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lolcoholic ([info]lolcoholic) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2007-11-12 17:45:00


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Harlan Ellison Pissed
Detailed plot rumors  of the new Star Trek movie recently surfaced on the internet.  

It supposedly uses quite a bit from the classic episode, "City on the Edge of Forever"

This is news to Harlan Ellison, who penned the teleplay.  He responds on his site:
 
HARLAN ELLISON
- Monday, November 12 2007 10:19:47

THAT STAR TREK BUSINESS

MARK GOLDBERG or ANYONE ELSE:

Would someone go to that site, and suggest to those people there, that "City" and all its elements EXCEPT specific Star Trek characters, belong to Harlan Ellison--author of that much-lauded episode--by terms of the Separation of Rights clause of the Writers Guild's Minimum Basic Agreement (MBA), and if Mr. Abrams--with whom I'm currently on strike--or anyone else, at Paramount or elsewhere, thinks they're going to use MY creations--whether the City, the Guardians, Sister Edith Keeler, or any other elements CREATED BY HARLAN ELLISON...they had damned well better lose the unilateral arrogance, get in touch with me, or my agent, Marty Shapiro, and be prepared to pay for the privilege of mining the lode I own.

Thank you, and thank Peter David, who just called to alert me, as have you, Mark, to yet another gimmegimme grab by Paramount and the Star trek francchise that makes billions, but withholds recognition or recompense to the artists who labored in that vein.

Yr. Pal, Harlan


 I'm not quite sure what to make of this, though I'm pretty sure it's going to get wanky. Wasn't he the one who groped a fellow author on stage?

Oh, yeah, and...

Quinto as Spock, y'all! QUINTO AS SPOCK!!


 


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[info]katarin
2007-11-13 02:25 am UTC (link)
City on the Edge of Forever? ROCK, I loved that episode. It wasn't the television artistry of Amok Time or Mirror, Mirror, or even Shore Leave, but it was pretty good.

And ZOMG! THEY HAVE SHAVED THE EYEBROWS!! JOY! omg don't kill me Zach fangirls, PLEASE!

WTFROMULANS? Are you shitting me? The ROMULANS are the bad guys? Lamecore.

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[info]katarin
2007-11-13 02:28 am UTC (link)
I don't want to redo my comment again, so in an addendum because we're all dorks here and some one will likely take me at my word, I am KIDDING about Shore Leave. (Though why you hate giant bunnies is completely beyond me)

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[info]grapefruitzzz
2007-11-14 12:32 pm UTC (link)
I can't remember which one is "Shore Leave" but the title reminds me of the camping trip in ST V, so the effect's about the same anyway.

Romulans rule! Especially in that DS9 episode where Sisko had to covertly borrow Romulan cloaking devices and felt really confliced about it.

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[info]queencallipygos
2007-11-14 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Shore Leave was the one where they're checking out some planet to see whether they can give everyone shore leave on it, and they find that on this planet, a few seconds after you think of something, it shows up. They go through the whole episode with things happening like Sulu getting chased by a tiger and Random Female Crew Member dressing up like Maid Marian and McCoy getting stabbed by a knight and Kirk getting into a fist fight with the guy who bullied him in the Starfleet Academy, and finally Spock comes across a guy who's sort of the planet's curator who explains that the whole place is a giant amusement park for his people. McCoy gets stitched back up and thinks himself up some cabaret girls to party with, and Kirk calls down the rest of the crew to have a hell of a shore leave while Kirk walks off into the sunset to spend a week with his high school girlfriend.

I have a soft spot for this episode as I actually ended up working it into a finals exam essay in college.

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[info]grapefruitzzz
2007-11-14 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Oh thaaat one! It was on at 2am quite recently and I thought I was dreaming the knight part.

Aw, inventing the holodeck episode!

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[info]mistressrenet
2007-11-13 02:28 am UTC (link)
BUT WTF THE BOWL CUT.

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[info]katarin
2007-11-13 02:29 am UTC (link)
Well I assumed he'd have a bowl cut, that's how Nimoy's hair was as well as, you know, every other Vulcan EVER. I was just wondering if ZQ's signature eyefuzz was getting cut off and apparently it has. YAY!

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[info]flightstothesea
2007-11-13 02:45 am UTC (link)
This movie is going to be made of so much fail. And probably not even in the funny way. :(

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[info]tehrin
2007-11-13 07:21 am UTC (link)
Relax. It hasn't even been made yet. So don't judge so quickly.

*obviously not a Trekkie*

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[info]flightstothesea
2007-11-13 04:29 pm UTC (link)
Well, JJ Abrams is doing it, and that's really all I need to know. I wouldn't really consider myself a Trekkie either, but damn if I don't hate everything that guy's done.

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[info]tehrin
2007-11-13 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm blinded by Zachary Quinto so I'm bias as well.

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[info]demonbean
2007-11-13 07:11 pm UTC (link)
I keep getting stuck on Karl Urban.

Mmmm ... *Drools*

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[info]melannen
2007-11-13 05:32 pm UTC (link)
It'll violate book canon. It *always* violates book canon, 'cause they don't want to have to work with the novel authors (making the Ellison situation full of delicious irony, oh yes.) Kirk's Kobayashi Maru in book canon (as written, incidentally, by Julia Ecklar, one of the Grand Old Dames of fandom) is *made of perfection* and cannot possibly be improved on in any way.

Hence, automatically made of fail.

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[info]omgpolarbear
2007-11-13 11:51 pm UTC (link)
It'll violate book canon. [...] Hence, automatically made of fail.

Two words: Spock, Messiah.
Any movie that violates that book's canon can't be totally made of fail.

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[info]melannen
2007-11-14 12:36 am UTC (link)
T haven't actually been forced to read that one. (I started out back when nobody was reprinting the Ballantines, and by the time I got my hands on that one I'd been warned off. Early Pocket Books is it, really. And Marshak & Culbreath.)

Anyway I just pretend that title refers to the blatant ripoff of Christ's schitck that Spock was doing in Crossover and the novelization of Union. :P

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[info]grapefruitzzz
2007-11-14 12:35 pm UTC (link)
I found the Kobayashi Maru book in a charity shop the other day. I haven't read it yet, though.

*too many trek comments argh*

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[info]gloria_mundi
2007-11-13 02:48 am UTC (link)
Harlan Ellison was born pissed off.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-11-13 08:53 pm UTC (link)
For him, this is really mild.

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[info]gloria_mundi
2007-11-14 07:22 am UTC (link)
This is true. Of course, Ellison has always reminded me of the folks who use the phrase Cat Piss Men to describe the general fan who does things they don't like.

I hate those people

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[info]wolfsamurai
2007-11-13 02:49 am UTC (link)
Ellison was indeed the person who groped his fellow author at a con.

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[info]kayla
2007-11-13 12:19 pm UTC (link)
While acting like a two year old. That man deserves a special place in the crazy hall of fame.

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[info]tangentialone
2007-11-14 05:03 am UTC (link)
And he did the same thing at a con or something with the Penny Arcade guys.

The "acting like a two year old", I mean. Not the groping.

And then the PA guy he was rude to got in a MASSIVE BUUUURRRRRRN. :D

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[info]magnolia_mama
2007-11-13 02:54 am UTC (link)
Oh, crap. Not another time travel story? I thought we'd seen the last of those when Brannon Braga left the scene.

*sigh*

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[info]mer1973
2007-11-13 03:05 am UTC (link)
As much as I love Simon Pegg, I'm starting to fear this movie.

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[info]puipui
2007-11-13 03:59 am UTC (link)
Harlan Ellison Pissed

Well, gosh, there's a shock.

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[info]sashenka
2007-11-13 04:38 am UTC (link)
Almost as shocking as Harlan Ellison groped.

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[info]spacelogic
2007-11-13 05:09 am UTC (link)
Harlan "Groper" Ellison, we call him in my household.

Also, re the original topic, am I the only classic Trek fan who didn't just love "City on the Edge of Forever"? I mean, it wasn't bad and there were definite funny/slashy bits, but the overall premise and execution thereof always struck me as sort of... lame.

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[info]melannen
2007-11-13 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Like some of the other best-loved Trek episodes, it hits my embarrassment squick hard enough that there are parts of it that I just can't watch.

But I don't really think that, plot- and execution- wise, it was any lamer than any other classic Trek episode. And the lamest bits of it had not yet been quite so overused. But it's not on my top five list, no.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-11-13 09:04 pm UTC (link)
The thing that mostly gets me is saying "Holy crap, it's Joan Collins as a pure-hearted philanthropist!"

But I really don't rewatch Trek that much, to be perfectly honest.

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[info]melannen
2007-11-14 04:20 am UTC (link)
Oh, dude, it was Joan Collins! Wow.

I watched them all back in the day in scratchy 3:00 AM syndication. Since getting access to DVDs, I've decided that staticky 3:00 AM syndication is actually the best way to watch them.

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[info]meammouse
2007-11-13 06:03 am UTC (link)
Mm, the Vulcan bowl cut looks better on him than I thought it would.

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[info]tehrin
2007-11-13 07:24 am UTC (link)
He's so hot. I think he's going to be a great Spock. Can anyone find the pictures without the stamp?

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[info]lolcoholic
2007-11-20 12:38 am UTC (link)
Here ya go:

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/17645964.html

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[info]rowanberries
2007-11-13 07:23 pm UTC (link)
*Peers at Quinto*

...Is it just me, or does he look like Eddie Izzard?

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-11-13 09:03 pm UTC (link)
I was actually ready to like this movie, despite my admittedly very silly post here, when I found out more news such as that Captain Pike would be a character in it. (Though then again I don't see anything about that here, so I don't know.)

Then I saw that Winona Ryder had been cast as "Spock's Vulcan mother" and I'm still scratching my head and hoping it was a mistake in the article and not them messing with Spock's family. (His mother was Ronald Reagan's ex-wife human.)

But anyway, if this is true and anyone did think they could take elements from something Harlan Ellison wrote and just use them, then that person was very, very stupid.

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[info]lolcoholic
2007-11-13 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Bruce Greenwood is Pike, and Variety sucks at fact-checking its articles.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-11-13 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! I've never seen him anything, but he looks good for the role. (And I've never seen Quinto either because I am the only person on earth who hasn't seen Heroes but that picture impresses me.)

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[info]lolcoholic
2007-11-13 10:13 pm UTC (link)
More pics here:

http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2007/11/08/on-set-im-an-extra-jim-not-a-cult-member/#more-147

Bits and pieces of uniforms and other costumes.

You can see also Amanda Morrison from House as Carol Marcus. This should be interesting. Baby mama drama!

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[info]chibikaijuu
2007-11-15 12:02 am UTC (link)
Jennifer Morrison.

That's all I have to add, really. I'm not sure I can watch her in Star Trek and not laugh.

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[info]lolcoholic
2007-11-15 12:52 am UTC (link)
LOL thanks! I had Amanda on the brain (see above).

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[info]grapefruitzzz
2007-11-14 12:30 pm UTC (link)
I love Winona, I love Quinto, but casting her as his mother strikes me as "all women over thirty may as well be fifty". It'll be a flashback or "really slow ageing technology" but I'm pre-wank about it :D

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[info]turnip_girl
2007-11-14 06:00 pm UTC (link)
I thought Ellison demanded his name be taken off of this script? Like years ago when the show first aired. He got pissed (once again) at GR with the edit of the show or some offense.

I may be wrong but I think the show won an Emmy and Ellison refused it.

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My geekiness, let me show you it
[info]youngcurmudgeon
2007-11-15 12:02 am UTC (link)
That was my question exactly. The Star Trek wiki says that Ellison hated the changes so much he wanted his name off, but GR wouldn't do it. Additionally, there's a link to Ellison's original script. Wiki has more.

So I have no idea what's in this script that Ellison is objecting to, but ...

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