ealusaid
2006-12-03 07:30 am UTC (link)
Damnit, woman, you just could of told us he'd gotten his brain sucked out by aliens. For a moment there I was almost fooled into thinking this was the same man who wrote Ender's Game.

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[info]arionhunter
2006-12-03 07:53 am UTC (link)
No CAPSLOCK of offended RAGE, Card? There's a key for it, if you can't hold down shift and type with the same hand.

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verthandi
2006-12-03 08:04 am UTC (link)
He's mixing up his dystopias! If the left took over, everyone would be pansified and be conquered by a stronger force. If the right took over, the government would do the conquering itself. Also, capitalism run amok.

WHERE ARE THE PANSIES, MR. CARD?

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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2006-12-03 03:40 pm UTC
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[info]seiberwing
2006-12-03 08:10 am UTC (link)
The average fifteen-year-old teenage boy is genetically predisposed to copulate with anything that moves.

That is the only sentence I could agree with in that whole damn essay.

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(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2006-12-03 10:17 am UTC
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[info]xanos
2006-12-03 09:02 am UTC (link)
Oh, OSC. Once you could write.

Then you turned one of your characters into a walking, talking pair of ovaries and had them make LOTS AND LOTS of babies with a genetically messed up barely pubescent boy against his will, and made this a good thing and I realized you'd gone crazy.

Also, I threw Xenocide across the room when I realized that there were three characters in a scene and they all sounded the same. The fact that they were discussing theoretical metaphysics didn't help.

Alas.

I pretend he only wrote Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, and Shadow of the Hegemon. Everything after that had to have been created by a badly manufactured alien replica.

I think I need a towel.

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[info]squib
2006-12-03 12:05 pm UTC (link)
I'd dearly love to read something where the Republicans are the heroes. But there's a way to write issue fic, and this is quite definitely not it.

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[info]monsley
2006-12-03 04:45 pm UTC (link)
ENDER/ALAI FOREVER! FOREVER, I SAY!

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[info]shinga
2006-12-03 05:24 pm UTC (link)
...

Am I the only one in the whole damn universe who really didn't care for Ender's Game?

And goodness, I'd almost forgotten about that whole deal with the homophobic "coming out"... good to be reminded. I think.

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(no subject) - [info]polygamouse, 2006-12-03 06:36 pm UTC
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[info]antimatterspork
2006-12-03 08:34 pm UTC (link)
What? Is OSC now writing Liberality for All?

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[info]sashenka
2006-12-04 12:25 am UTC (link)
It sounds kind of terrible, but I'm intrigued nonetheless.

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[info]tiye
2006-12-04 12:32 am UTC (link)
Urgh. Reminds me of Piers Anthony and his batshittitude. The guy wrote some awesome stuff in his early days, but DAMN does he give me the creeps.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-12-04 03:45 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-12-07 07:06 am UTC
I got part of the title right. - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-12-07 06:34 pm UTC
Re: I got part of the title right. - [info]seiberwing, 2006-12-07 06:44 pm UTC

[info]chaimonkey
2006-12-04 07:57 am UTC (link)
Maybe he's gone senile. Can I pretend that he's just going senile? Please?

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