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sarai ([info]sarai) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2007-08-11 21:26:00


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Because I wasn't sure if clairvoyantwank would accept this (there are very little lulz in this report, unfortuntely):

thevelvetsun has a petition post calling for the LJ team to permenantly suspect the proanorexia comm. Not surprisingly, a lot of people support it.

However, there's a lot of wank brewing in the comments to the separate discussion entry in which defenders of the comm snipe back and forth with people who support [info]thevelvetsun's cause.

And this post makes an argument against shutting down proanorexia.

So you can guess how the rest of the argument is going to turn out.


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[info]velvetwhip
2007-08-11 05:49 pm UTC (link)
No. But the statement you made was far more general:

Giving people (especially minors) step-by-step instructions on how to kill themselves is not generally covered under free speech.

That is the statement I was addressing. I am sorry that you are obviously angry with me. I do not endorse anorexia or bulimia. I was merely pointing out my feelings about free speech.


Gabrielle

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[info]airawyn
2007-08-11 05:59 pm UTC (link)
I feel like your comments here were really condescending to people who are against the proanorexia comm.

I understand that this is a borderline issue, and I think that it's a valid argument to say that we shouldn't stop proanorexics from being able to have discussions. I just think it's also valid to say that the people on the pro-ana comm have taken the discussion to an area which is extremely dangerous and no longer covered under free speech.

I don't know if the comm should be banned outright, but I think there needs to be some accountability. Because no matter what's allowed under free speech, I think every person needs to take personal responsibility for what they're saying, or in the mods' case, promoting.

Anyway, I'm sorry for being harsh. This whole issue pushes multiple buttons for me.

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[info]velvetwhip
2007-08-11 06:08 pm UTC (link)
There was no intention on my part to be condescending and I am sorry my remarks were taken that way. I just feel very passionately about free speech.

I am glad we've cleared things up.


Gabrielle

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[info]alexia75
2007-08-11 06:10 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I'm just bored of free speech being trotted out for everything. I used to be idealistic, now I'm bitter.

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[info]telophase
2007-08-11 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Especially when it comes to an arena that's not actually public - LJ's hosted on private servers, not a public square. Censorship and free speech are concepts that don't really apply to private space, even if there's nothing stopping anyone from going there, because they have to do with actions taken or not taken by governments, not private companies.

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purplefeen
2007-08-11 09:32 pm UTC (link)
I feel like your comments here were really condescending to people who are against the proanorexia comm

And here I thought she was being nice by not stating that what she said is, in fact, the law, not just her opinion. It seems much more a general comment about freedom of speech and implied nothing about the anorexia issue.

Because no matter what's allowed under free speech, I think every person needs to take personal responsibility for what they're saying, or in the mods' case, promoting.

Hear, hear, I completely agree. So maybe next time you'll stop and think about what someone actually said before you go off on them about you think they said.

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[info]airawyn
2007-08-11 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Live Journal != U.S. government. This is not a legal issue.

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purplefeen
2007-08-11 09:50 pm UTC (link)
No, its not, its a policy issue. The problem is, many of those working to have pro-anorexia shut down are using the "harmful to children" law to back up their statements - probably because LJ is using that argument when they delete journals. They seem to want LJ to enforce that same rule to all journals, which seems fair to me. But that's not the point the other comment was trying to make, it seems to me. He/She seemed to be saying that if fandom people want freedom of speech - as granted, most claim they do - then they have to allow freedom of speech. Which again, seems fair to me. I understand both sides of this issue, which is why I haven't taken a side. I'm just monitoring the possible political/legal ramifications of the whole ordeal. It'll be intersting if any laws get changed because of this, don't you think?

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(no subject) - [info]airawyn, 2007-08-11 10:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:07 pm UTC

[info]tez
2007-08-11 06:48 pm UTC (link)
1) Y halo thar Heidipology.

2) Why the dickens do you feel the need to sign your comments? It's silly.

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[info]limyaael
2007-08-11 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Obviously, she feels that if she doesn't sign them, they'll get lost in the flood of stupid n00b comments.

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[info]tez
2007-08-11 09:53 pm UTC (link)
...and this is a bad thing?

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[info]limyaael
2007-08-11 09:56 pm UTC (link)
It is when she so badly wants to sell us her particular brand of stupid. Use [info]velvetwhip stupidity only! Accept no substitutes!

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2007-08-11 09:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-11 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tez, 2007-08-11 10:03 pm UTC

[info]puipui
2007-08-11 09:56 pm UTC (link)
She wants to stand out from the n00by crowd. She wants us all to know that she's lurked even less.

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2007-08-11 09:57 pm UTC

purplefeen
2007-08-11 09:55 pm UTC (link)
Maybe because she's brave enough not to hide behind a made up pseudonym. That's not silly. Saying things like 'Y halo thar' is silly, in comparison. Have you ever heard the phrase, 'People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'?

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[info]tez
2007-08-11 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Have you ever heard the phrase "lurk more?"

I recommend going by this.

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purplefeen
2007-08-11 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Why? Because you don't like what I have to say? Tough shit.

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2007-08-11 10:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tez, 2007-08-11 10:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-08-11 11:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]worstangel, 2007-08-12 12:56 am UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-12 12:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2007-08-12 12:00 am UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-12 12:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2007-08-12 12:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2007-08-12 02:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2007-08-12 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2007-08-12 03:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-08-12 04:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kamiki_seto, 2007-08-12 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2007-08-12 03:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kamiki_seto, 2007-08-12 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2007-08-12 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2007-08-12 01:45 pm UTC
Sep, I am so sorry for cassieclairing you here, but it must be done.
[info]puipui
2007-08-11 09:58 pm UTC (link)
You're a whore.

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Re: Sep, I am so sorry for cassieclairing you here, but it must be done.
purplefeen
2007-08-11 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I am. Thank you for noticing. Your point?

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Re: Sep, I am so sorry for cassieclairing you here, but it must be done.
[info]tez
2007-08-11 10:03 pm UTC (link)
WIN!

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Re: Sep, I am so sorry for cassieclairing you here, but it must be done. - [info]sepiamagpie, 2007-08-12 05:27 am UTC
Re: Sep, I am so sorry for cassieclairing you here, but it must be done. - [info]puipui, 2007-08-12 05:59 am UTC

[info]doomsday
2007-08-11 10:01 pm UTC (link)
So are we to assume your real name is purplefeen, or is that the made-up pseudonym you're hiding behind?

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(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2007-08-11 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missdaisy, 2007-08-11 10:30 pm UTC

[info]limyaael
2007-08-11 10:03 pm UTC (link)
People on your friendslist can be annoying, too, you know. I'm sorry, but it happens.

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(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-11 10:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-11 10:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missdaisy, 2007-08-11 10:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-11 10:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-11 10:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-11 10:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-11 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-08-12 04:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shannon730, 2007-08-11 10:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 10:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shannon730, 2007-08-11 10:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2007-08-11 10:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-08-11 11:28 pm UTC

[info]sashenka
2007-08-11 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Maybe because she's brave enough not to hide behind a made up pseudonym
A first name that may or may not actually be real is hardly any better. If I told you my name is Anabelle, would it make a difference in identifying me on the internet? Perhaps Sashenka is my real first name. You don't actually know who anyone is. That's kind of the point.

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(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 11:00 pm UTC

[info]tehrin
2007-08-11 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Except that's the whole point of SIGNING INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. The only reason you'd sign a comment is if you're a anon. Otherwise, you're wasting the four seconds of your life superfluously signing each comment.

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(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 11:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-08-11 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 11:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-08-11 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 11:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2007-08-12 01:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-08-12 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2007-08-12 05:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2007-08-11 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 11:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2007-08-11 11:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-11 11:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]souris, 2007-08-11 11:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-12 12:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]souris, 2007-08-12 12:21 am UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-12 12:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-08-12 01:57 am UTC
(no subject) - purplefeen, 2007-08-12 02:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2007-08-12 03:07 pm UTC

[info]jar
2007-08-12 08:48 am UTC (link)
LOL NOOBIE.

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[info]esclaramonde
2007-08-12 01:44 pm UTC (link)
... You know, I was on your side when [info]esorlehcar was mocking you for the lawyer friend business, but now you've just proved yourself an idiot.

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