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kittenmommy ([info]kittenmommy) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2006-12-18 20:11:00


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Current mood:*Snarl*

Please help get justice for a puppy that was tortured to death
Warning: Very disturbing content follows. Graphic description of animal abuse. I hope you'll read (or at least skim all the way) to the end where you'll find the contact info for the people who can make a difference in this case. I'm posting this here because I know that people from all over the world read this comm, and the more people who write in, the better.

As Peter Gabriel once wrote, "The eyes of the world are watching now."




Please help us get justice for this innocent, defenseless pup. A
mistrial was declared in the case Friday because, according to the
Atlanta Journal Constitution, one juror simply refused to deliberate.
The story is below, followed by a form letter and contact info for
Georgia's Governor, House Speaker,and the Representative who chairs the
delegation for Fulton County/Atlanta, where this horrendous crime took
place, requesting that the state increase criminal penalties for animal
torture. If you live in Georgia, please also contact your local
representative and senator. Thank you so much.


[Graphic content follows here!]


Gruesome detail in puppy torture trial
Brothers who killed dog in oven face animal cruelty charges

By D.L. BENNETT
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 12/07/06
Jurors recoiled in horror and wiped their eyes Thursday as prosecutors
produced a series of grisly photos of a tiny puppy tortured and then
killed in a gas oven.
The blood-stained oven showed scratch marks on the door and walls,
indicating that the young dog - its mouth and feet duct-taped -
struggled before it died.

Beige paint also covered the puppy and the inside of the oven, a final
act of cruelty before the animal was tossed into the stove.
Two teenage brothers, Justin and Joshua Moulder, are on trial in Fulton
County Superior Court for the acts that even defense attorneys
described as "horrific and gruesome."
"The puppy struggled all the way until it death," said Laura Janssen,
senior assistant district attorney, in her opening statement. She held
a small, black stuffed dog to demonstrate the animal's treatment to the
jury.
She stressed that the two brothers didn't just kill the dog in a
sudden, random act of unexplainable violence. Instead, their treatment
of the dog was cold, hard, calculated and deliberate.
She said prosecutors will show the brothers first dumped paint on the
3-month-old puppy, and tried to set it on fire. They duct-taped the
puppy's paws to restrain it, and then lashed the same tape across its
mouth.
When they failed to burn the dog, the two brothers set the bound,
paint-covered puppy on a counter, opened the stove, removed two baking
racks and then stuffed it inside, Janssen said.
She described their behavior as "inhuman and barbaric."
The torture, police say, occurred on Aug. 21 as the two boys broke into
and then trashed the newly refurbished community center at the
Englewood Manor apartments.
Lawyer Timothy Owens, representing 19-year-old Justin Moulder,
acknowledged the puppy's fate was horrible but maintained his client is
innocent.
"He did not do it," Owens said.
Likewise, Kevin Schumaker, representing 17-year-old Joshua Moulder,
said there was no proof his client either trashed the center or killed
the dog. He said much of the case hinges on five neighborhood children
who fingered the brothers and may not be reliable. Other potential
witnesses disappeared, he said.
"Do we just have two young men being served up on a silver platter?"
Schumaker said.
Janssen said the state will eventually produce clothing and other items
that tie the two boys to the scene. She also said they bragged about
their acts to the five younger children, showed them their work and
later threatened to kill them for calling police.
The trial is expected to take up to two weeks.

__________________________________________________________________________________

Dear Governor Perdue,
Speaker Richardson,
Rep. Holmes,


Due to an especially horrific recent case of animal cruelty in Fulton
County, I am writing to urge you to support an increase in criminal
penalties for animal torture in the state of Georgia. As you know,
people who commit heinous crimes against animals are much more likely
to harm human beings, and this particular case of animal cruelty is so
reprehensible it cries out for a change in the law.

According to the Fulton County District Attorney, in August 2006,
Justin Moulder, 18, and Joshua Moulder, 17, "brought a tan and white
puppy into the [Englewood Manor] Community Center. They tied her front
paws together with duct tape, tied her rear paws together with duct
tape, and then taped her front and hind legs together with tape. They
wound tape so tightly around the puppy's mouth and nose she could
barely breathe.

That was only the beginning. The puppy, less than five months old, was
immersed in white paint which the defendants tried to ignite with
matches or a lighter. When that didn't work, they removed two shelves
from a commercial gas range, put the pup inside, turned on the gas and
literally cooked this animal inside and out. The puppy's body was so
charred; the doctor who performed the necropsy could not determine
which breed she was."

Following this horrific case, the eyes of the nation are on Georgia.
Please demonstrate that you believe no animal should ever be treated in
such a manner in the great state of Georgia and should such a crime
occur, those responsible will be severely punished. Currently,
conviction under Georgia's felony Aggravated Cruelty to Animals law
is punishable by just five (5) years in prison. I hope you will
consider supporting a change in the law to increase that penalty to at
least ten (10) years.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

(your name)


Addresses:

The Honorable Sonny Perdue
Governor, State of Georgia
Governor Sonny Perdue
203 State Capitol
Atlanta, Georgia 30334
404-656-1776
404-657-7332 (Fax)


The Hon. Rep. Glenn Richardson
Speaker of the Georgia House of Representatives
PO Box 1750
Hiram, Georgia 30141
glenn.richardson@house.ga.gov


The Hon. Rep. Bob Holmes
PO Box 110009
Atlanta, Georgia 30311-3203
bholmes@cau.edu



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[info]shaysdays
2006-12-19 03:56 am UTC (link)
I saw the aggravated assault thing:

Anti-Cruelty Statutes of Georgia:

16-12-4. Cruelty to animals
c) A person commits the offense of aggravated cruelty to animals when he or she knowingly and maliciously causes death or physical harm to an animal by rendering a part of such animal's body useless or by seriously disfiguring such animal. A person convicted of the offense of aggravated cruelty to animals shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years, a fine not to exceed $15,000.00, or both, provided that any person who is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this subsection shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years, a fine not to exceed the amount provided by Code Section 17-10-8, or both.


So I assume lobster is a LOT more exciting to cook in Georgia.

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[info]kittenmommy
2006-12-19 03:58 am UTC (link)

So I assume lobster is a LOT more exciting to cook in Georgia.

Lobster is absolutely not on the menu here in the Kittenmommy/Kittendaddy household!

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[info]shaysdays
2006-12-19 04:20 am UTC (link)
Ummmm.... okay? They are at my house, on very rare occasions.

My point is that someone could be arrested for cooking them. You put a rubber band around a lobster's claw, taking away it's major defense, and you plunge it into boiling water. Then it dies. So that would be an arrestable offense. As hobbling cattles to slaughter would, along with docking lamb's tails so they can be raised for meat. It's a badly-written law that needs changing. If we're going to say you can't kill an animal without some cruelty, then nothing will able to be killed except plants. Think of borax on cockroaches, for pete's sake! It's a horrible way to die. They are still animals. Just not cute. Something tells me if it was a frog, pigeon, or an old cat that was killed in this manner there would be not a blip in the screen.

I'm sorry, the whole case just weirds me out. There's no physical evidence presented, just a bunch of 'witness' kids who don't have a coherent story (see: http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/9605/, which is not even on the boy's side!)and while I understand bringing in pictures of the dog's remains, beinging a live puppy into the courtroom to show that duh... puppies don't like to be confined? It's bad a puppy died, sure, but something just smells funky in this case from the stuff I'm reading.

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[info]kittenmommy
2006-12-19 04:21 am UTC (link)

I personally would not have a problem with prosecuting people who boil live lobsters for animal cruelty.

Kittenmommy.

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[info]shaysdays
2006-12-19 04:34 am UTC (link)
Well, we differ on that, obviously. However, I doubt you'd agree no animal anywhere should ever be killed. Even as an animal shelter advocate I doubt you think rabid animals should be able to run free.

I'm sure you can at least see my point that these two boys are being held on very little actual evidence and the state seems to be relying on circus procedures (minus the pony in the dog and pony show) to get them behind bars? Graphic descriptions of a crime are not proof- they are manipulative tactics.

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[info]kittenmommy
2006-12-19 04:37 am UTC (link)

Even as an animal shelter advocate I doubt you think rabid animals should be able to run free.

Hi Strawman!

Thanks for joining us in this discussion about an innocent puppy being tortured to death by a couple of future serial killers. Hopefully you'll find better things to do with your time in the future.

Kittenmommy.

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[info]shaysdays
2006-12-19 04:59 am UTC (link)
Lol, alright, that first one was a straw man (I hereby lob it at the GA legislature) but the other part?

Again- what about the lack of credible evidence that these two boys did it, much less vitrolic speculation on their possible future criminal activities? And the state running such a media blitz? The live puppy in the coutroom just cinches it for me- something weird is going on. When you need four dozen photos of a dead puppy and a lengthy description of death in an oven to try to get a conviction, that's just... it's like they're throwing shit at the teens and seeing if it will stick.

When you said: Thanks for joining us in this discussion about an innocent puppy being tortured to death by a couple of future serial killers. Hopefully you'll find better things to do with your time in the future.

I would hope one of the things I would do is look a little further than revenge no matter how flimsy the actual evidence is. Of course, there may be wonderful physical evidence all over the place that's not being reported, and the witnesses may just be too young to be very credible. I could be completely wrong for saying.. well, not that they could be innocent, but I guess for defending them even in an oblique way. I guess I'm just concerned there's going to be nationwide pressure for their conviction now- the petition may say it's for bulking up the law, but it's coming off as, "MAKE THESE TWO PAY DEARLY!"

Do I want anyone who tortures a puppy to get off? Of course not. They should be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Do have a couple legit questions as to these particular accused and the state's case? I think so.

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[info]kittenmommy
2006-12-19 05:47 am UTC (link)

Again- what about the lack of credible evidence that these two boys did it, much less vitrolic speculation on their possible future criminal activities?

Many (if not most) serial killers begin their careers by torturing/killing animals. That's a proven fact, and it's in the FBI profile for serial killers.

Kittenmommy.

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[info]shaysdays
2006-12-19 05:57 am UTC (link)
Uh-huh. My daughter wet the bed for a while- which is also a possible indication- but not a conviction.

And the evidence? You seem really, really concerned with justice for the horrifically-killed puppy and don't seem to give a damn whether two innocent kids could go to jail. As a matter of fact, regardless of whether they are guilty or innocent, you've made up your mind that they did it and are future serial killers that should be punished beyond the current laws... and if they're not found guilty by a court now, then we should KEEP charging them with things until they are. 'Innocent until proven guilty' and 'double jeopardy' are such quaint ideas in these times, but a lot of people still like them.

Feh. Whatever. Puppy killers=teh ebil, kill kill kill and all that.

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Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-12-19 06:07 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]shaysdays, 2006-12-19 06:13 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-12-19 06:28 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]gun, 2006-12-19 12:17 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]missdaisy, 2006-12-19 02:09 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings
[info]gloria_mundi
2006-12-19 06:00 am UTC (link)
What Shaysdays is saying is that the prosecution's case against the boys is flimsy as hell. If the boys did that, then by all means, let's throw the book at them. They're clearly sick fucks and need to be put away.

BUT if they didn't, then this a gross miscarriage of justice and they will pay for a crime they didn't commit. This seems bolstered by the fact that the evidence against them is paper thin.

More to the point, the boys are innocent until proven guilty and the legal system is designed to allow them the chance to prove their innocence WITHOUT the interference of a lynch mob howling for their heads.

That's justice and it must be allowed to take its course. The letter's tone is that the boys did do it, no question. That has yet to be proven.

As for the mistrial, its likely the juror simply couldn't handle the gory evidence and flaked out, not wanting to deliberate or even think about it.

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Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]serai, 2006-12-19 06:21 am UTC
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[info]iczer6
2006-12-19 06:00 am UTC (link)
Which has what to do with what?

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Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-12-19 06:11 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]iczer6, 2006-12-19 06:19 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-12-19 06:27 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]iczer6, 2006-12-19 06:32 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-12-19 06:38 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-12-19 12:44 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings
[info]shaysdays
2006-12-19 07:59 am UTC (link)
(PS- since I can't sleep, I did some research- it's a triad of things, not one thing, that makes up a possible warning for a serial killer. It's setting fires, bedwetting, and animal torture/killing. If you look up the MacDonald triad, you'll see lots of webpages basically saying it's been been debunked.

OK, really going to bed now.)

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[info]ravenscanary
2006-12-19 04:37 am UTC (link)
The lobster probably suffers a lot less than the cow that makes up your hamburger did, t'be honest.

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[info]kittenmommy
2006-12-19 04:40 am UTC (link)

The lobster probably suffers a lot less than the cow that makes up your hamburger did, t'be honest.

Cows aren't boiled alive.

Kittenmommy.

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[info]ravenscanary
2006-12-19 04:57 am UTC (link)
No, they're not. But lobsters aren't beaten unconscious, strung up by their hind legs, and bled to death.

But like I said? The lobster still probably feels significantly less pain than the cow, and at the very least, no more than the cow does.

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[info]kittenmommy
2006-12-19 04:59 am UTC (link)

So... if someone eats hamburgers, s/he shouldn't have a problem with a puppy being tortured to death.

Uh... OK.

Kittenmommy.

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[info]ravenscanary
2006-12-19 05:18 am UTC (link)
Nice two-step. I'm just pointing out that if you eat hamburgers, you're a right hypocrite to think boiling lobster deserves jail time, and living to the letter of the "aggravated animal assault" law quoted above would require strict veganism.

Also, doubling the penalty for the crime still wouldn't have gotten those sociopath kids in jail. The failure of a juror to deliberate wouldn't be remedied by stiffer penalties. Hurray justice system.

But, here, I can tell you're getting very upset, maybe this will help:

"Oh my god the poor puppy! Those bastard kids! I hope they die in a fire! I'm going to fire off emails RIGHT NOW! :( :( :("

I know that's what you wanted, sorry there's not more posts just like it.

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(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-12-19 05:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]moriath, 2006-12-19 06:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-12-19 06:15 am UTC
Re: Reposted for tag endings
[info]ladyvoldything
2006-12-21 01:03 am UTC (link)
Cows, however, feel pain. There is evidence that lobsters probably don't.

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[info]castalianspring
2006-12-19 05:40 am UTC (link)
I'd ask if you were serious, but I already have the answer to that. Last time I checked, most invertebrates weren't included on any lists regarding animal treatment laws. But I suppose you don't eat seafood, ever.

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[info]kittenmommy
2006-12-19 05:44 am UTC (link)

I'd ask if you were serious, but I already have the answer to that. Last time I checked, most invertebrates weren't included on any lists regarding animal treatment laws. But I suppose you don't eat seafood, ever.

I actually do eat seafood. I just don't eat seafood that's boiled alive. So I suppose that the argument could be made that I'm a hypocrite who picks and chooses her cruelties.

I'm not sure why that makes me an awful person for wanting people who cooked a live puppy to death in an oven to be punished for it, but evidently there are lots of other people in this thread who'd agree with you.

Kittenmommy.

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[info]castalianspring
2006-12-19 05:48 am UTC (link)
There are worse methods than boiling alive. In the lab we usually go with what's the quickest.

No one has said they believe the people who did that shouldn't be punished. They're just not convinced the evidence is sufficient in this case to prove the two boys are the culprits. There's a big difference there.

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[info]scarah2
2006-12-19 09:12 am UTC (link)
I used to work in the seafood industry. If you only eat fishes, this is probably accurate. But if any shellfish are involved:

Lobster: depending on variety and location, shipped live for folks to boil. Or, butchered live and tails sent raw.

Scallops: butchered live

Shrimp: butchered live then possibly boiled depending on size/location/purpose/etc.

Crab: I have toured what is possibly the largest crab boat in the world. The crabs come out of traps onto a station of spinning blades and wire brushes. They get sawn in half and the wire brushes operate at many RPMs to clean out all of their insides. Then they go get boiled and frozen.

So yeah, not many seafood items get literally boiled alive (unless folks do that at home or a restaurant), but I'm not sure the alternative is too pleasant.

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[info]castalianspring
2006-12-20 04:31 am UTC (link)
Thank you. Very good points. Inverts don't fare too well in the fisheries industry. It's a very common practice to "ablate" or burn off the eyes of prawns in order to induce spawning, as well.

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[info]ladysorka
2006-12-19 05:51 am UTC (link)
Well, it's not one of the acceptable humane ways of killing them, to be certain. The first is to dissect it's head in on fell swoop, and the other is, I believe, to put them the fridge for half an hour which supposedly completely dulls the neverous system so they can't feel anything, and *then* to put them in heat (and boiling water is a bad way to cook lobster anyway, you need a moist but dry method, really). They die pretty much instantly.

But then, as lobsters have brains about the size of your average grasshopper and basically "water roaches" and I have no problem killing bugs, I have no problem killing lobsters.

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[info]redcoast
2006-12-19 09:05 pm UTC (link)
I thought the reason people feel sorry for lobster had to do with the myth going around that lobsters scream as they are plunged into boiling water. (Actually it's steam escaping from their shells.) Basically, the lobster has good PR. Cows don't.

God, I'm hungry. This is why I don't frequent sites campaigning against animal cruelty.

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