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This is supposed to be funny, damnit! ([info]gloria_mundi) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2007-02-25 15:24:00


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Mistakes on the Star Wars Prequels
A friend of mine and I have been playing Lego Star Wars and because he's never seen Attack of The clones or Revenge of the Sith, I had to fill in the blanks and it got me to thinking.

What were the most serious, glaring errors in the prequels, writing wise? Lucas was supposed to have written out an overview for nine movies (The last three became Zhan's Heir to the Empire Trilogy of books as far as I know) at least, if not all the scripts. So what the hell happened? Where did he go wrong? Here's what I came up with.

First, let's establish a few things, just for a base:

-From Phantom Menance to Return of the Jedi, the overall story is the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Good people can become bad, but no matter how evil they become, how far they fall, if they want it, they deserve a chance at redemption, if they are willing to pay the price.

-The romances are largely irrelavant to the overall story

-Lucas plotted the six movies to be one to six, not four to six and then one to three. That we see them out of order was a decision on his part.

-As an addendum, plotting a story is very different to writing a story. Plotting is planning out the journey. Writing is taking it and there's all those unplanned stops and side trips along the way. We're focusing more on the writing instead of the plotting here.


So let's start with A New Hope and old Ben Kenobi. A lot of fans complained about things like the Midiclorians or Qui-Gon, because Kenobi never mentioned them in any of the original movies. What they overlooked is that Yoda and Ben were the last two Jedi that they knew of, and that Ben was a master of the half-truth. Ben and Yoda were training Luke not to resurect the Jedi Order, but rather to be a guided missle pointed at Vader and the Emperor. Ben told Luke only what he needed to know. No more, no less. Midiclorins were irrelavant, so was Qui-Gon and the procephy. All Luke needed to know was; This is what the Force is and this is how to use a lightsaber. Vader killed your father and took out the Jedi. You're the last hope for peace. Go for it.

That's exactly what Ben did. Yoda only filled in the blanks after Luke pressed him for the truth.

The Phantom Menace

Queen Amidala is mistake number one. Lucas probably wanted to make her important enough that Qui-Gon and Obi-Won had to get her off Naboo and back to Coruscant, but her being a princess and the only survivor of the royal family works just as well. The costuming could just be a cultural thing or a disguise. However, in a sense, it was also a brilliant insight into the character, since Amidala is a distant and remote person, while Padme is much more likable and willing to get her hands dirty, showed by her willingness to clean up R2-D2. If she was really an arrogant bitch, the bodygaurd pretending to be her never would have ordered her to do it. That makes the relavation that Padme is the queen much more powerful. However, where Lucas slipped up was the election business. That was stupid. Why would you elect a queen who then serves the same function as a Prime Minister or President? That makes no sense.

Mistake number two was the procephy was that there would be someone to bring balance to the Force. The Jedi assumed it would be the elimination of the Sith and paid for it with their lives. Qui-Gon could have simply taken Anakin on due to his high midiclorin count. Midiclorin didn't even have to be a life-form. Just a technical term. If Lucas really wanted to throw in a Chosen One bit, he could have done it a hell of a lot different. Perhaps his personal feeling was that the Force needed Balancing, or that he felt that taking Anakin on was the right thing to do. None of it takes away from Evil Anakin leading the attack on the Jedi Temple and killing everybody. The important part was that Anakin falls. You don't need a procephy for that.

So, they land on Tatooine and we meet Anakin Skywalker. He's a good kid, pure of heart, generous and giving, a veritable saint. He's also a pilot. Oh, and he built C-3PO. That was mistake number three. There was no point in Anakin building a droid. That he built the Podracer was proof enough of his skills. Building a droid is going overboard. C3-PO could have just as easily been part of Padme's contingent on the silvery space-ship, or picked up on Coruscant. There was no reason at all to have Anakin build him. The sole justification I can think of was to get started on the R2-D2/C3-PO snark as early as possible. Which is bad form.

Moving on, Jar-Jar was mistake number four. Again, this is bad writing. Not that he was a klutz, but that Lucas wrote him deliberately as a comedic character and even that wouldn't be such a sin, but it was played up so damn much that Jar-Jar's desire to be helpful despite his klutziness, and his fierce loyalty to his friends was completely overlooked by the viewing audience. That it was those same qaulities that led Jar-Jar to back Palpatine's proposal and give him the opening wedge to turning the Republic into the Empire is a metaphor for the Road to Hell being paved with Good Intentions was instead greeted with "LOL, Jar-Jar screwed up!", if noticed at all.

Mistake number five would have to be Anakin blowing up the Droid Ship. Granted, the droid army had to be stopped before the Gungans got wiped out, but again, there's other ways. Break the planetside relay, perhaps. All Lucas was doing was hammering the "great pilot" at us again. Blah.

Darth Maul getting stomped might be considered mistake number six, but on the other hand, Darth Maul was the bad guy and had to be dealt with. The rules of conflict in fiction state that the hero or heros must be given a challenge that they are capable of beating. Sure the Trade Federation could fill this role, but Sidious would need them later to secure control of the Senate and other things, so Maul makes more sense. I would argue that Maul was less important to the overall plot than the Trade Federation, so he had to go.

Attack of the Clones.

This is probably the most mistake-free movie of the prequels. Really, there are only three

Mistake one was Dexter, the diner dude. He was irrelavant, or at least was poorly thought out. His purpose was to provide exposition for Kamino and that's fine, since Dooku wiped Kamino from the Jedi Archives to begin with, which demonstrates Sidious's reach and power. However, there was no need to have him run a diner. A club or bar or something. I can buy Obi-Wan knowing Dexter, but the presentation left so much to be desired.

Mistake number two was Jango Fett. Having him be Boba Fett, and really, having Boba Fett be the clone doner makes Empire and Jedi more interesting since you don't know if he's the real one or a clone.

Mistake Three is an iffy, as in its more of a personal taste issue then a glaring mistake. I have serious issues with Mace Windu saying the line "This party's over" on Genosia. Sure, it sounds cool, but it clashes with the tone of the SW universe and Mace's character. It just does not fit.

One might also quibble about Yoda speaking several sentances normally in the film, but honestly, he did that once or twice in Empire and Jedi as well. Some things you just cannot parse into Yoda speak without it being so clumsy and awkward that its just not worth it.

Revenge of the Sith

Most of the mistakes here are in the last half of the film. Pacing wise, this is where the audience is supposed to start realizing that something is up with good old Palpatine, if they haven't already. "Say, he's being a little creepy there. And there. What? Wait. HOLY SHIT! HE'S DARTH SIDIOUS!"

However, Revenge is also where Lucas majorly screwed up for the very simple reason that later generations are much more likley to watch the movies 1-2-3-4-5-6, rather then 4-5-6-1-2-3. We already knew the what, we're interested in the why. Fair enough, but, when you take the relavations that Vader is Anakin or that Leia is Luke's sister in Empire and Jedi, having this be known in Revenge lessens the effects of things like Vader torturing Leia on the Death Star, or telling Luke that he is his father, or that Leia and Luke are siblings, their impact on the audience is lessened, because hey, we knew that already in episode 3. Big whoop. Oh hey, look, Lucas has family issues. Yippie.

What Lucas could have done was leave Padme alive and Leia unamed at the end of three. Having her die in childbirth ruins Leia's remembering her mother on Endor while Luke has no memory of her. Lucas could also have led us believe Anakin died in the lava and simply show Vader joining the Emperor at the window to gaze upon the Death Star.

So in closing, the prequel's achilles heel is that Lucas wrote only for his audience now, and not the audience to come. In the end, that's going to be the end of the franchise. In forty years or so, when Lucas' estate or whatever company buys the rights decides to remake the movies, whether or not the new filmmakers learn from Lucas' mistakes should prove interesting.


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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2007-02-26 05:11 am UTC (link)
The thing that really irks me about the prequels is the way Lucas screwed up the timeline of the story by deciding that he wanted the Empire to rise and fall with Anakin. In the original trilogy, if you listen to people talk about the Empire and the Old Republic, it sounds like this political situation is at least a few generations old. But no, really it's just been around twenty years.

Dude, WTF? That makes no sense. Twenty years for the public opinion of an entire galaxy to go from "hooray Palpatine! Protect us from ourselves!" to "wow, this evil empire thing sucks, but there's nothing anyone can do about the way things are" in a couple of decades? No. Doesn't happen. I think the plot would have worked just as well if Lucas hadn't insisted on making Palpatine the first Emperor, without causing the story to contradict itself in so many places.

Also, the clone troopers piss me off. I can understand why the Empire would need to clones to generate a military that size so fast, but it just isn't anywhere as scary as having that number of ordinary people who were willing to fight for a cause as evil as the Empire. Walking Xeroxes of one guy are boring, man.

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[info]exdee
2007-02-26 05:59 am UTC (link)
but it just isn't anywhere as scary as having that number of ordinary people who were willing to fight for a cause as evil as the Empire.

That's a huge flaw in the clone army, I think, that it's just another faceless monster to fight instead of real people...which is certainly an issue with many war movies, but I think it happens far too often in fantasy/sci-fi that the enemy is just alien or sub-human and the people who look most like us are the heroes.

If I recall correctly, there wasn't much in the OT in the way of specifics regarding the Clone Wars. It could have been about anything. Hey, maybe it could have been about the Republic denying the legal status and rights of clones and the clones rebel and Palpatine supports them and he just happens to weasel that into completely running things...
...goddammit, George. Now you've got me with bunnies. This cannot be. I'm not even supposed to be on the internet. I've got three exams this week. And I haven't wrote fic since freshman year. And that's a pretty damn alternate universe we're talking here. And...oh jeez. *flails*

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[info]your_face
2007-02-26 06:41 am UTC (link)
But no, really it's just been around twenty years.

Anyone else imagine Anakin&Co as having been significantly older than the prequels make them out to be? That twenty years thing really threw me.

but it just isn't anywhere as scary as having that number of ordinary people who were willing to fight for a cause as evil as the Empire.

Am I crazy or do I remember something from the OT (or perhaps one of the books?) about people Luke knew on Tatooine joining up? (I know some book had Han Solo as a rookie Stormtrooper, but that's not what I'm thinking of. I just remember getting the impression that it was like any other military service.)

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[info]xero_sky
2007-02-26 07:24 am UTC (link)
IIRC, there's a few lines about Luke wanting to join 'the Academy' or something similar, and being ticked off at his Uncle Owen because they can't afford to send him or just won't do it. Beru says something along the lines of "All his friends are doing it." I definitely had the idea that you could enlist.

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[info]rogue
2007-02-26 08:20 am UTC (link)
That's a big EU canon fuckup. I'd be willing to bet Lucas took the idea of clones from Zhan's work, with the theory that the Emperor was able to control the army kind of subtly through the Force since they were all stooopid clones.

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[info]prettypinkkitty
2007-02-26 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Dude, even Lucas did - at the end of RotJ, the Anakin we see is someone in his mid-fifties.

Also, books w/Han Solo as rookie Stormtrooper = the hot.

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-02-26 08:59 am UTC (link)
The clones could explain the quick turnaround in public opinion. Once Palpetine has the means to mass produce unwaveringly loyal troops, he can go about opressing the masses any which way he wants, since he clone army will never defect, and he'll never have any reqcruitment problems.

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[info]notjo
2007-02-26 12:39 pm UTC (link)
How about the total dimissal from people who would have been alive during the time of the Jedi of Vader's mystical powers? Damn, what's that line in the first movie? Something about how we don't believe in your silly force?

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[info]esclaramonde
2007-02-26 03:56 pm UTC (link)
The books also made it seem like a much longer time between the present and the Jedi purge, I think.

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[info]pariforma
2007-02-26 10:33 pm UTC (link)
The thing that really irks me about the prequels is the way Lucas screwed up the timeline of the story by deciding that he wanted the Empire to rise and fall with Anakin. In the original trilogy, if you listen to people talk about the Empire and the Old Republic, it sounds like this political situation is at least a few generations old. But no, really it's just been around twenty years.

That has bugged me a lot, too. The Empire isn't old enough to generate the kind of despair and bravado we see in the first movies; it isn't old enough for people to have forgotten the Jedi so completely; it isn't old enough for Ben Kenobi to be safe *wearing a traditional Jedi habit when the Emperor is killing off all the Jedi*. That also bugs the hell out of me. Old Kenobi's costume made sense as the clothing of a desert dwelling (far more so than what Luke and his family wore). But those robes do not look like practical uniforms for people who wave long weapons that burn and cut things. (Even if the samurai did wear similar outfits once upon a time--they didn't have *lightsabers*.)

*wanders off grumbling about other problems with the prequel trilogy...*

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[info]kittenmommy
2007-02-27 06:22 pm UTC (link)
The thing that really irks me about the prequels is the way Lucas screwed up the timeline of the story by deciding that he wanted the Empire to rise and fall with Anakin. In the original trilogy, if you listen to people talk about the Empire and the Old Republic, it sounds like this political situation is at least a few generations old. But no, really it's just been around twenty years.

Yeah - and in twenty years, Obi-Wan went from being in his late teens/early twenties to being an old, old man. Sure.

And that's only one of the minor problems I have with the prequels. [eyeroll]

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