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This is supposed to be funny, damnit! ([info]gloria_mundi) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2007-02-25 15:24:00


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Mistakes on the Star Wars Prequels
A friend of mine and I have been playing Lego Star Wars and because he's never seen Attack of The clones or Revenge of the Sith, I had to fill in the blanks and it got me to thinking.

What were the most serious, glaring errors in the prequels, writing wise? Lucas was supposed to have written out an overview for nine movies (The last three became Zhan's Heir to the Empire Trilogy of books as far as I know) at least, if not all the scripts. So what the hell happened? Where did he go wrong? Here's what I came up with.

First, let's establish a few things, just for a base:

-From Phantom Menance to Return of the Jedi, the overall story is the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Good people can become bad, but no matter how evil they become, how far they fall, if they want it, they deserve a chance at redemption, if they are willing to pay the price.

-The romances are largely irrelavant to the overall story

-Lucas plotted the six movies to be one to six, not four to six and then one to three. That we see them out of order was a decision on his part.

-As an addendum, plotting a story is very different to writing a story. Plotting is planning out the journey. Writing is taking it and there's all those unplanned stops and side trips along the way. We're focusing more on the writing instead of the plotting here.


So let's start with A New Hope and old Ben Kenobi. A lot of fans complained about things like the Midiclorians or Qui-Gon, because Kenobi never mentioned them in any of the original movies. What they overlooked is that Yoda and Ben were the last two Jedi that they knew of, and that Ben was a master of the half-truth. Ben and Yoda were training Luke not to resurect the Jedi Order, but rather to be a guided missle pointed at Vader and the Emperor. Ben told Luke only what he needed to know. No more, no less. Midiclorins were irrelavant, so was Qui-Gon and the procephy. All Luke needed to know was; This is what the Force is and this is how to use a lightsaber. Vader killed your father and took out the Jedi. You're the last hope for peace. Go for it.

That's exactly what Ben did. Yoda only filled in the blanks after Luke pressed him for the truth.

The Phantom Menace

Queen Amidala is mistake number one. Lucas probably wanted to make her important enough that Qui-Gon and Obi-Won had to get her off Naboo and back to Coruscant, but her being a princess and the only survivor of the royal family works just as well. The costuming could just be a cultural thing or a disguise. However, in a sense, it was also a brilliant insight into the character, since Amidala is a distant and remote person, while Padme is much more likable and willing to get her hands dirty, showed by her willingness to clean up R2-D2. If she was really an arrogant bitch, the bodygaurd pretending to be her never would have ordered her to do it. That makes the relavation that Padme is the queen much more powerful. However, where Lucas slipped up was the election business. That was stupid. Why would you elect a queen who then serves the same function as a Prime Minister or President? That makes no sense.

Mistake number two was the procephy was that there would be someone to bring balance to the Force. The Jedi assumed it would be the elimination of the Sith and paid for it with their lives. Qui-Gon could have simply taken Anakin on due to his high midiclorin count. Midiclorin didn't even have to be a life-form. Just a technical term. If Lucas really wanted to throw in a Chosen One bit, he could have done it a hell of a lot different. Perhaps his personal feeling was that the Force needed Balancing, or that he felt that taking Anakin on was the right thing to do. None of it takes away from Evil Anakin leading the attack on the Jedi Temple and killing everybody. The important part was that Anakin falls. You don't need a procephy for that.

So, they land on Tatooine and we meet Anakin Skywalker. He's a good kid, pure of heart, generous and giving, a veritable saint. He's also a pilot. Oh, and he built C-3PO. That was mistake number three. There was no point in Anakin building a droid. That he built the Podracer was proof enough of his skills. Building a droid is going overboard. C3-PO could have just as easily been part of Padme's contingent on the silvery space-ship, or picked up on Coruscant. There was no reason at all to have Anakin build him. The sole justification I can think of was to get started on the R2-D2/C3-PO snark as early as possible. Which is bad form.

Moving on, Jar-Jar was mistake number four. Again, this is bad writing. Not that he was a klutz, but that Lucas wrote him deliberately as a comedic character and even that wouldn't be such a sin, but it was played up so damn much that Jar-Jar's desire to be helpful despite his klutziness, and his fierce loyalty to his friends was completely overlooked by the viewing audience. That it was those same qaulities that led Jar-Jar to back Palpatine's proposal and give him the opening wedge to turning the Republic into the Empire is a metaphor for the Road to Hell being paved with Good Intentions was instead greeted with "LOL, Jar-Jar screwed up!", if noticed at all.

Mistake number five would have to be Anakin blowing up the Droid Ship. Granted, the droid army had to be stopped before the Gungans got wiped out, but again, there's other ways. Break the planetside relay, perhaps. All Lucas was doing was hammering the "great pilot" at us again. Blah.

Darth Maul getting stomped might be considered mistake number six, but on the other hand, Darth Maul was the bad guy and had to be dealt with. The rules of conflict in fiction state that the hero or heros must be given a challenge that they are capable of beating. Sure the Trade Federation could fill this role, but Sidious would need them later to secure control of the Senate and other things, so Maul makes more sense. I would argue that Maul was less important to the overall plot than the Trade Federation, so he had to go.

Attack of the Clones.

This is probably the most mistake-free movie of the prequels. Really, there are only three

Mistake one was Dexter, the diner dude. He was irrelavant, or at least was poorly thought out. His purpose was to provide exposition for Kamino and that's fine, since Dooku wiped Kamino from the Jedi Archives to begin with, which demonstrates Sidious's reach and power. However, there was no need to have him run a diner. A club or bar or something. I can buy Obi-Wan knowing Dexter, but the presentation left so much to be desired.

Mistake number two was Jango Fett. Having him be Boba Fett, and really, having Boba Fett be the clone doner makes Empire and Jedi more interesting since you don't know if he's the real one or a clone.

Mistake Three is an iffy, as in its more of a personal taste issue then a glaring mistake. I have serious issues with Mace Windu saying the line "This party's over" on Genosia. Sure, it sounds cool, but it clashes with the tone of the SW universe and Mace's character. It just does not fit.

One might also quibble about Yoda speaking several sentances normally in the film, but honestly, he did that once or twice in Empire and Jedi as well. Some things you just cannot parse into Yoda speak without it being so clumsy and awkward that its just not worth it.

Revenge of the Sith

Most of the mistakes here are in the last half of the film. Pacing wise, this is where the audience is supposed to start realizing that something is up with good old Palpatine, if they haven't already. "Say, he's being a little creepy there. And there. What? Wait. HOLY SHIT! HE'S DARTH SIDIOUS!"

However, Revenge is also where Lucas majorly screwed up for the very simple reason that later generations are much more likley to watch the movies 1-2-3-4-5-6, rather then 4-5-6-1-2-3. We already knew the what, we're interested in the why. Fair enough, but, when you take the relavations that Vader is Anakin or that Leia is Luke's sister in Empire and Jedi, having this be known in Revenge lessens the effects of things like Vader torturing Leia on the Death Star, or telling Luke that he is his father, or that Leia and Luke are siblings, their impact on the audience is lessened, because hey, we knew that already in episode 3. Big whoop. Oh hey, look, Lucas has family issues. Yippie.

What Lucas could have done was leave Padme alive and Leia unamed at the end of three. Having her die in childbirth ruins Leia's remembering her mother on Endor while Luke has no memory of her. Lucas could also have led us believe Anakin died in the lava and simply show Vader joining the Emperor at the window to gaze upon the Death Star.

So in closing, the prequel's achilles heel is that Lucas wrote only for his audience now, and not the audience to come. In the end, that's going to be the end of the franchise. In forty years or so, when Lucas' estate or whatever company buys the rights decides to remake the movies, whether or not the new filmmakers learn from Lucas' mistakes should prove interesting.


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[info]polygamouse
2007-02-26 01:12 am UTC (link)
What Lucas could have done was leave Padme alive and Leia unamed at the end of three. Having her die in childbirth ruins Leia's remembering her mother on Endor while Luke has no memory of her. Lucas could also have led us believe Anakin died in the lava and simply show Vader joining the Emperor at the window to gaze upon the Death Star.

Oh, for God's sake, yes! Frankly, I thought that all of the prequels felt like movies that were written by someone who only had a vague recollection of the original trilogy. Revenge of the Sith was the worst, but the other movies weren't a whole lot better -- for example, in relation to the prequels, how does Uncle Owen's and Aunt Beru's conversation about Luke having too much of his father in him make any damn sense? They talked to Anakin for what? Fifteen minutes? Or were they basing the comparisons on Shmi's stories about little, prepubescent Annie? Whatever. Ewan McGregor is hot.

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ealusaid
2007-02-26 01:25 am UTC (link)
I forget which author said it, but I remember distinctly an FAQ going something like this:

Q: Are you going to write any more of (series)?
A: I believe the Star Wars prequels are George Lucas's personal revenge on every single fan who has ever asked him this question. Be careful what you wish for.

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[info]soupspooks
2007-02-26 02:06 am UTC (link)
I thought Leia remembered her adopted mother, not her biological one. That's sort of the impression I got.

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[info]kadath
2007-02-26 01:23 am UTC (link)
What were the most serious, glaring errors in the prequels, writing wise?

Ahahahahaha!

Oh, you were serious.

Lucas was supposed to have written out an overview for nine movies (The last three became Zhan's Heir to the Empire Trilogy of books as far as I know) at least, if not all the scripts.

LIES. Lucas is so full of it.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2007-02-26 12:24 pm UTC

[info]angelhunter
2007-02-26 01:36 am UTC (link)
I am only a Starwars fan by proxy, because a very good friend of mine is a total Starwars geek.

And Lucas having written the outline for 9 movies? Yeah, right. And my grandmom is the empress of China.

I'll never forgive him for killing off Qui-Gon. Never. He totally pwned Obi-Wan.

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[info]ladysorka
2007-02-26 01:36 am UTC (link)
The biggest problems with the prequels is that Lucas wrote them. He can plot. I won't deny that he can plot. But he writes for shit. His dialogue is horrid, his romance is... worse than horrid, and he mainly wants to go "look! Look what my shiny special effects department can do!"

I don't think it's any coincidence that the film widely considered to be the best, ESB (though, of course, there is debate), was neither written nor directed by Lucas. Lucas gets great ideas, and he's amazing at getting people together to make shiny special effects.

But neither writing nor directing is, uh, exactly his strongpoint.

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[info]esclaramonde
2007-02-26 02:01 am UTC (link)
Something I have to add is that the level of and changes in technology from the prequels to the trilogy make no sense. They tried to show that technology had advanced in the way that it normally does by having the ... did they call them anything in the movies? Holograms? be really, really messy in the prequels, but then the ships in the prequels are these beautiful CGI things and in the trilogy they're dirty and sort of clumsy. Now, it could have been done so that everything in the prequels was shiny and clean and well-oiled, while everything in the trilogy was dirty and beaten up and not working properly, showing that when the Empire took over everything took a downturn, or they could have had the prequels be grittier-looking than the trilogy to show that technology and everything advanced, but no.

Sorry, pet peeve.

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(no subject) - [info]gloria_mundi, 2007-02-26 03:54 am UTC
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[info]miss_eponine
2007-02-26 02:01 am UTC (link)
Lego Star Wars love! Those games are fantastic. My husband and I played through both of them together, and we had such a great time.

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[info]jeedai
2007-02-26 02:03 am UTC (link)
Lucas was supposed to have written out an overview for nine movies (The last three became Zhan's Heir to the Empire Trilogy of books as far as I know)

That may be the official story, but I wouldn't put money on it actually being the truth. ANH for example was a very self-contained film-- nobody working on it at the time thought there was going to be a sequel, and so it had to be work on its own. And I refuse to believe that they wrote in all the twincesty goodness knowing Luke and Leia were going to be related.

As for the Thrawn books, Zahn wrote the outlines and plotted them himself-- The Powers That Be shot down ideas they didn't like, but didn't give him anything to work with other than an era and a list of characters.


[/EU nerdery]

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(no subject) - [info]seppuku, 2007-02-26 04:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dunc, 2007-02-26 07:15 am UTC
Both theories could be true - [info]karmakaze, 2007-02-26 02:38 pm UTC

[info]soupspooks
2007-02-26 02:12 am UTC (link)
I know you mentioned the droids, but the problem I have is that they never *elaborated* on Anakin's skill with machinery. They never brought it back. It was a tiny plot device in the first movie, but they never kept up with it. It's like the issue I had with some of the later books, where Jacen, Jaina and Anakin all had need personality quirks and skills which got tossed out the window around Vector Prime. If they had made use of Anakin's prowess with machinery, it would have been a lot cooler. I was happy he built C3P0, because in *my* mind, it gave Luke a legacy from his parents that he was basically unaware of: the droids.

Also, as for Amidala being royalty that was elected... some people like their royalty? *shrugs* That's why the former british colonies still recognize the Queen as their head of state, when doesn't do a heck of a lot more than smile and wave. Oh, and telling the Canadian Prime Minister to shut the hell up about gay marriage. That was awesome too. Mr Harper kept reopening the debate.

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[info]demonbean
2007-02-26 02:41 am UTC (link)
One of the main problems was that the first three moves (i.e., 4-5-6) had an amazing plot, average cast-writing, and (at the time) amazing special effects. It came out to an amazing movie, but the special effects didn't drive the whole production. In the second set of movies, it was a lot more, "I will distract you from this awful line with hovering fruit!"*
And, by the way, I completely agree with your suggested ending. I will now pretend that that's what happened in the movies.

*Insert M15M joke about floating people's fruit here. That one still makes me giggle uncontrollably.

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[info]waltraute
2007-02-26 02:50 am UTC (link)
I only saw the first of the prequels, and what I remember is sitting there yawning through some bullshit about a trade embargo, and some politicking, and something else...

FFS, George, if you're going to try to do empires and intrigue, make it MOVE instead of crawling along.

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[info]phosfate
2007-02-26 03:57 am UTC (link)
Lucas was supposed to have written out an overview for nine movies (The last three became Zhan's Heir to the Empire Trilogy of books as far as I know) at least, if not all the scripts.

This is probably a big fat fib. Lucas is master of retconning the whole story-behind-the-story of Star Wars, and any tales of the whole series being planned out from the beginning -- or at all -- have never been substantiated.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2007-02-26 05:11 am UTC (link)
The thing that really irks me about the prequels is the way Lucas screwed up the timeline of the story by deciding that he wanted the Empire to rise and fall with Anakin. In the original trilogy, if you listen to people talk about the Empire and the Old Republic, it sounds like this political situation is at least a few generations old. But no, really it's just been around twenty years.

Dude, WTF? That makes no sense. Twenty years for the public opinion of an entire galaxy to go from "hooray Palpatine! Protect us from ourselves!" to "wow, this evil empire thing sucks, but there's nothing anyone can do about the way things are" in a couple of decades? No. Doesn't happen. I think the plot would have worked just as well if Lucas hadn't insisted on making Palpatine the first Emperor, without causing the story to contradict itself in so many places.

Also, the clone troopers piss me off. I can understand why the Empire would need to clones to generate a military that size so fast, but it just isn't anywhere as scary as having that number of ordinary people who were willing to fight for a cause as evil as the Empire. Walking Xeroxes of one guy are boring, man.

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[info]white_serpent
2007-02-26 05:27 am UTC (link)
I think you're missing some errors in AotC. ...Worst...Star Wars...movie...ever.

Let's see; I haven't seen it since it came out on DVD, but, as I recall, there's a mysterious problem of how people dumped out of their vehicle in the middle of a chase can possibly catch up to the people they're following when they don't know where the hell they're going.

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(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2007-02-26 05:58 am UTC

[info]sashenka
2007-02-26 06:00 am UTC (link)
$10 says Lucas didn't even plan out Luke and Leia being twins until he was writing RotJ.

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Edited for clarity... - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-02-26 06:54 am UTC
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[info]dunc
2007-02-26 07:27 am UTC (link)
Honestly, I doubt Lucas had anything but fairly vague ideas about the prequels until he actually decided to start making them. The one big thing that would have improved them was if he spent more time polishing and working on his story and script. Check out the early drafts of ANH - they're total crap and full of fauxmythtechnobabble, kinda like the prequels at times.

But... ::shrug:: Honestly I'm kinda glad that, as a SW fan, I was never all that invested in the prestory. Makes it a lot easier to simply accept the prequels in their far-from-perfect state and move the hell on.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2007-02-26 12:35 pm UTC

[info]xero_sky
2007-02-26 07:43 am UTC (link)
(Previous comment deleted for teal deer infestation.)

I honestly could not figure out why they were trying to make a mystery out of Palpatine being the Emperor. It added nothing to the story and just gave us a lot of shots of Palpatine with his hood dragged down almost to his chin. Also, I remember the first Star Wars novelization stating his name flat-out on the first page.

Thanks, George. Also, WTF kind of name is Palpatine anyway?

Much love, though, for making the Yoda/Dooku fight awesome. Pity it wasn't in a better film.

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2007-02-26 09:03 am UTC (link)
I actually liked the idea of the prophecy, that Qui-Gon had this thing he really believed in, but it turned out to be not at all what he expected.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2007-02-26 12:36 pm UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2007-02-26 09:17 am UTC (link)
A lot of fans complained about things like the Midiclorians or Qui-Gon, because Kenobi never mentioned them in any of the original movies.

That's not what I disliked about the Midiclorians. What got to me was that the Force is supposed to be all Mystical with a capital M, and then they go and make it something that you can test for by taking a tissue/blood/hair samples and sticking into a machine. Blergh.

That was stupid. Why would you elect a queen who then serves the same function as a Prime Minister or President? That makes no sense.

That really got to me too (in addition to her being 14 years old, WTF?). If I were to play devil's advocate, I could conceive of a government were national leadership is hereditary, but where a dynasty can be dethroned and replaced by a 3/4 vote of the senate or populace. Buuuut, if you're gonna have some weird-ass hybrid government like that, you should explain it.

Pacing wise, this is where the audience is supposed to start realizing that something is up with good old Palpatine, if they haven't already.

The thing is, I figured this out the very first time I saw him in the first movie, and I hadn't read any of the novels or read any spoilers, just him being introduced as a senator and me thinking "There's something Not Quite Right about this dude". I have no idea what it was, because I'm pretty sure there was no Ominous Music of Doom playing in the background or anything. Maybe the way the camera did the closeup? Anyways, whatever it was, they should have fixed it.

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[info]azazello
2007-02-26 09:36 am UTC (link)
There are sorta paradigms for an elective monarchy in history. Lucas is not totally out to lunch on that one:

1. The Mongol Khans. The big Mongol invasion of Europe was (luckily for us all) halted when Chinghiz (Ghengis) died and the tribes had to rush back and confirm his successor (even though it was his son, he could only be confirmed by a universal vote of all the tribes).

2. Some scholars argue that the Russian Tsar became temporarily elective following the death of Fedor I and the ending of the Riurikovich dynasty. Boris Godunov was (sorta) determined as a successor by an assembly of the land, and Mikhail Romanov was also offered the crown by similar. However other scholars argue that the latter was more of a last candidate left standing after the Time of Troubles. However, once Mikhail was Tsar, his descendents followed in the traditional way.

3. The Holy Roman Emperor was elected

4. The Polish Crown was elected.

The Queen of Naboo's role is largely ceremonial, with strong suggestion that there are checks and balances and her power is constitutionally hedged.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2007-02-26 12:31 pm UTC

[info]notjo
2007-02-26 12:41 pm UTC (link)
I always thought that Dooku having told the truth when he was talking to the Jedi in the second movie would have been much more interesting than Dooku having been lying to cover himself. Dooku trying to convince the Jedi counsil that he truly had the truth - that he was there to help them and prevent the Emperor from winning - would have been fun. Especially if they killed him.

Do *not* get me started on Amidala dying the way she did, because we will be here all day. My god.

(And it will go into how no women speak in the third movie except Amidala.)

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[info]bitca
2007-02-26 04:41 pm UTC (link)
A New Sith.

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(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2007-02-26 05:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bitca, 2007-02-26 05:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2007-02-26 06:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kahteh, 2007-02-26 06:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2007-02-27 06:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2007-02-27 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]marciamarcia, 2007-02-28 10:56 pm UTC

[info]gabsy
2007-02-27 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Another thing?

In my novelisation of RotJ, it clearly says that Uncle Owen is actually Obi-Wan's brother. Which would really make more sense, that Obi-Wan, seeing that the Skywalker children were not safe, separated them: 1 to be adopted in Alderaan, the other to be sent to HIS brother, on HIS planet of Tatooine.

Because I don't like the: hey, wouldn't it be a good idea to let Luke KEEP HIS NAME, then sent him on HIS FATHER'S HOME PLANET to live with his HALF-BROTHER?!

Small pet peeve of mine.

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(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2007-02-27 11:29 pm UTC

[info]marciamarcia
2007-02-28 11:01 pm UTC (link)
My plotting pet peeve (or maybe it's more of an acting/directing pet peeve): Making Anaking creepy and snarly from his first appearance in the second film.

There's no way I can suspend my disbelief long enough to think that Yoda or somebody wouldn't have spent two minutes with that kid and said, "hey, somethings wrong here."

Worse, that characterization ruined the romance part more than Lucas' admittedly bad writing ever could. I can get past clunky "I heart you's." I can't get past thinking, "Wow, this reminds me of the first half of a Lifetime domestic abuse movie." They made him too creepy and stalkerish for Padme to just be, "OK, I love you now!" and not have it come off like he's pulled a Jedi mind trick on her or something.

Needless to say, I didn't like the second movie very much.

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