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Nyaaah ([info]glomobius) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2004-06-17 10:39:00
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Otherkin vs Otakukin
[[inspired by the business over here.]]

Any time Otherkin are mentioned/wanked about/discussed online, I always wonder how serious Otherkin feel about Otakukin.

Do you think they're silly? Do they cheapen your beliefs? Or are they perfectly okay and 'equal' to the 'real' Otherkin?

Thanks for your input! I'm really curious! :D

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[info]shoiryu
2004-06-17 04:54 pm UTC (link)
I tend to be very iffy, personally, on the idea of Otakukin- believing you're someone else's original character?- but I'm not about to go around bellowing "YOU ARE WRONG AND STUPID" at anybody...

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[info]bookshop
2004-06-17 05:13 pm UTC (link)
o.O Examples, please, for those of us new to the concept??

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[info]glomobius
2004-06-17 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Like... believing that one is the reincarnation of Vash the Stampede. From Trigun. Which is an anime.

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[info]bookshop
2004-06-17 05:18 pm UTC (link)
So basically, like Victoria Bitter believing she was channeling the soul of Samwise Gamgee or whatever and writing her journals in freaky made-up Hobbit languages?

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(no subject) - [info]glomobius, 2004-06-17 05:20 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]glomobius, 2004-06-17 05:42 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]glomobius, 2004-06-17 05:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-06-17 06:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]glomobius, 2004-06-18 04:47 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-06-17 05:55 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]snarl, 2004-06-17 11:48 pm UTC
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[info]rann
2004-06-17 05:53 pm UTC (link)
My initial response is "That's... stupid." However, you can state almost any religion in such a way that it SOUNDS really dumb and unbelievable.
"So, wait... you believe in this guy that's actually the SON of an all-knowing, all-powerful force? And this son guy got nailed to a tree, basically, and died... and then a few days later popped back to life? ... Temporarily? Um, okaaaay... (Garry Stu much...?)"
So, I do my best to think "Well, it's not really any more out there than some other stuff, so if they believe that, s'fine."

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[info]snarl
2004-06-17 06:28 pm UTC (link)
As someone on the other side of the debate: in terms of the metaphysics, they're not any more or less stupid than "normal" Otherkin.

From a sociological perspective, they seem to be pretty much everything I find objectionable about the Otherkin to the power of ten, with the added insult to the original creator, in that most of them feel if a work is emotionally powerful or profound (for them), then it can't be the product of human imagination, it has to have been the creator 'channeling' Their True Home Soul World OMG. It's more of the same 'less piss on the human experience' BS, just even more vile.

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[info]snarl
2004-06-17 11:18 pm UTC (link)
Was waiting for you to show up. Howdy.

I actually don't believe 90% of everyone is stupid, but that's because I understand statistics. Although it does depend on how 'stupid' is defined; arguably,since we don't even really have a clear definition of 'intelligent', the whole thing is pointless, anyway. Epistemology is not your friend, kids.

Sturgeon's law is far, far overused these days. Sure, everyone sucks. Doesn't mean some don't suck harder than others. Stop dragging it out at every damn occasion to justify bullshit.

(Ewww. Sagan.)

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[info]snarl
2004-06-17 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Uh, the 'to justify bullshit' stuff would be in general, not you personally. Just clarifyin'.

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[info]glomobius
2004-06-18 03:13 am UTC (link)
with the added insult to the original creator

Personally, if someone claimed to be the reincarnation (?) of one of my characters, I'd be supremely offended; if my characters exist anywhere, it's in MY head! XD

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[info]beccastareyes
2004-06-18 12:51 am UTC (link)
Disclaimer: I am not Otherkin or Otakukin. I have affinities towards certain animals, mythological beings, and fictional characters, and consider them personally signficiant. However, this is because I am me, not because I was one in a previous life, as far as I know.

Okay, I gues I see it like this. A have some friends who are... well, I don't really know how to describe their religion, but it involves a lot of mysticism, and one of the beliefs is reincarnation. I've listened to my friends describe some of the past lifes they think they've had. Most of these past lives are pretty ordinary for the time. My friends describe them as matter of fact as they would a friend I haven't met, and seem to see it as that life was a learning experience or had soemthing they needed to accomplish then -- small things, like being in the right place at the right time for someone else. They don't use it to lord it over another person. I also have friends who are Otherkin, and again we see this matter of fact attitude -- 'yes, I'm a dragon on the inside. That's the way I am, it doens't make me better than those who are human on the inside, and I still have to deal with being human on the outside, at least in this life.'

But, there are people who claim to be the reincarnation of 'insert historical person here'. and will get snitty over the mundanes -- not just for getting mocked over their beliefs (understandable) but for not being anyone particular in a past life. There are Otherkin like this as well. Once, I was talking about my mythological obsessions (I'm nuts over anything to do with the ocean) and was joking about the fact with this and my Irish/Scottish ancestry, maybe I was part selkie. A friend of mine looked at me and told me I couldn't be because I was 'hopelesly mundane'.

Otakukin seem to be more prone to this, in my opnion, because, like our famous-past-life people, they are named entities. An Otakukin is never 'Random Extra from Excel Saga' but is Sialro Moon or Lina Inverse.

Believe what you want, just don't think less of me because I think I am a (pretty strange) human on the inside, and that who/what I was (if anyone) doesn't matter as much as who I am. But you probably shouldn't bring up Otakukin status in fandom to prove a point -- after all, if there are an infinite number of universes (some of which hold anime characters) there are an infinite number of near misses. ^_^

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[info]plazmah
2004-06-18 02:16 am UTC (link)
*offers the Cupcake of OMFGILUVU!!!!!*

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[info]beccastareyes
2004-06-18 02:34 am UTC (link)
Woot! Cupcake!

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[info]glomobius
2004-06-18 03:28 am UTC (link)
Thank you very much for your input! :D

This made me giggle! ~ An Otakukin is never 'Random Extra from Excel Saga

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[info]snarl
2004-06-18 04:56 am UTC (link)
An Otakukin is never 'Random Extra from Excel Saga

Caveat: except in the communities devoted to mocking Otakukin.

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[info]glomobius
2004-06-18 05:15 am UTC (link)
Heh. Have you ever noticed that you use the word caveat way way too often?

Sorry for picking; it struck me as rather silly.

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[info]littlest_lurker
2004-06-18 04:17 am UTC (link)
You just said what I was thinking, but you sound so much more inteliigent and thoughtful than I would have.

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[info]beccastareyes
2004-06-18 05:04 am UTC (link)
Thank you very much.

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[info]beccastareyes
2004-06-18 07:37 am UTC (link)
Thankfully, my Christian friends are intelligent enough to figure out that telling me I'm going to hell will not get me to convert. I don't mind if other people think I'm wrong or deluded, but they can at least treat me politely, because I sure as hell ain't going to listen to someoone who is rude about it.

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[info]bookshop
2004-06-18 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Once, I was talking about my mythological obsessions (I'm nuts over anything to do with the ocean) and was joking about the fact with this and my Irish/Scottish ancestry, maybe I was part selkie. A friend of mine looked at me and told me I couldn't be because I was 'hopelesly mundane'.

See, I read this and I don't think it has anything to do with a particular belief system; I think it just has to do with your friend being an ass. :)

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[info]beccastareyes
2004-06-18 05:48 pm UTC (link)
I guess that's my point. All belief systems have people who are asses, it's just some seem more rpone to it than others.

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-06-18 08:00 pm UTC (link)
But, there are people who claim to be the reincarnation of 'insert historical person here'. and will get snitty over the mundanes -- not just for getting mocked over their beliefs (understandable) but for not being anyone particular in a past life. There are Otherkin like this as well. Once, I was talking about my mythological obsessions (I'm nuts over anything to do with the ocean) and was joking about the fact with this and my Irish/Scottish ancestry, maybe I was part selkie. A friend of mine looked at me and told me I couldn't be because I was 'hopelesly mundane'.

Is this who I think it is? If so, that's her assholishness and need to be perceived as the most special person in a group talking. If not... well, it's probably something similar.

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[info]beccastareyes
2004-06-18 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Yes, it's probably who you think it is.

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