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solelyfictional ([info]solelyfictional) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2008-03-17 14:11:00


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Can anyone rec me some good Roman fiction? I've read most of Steven Saylor's stuff, and I couldn't finish a Lindsey Davis book because of historical inaccuracies. I've read a few novels set during the eruption of Pompeii (which I enjoy, but it's getting overdone), but what I'd really love is some Roman Britain.

So, any reccomendations?


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[info]fantine
2008-03-17 04:19 pm UTC (link)
This isn't historic fiction per se, but I enjoyed Romanitas by Sophia McDougall. Haven't read the second part yet so I can't comment on that. I'm not sure if Maja Lundgren's book on Pompeii (called Pompéi, Pompeii, Pompeij or similar) is available in English - if not, it should be. It's hilarious.

Can't really help you with Roman Britain except that I've heard Edward Rutherfurd's "London" is a good read.

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-17 04:57 pm UTC (link)
I apparently have a choice between German or Spanish for Pompeij, according to Amazon (neither of which is in stock, either). I'll check out the Romanitas books, thanks.

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[info]comixology
2008-03-17 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Roman Britain I do not have, and I feel like the only rec I can make is a bit, uhm, likely to already be on the bookshelf of anyone into Roman historical fic.

That is, Quo Vadis, by Henryk Sienkiewicz, is pretty awesome. xD; On the off-chance you haven't read it or don't know of it, it takes place in Rome under Nero, and won the nobel prize for lit in 1905. :D

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-17 05:16 pm UTC (link)
I've not got it, but it's on Project Gutenberg. Mmm, legally free books. Thanks for the rec.

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[info]comixology
2008-03-17 05:16 pm UTC (link)
I feel that I should also say that it's kind of heavily pro-Christianity, but I'm an atheist and I still enjoyed it for the nifty tensions-in-context stuff and I found it was pretty good on historical facts.

LOL, I just warned for Jesus-related content. XD;

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-17 05:26 pm UTC (link)
There's a certain about of Roman fiction (and Roman research) that requires a little cross-eyeing with the Christiantiy, but I'm capable of reading past it now. It's like the blind championing of Roman Imperialism while carefully blanking the nasty sides of the culture, or, my favourite, the very determined desistance that despite how often homosexuality turns up in fiction, fact and art, they would never ever engage in such dirty, naughty, un-christian acts. Ah, Romans. All things to all ages, as long as you keep your eyes mostly shut.

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[info]comixology
2008-03-17 06:51 pm UTC (link)
It's true, there is a certain level of omission in Roman fiction that is almost unavoidable. Quo Vadis does address some of those un-christian acts, but it's mostly interested in showing, like, how the Romans eventually saw the error of their ways, and what-not.

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[info]altera
2008-03-18 01:32 am UTC (link)
I'm getting my masters in library science, and in one of my index projects (designing an index of YA fantasy novels) I totally warned the SHIT out of Jesus content. Smack "CONTROVERSIAL" right on thar. I made it like two paragraphs in my paper, LOL.

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[info]eleutheria
2008-03-18 02:07 am UTC (link)
This library patron thanks you for that! Can't tell you how many times I've picked up what I thought was an interesting mystery or fantasy and got about a third of the way into the book when... STEALTH JESUS CONTENT!!!!!! smacked me across the head.

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[info]atalantapendrag
2008-03-17 05:22 pm UTC (link)
I'm guessing you've already read I, CLAUDIUS and CLAUDIUS THE GOD?

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-17 05:34 pm UTC (link)
I, Clavdivs? I've seen some of the television series, but I hadn't thought to seek out the books before. Thanks.

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[info]maexle
2008-03-18 11:44 am UTC (link)
I loved the tv series and therefore bought the book. It was one of the rare case where I liked the movie version better. The book is, in my humble opinion, a bit boring.
But what about John Maddox Robert's SPQR series? It's detective stories too, but I always liked them better as Lindsey's work because they're historically more accurate and the language is suiting the time better as Lindsey's.

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[info]narcissam
2008-03-24 06:55 pm UTC (link)
Seconding the recommendation for John Maddox Roberts. SPQR is amazing. Detective novels and historical fiction are such uneasy bedmates, but Roberts pulls it off, unlike Davis.

And the best thing is there are lots of them to read once you get hooked!

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[info]melannen
2008-03-17 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Roman Britain: Anything ever written by Rosemary Sutcliff. She's got a loosely connected series of (really good and really slashy) YA novels that cover more or less the entire period between just-pre-Roman tribes and just-post-Roman early Christians in Britain: I particularly recommend "The Eagle of the Ninth" and "Frontier Wolf" for woobie Roman goodness.

...beyond that, most of what I've got in Arthurian stuff that takes Arthur as the last holdout of Rome in Britian. (Sutcliffe has a set of novels like that, too.) Parke Godwin's Firelord does a pretty good job at that, and there's Keith Taylor's stories aboud Felimid the bard for early Dark Ages Britain with a heavy Roman influence.

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-17 06:29 pm UTC (link)
I stumbled across Eagle of the Ninth earier (I was looking for eboracum stuff), but I hadn't realised it was part of a series. The Roman eras I know most about are Augustan and post-Pompeii, so I don't often go looking for the later stuff.

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[info]melannen
2008-03-17 07:19 pm UTC (link)
It's a *very* loosely connected series - basically the main characters are all descended from each other, so beyond the token heirloom dolphin ring and occasional very oblique reference to old family history, there's no real continuity.

She does have some that are set earlier than Eagle of the Ninth, but a lot of her books have been hard to find for awhile.

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[info]jaythenerdkid
2008-03-17 11:50 pm UTC (link)
most of what I've got in Arthurian stuff that takes Arthur as the last holdout of Rome in Britian.

Only slightly related, but didn't Marion Zimmer Bradley write a sort of prequel or something to Mists of Avalon that focused on the Romans in Britain? Would that count as Roman fiction at all?

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[info]altera
2008-03-18 01:34 am UTC (link)
That might be "Priestess of Avalon"... focuses on Helena, mother of Constantine. Couldn't tell you much about the plot, I couldn't finish it.

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[info]jaythenerdkid
2008-03-18 02:58 am UTC (link)
Yeah, might have been that one...but I keep thinking that wasn't it. I think it may have been The Forest House, but it's been ages since I read it, so I'm not too sure.

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[info]altera
2008-03-18 01:15 pm UTC (link)
Also could've been, and yeah... I haven't read that one in 10 years so I vaguely remember it as well.

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[info]msmanna
2008-03-17 06:38 pm UTC (link)
A while back someone lent me a nice anthology of Roman detective stories, which ran throughout the whole Roman period. I am completely blanking on the title, though. I think it might have been this one, because the same person lent me all the Saylor and Davies books as well and they each have a story in there. If nothing else, I think several of the writers in the anthology have also written Roman-era novels, so maybe you'll find someone else you like.

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-17 06:51 pm UTC (link)
I have a real soft spot for compilations as a way of getting introduced to authors. Thanks for the rec.

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[info]sithwitch13
2008-03-17 10:09 pm UTC (link)
Alternate history: "Roma Eterna" by Robert Silverburg. It's a bunch of short stories set in the same alternate history so there's not much of a continuous plot, but it's really interesting (to me, at least.)

Roman Britain: The first few of Jack Whyte's Camulod Chronicles are from the point of view of a Roman legionary who remains in Britain with his commander. It's a pretty interesting Arthur retelling, though each book can take a long while to plod through because it talks a lot about politics and the methods of fortification of villages and suchlike. The first one is called "The Skystone."

"Night of the Wolf" by Alice Borchardt is pretty much a romance/werewolf plot to kill Julius Caesar book, but I liked it. She's a bit prone to purple prose, but I like her a hell of a lot more than her sister, Anne Rice. Most of her other books deal with later time periods, but they're still good and I admit that a lot of the reason I was thrilled to visit Ravenna on a trip once was because part of the third book, "The Wolf King" took place there.

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-17 10:20 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I've read 'Night of the Wolf'. It's one of those books I got from a library once, and the only thing I actually remember from it (other than werewolves in collapsing Rome) was that the author was Anne Rice's sister.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-18 07:41 am UTC (link)
I need to finish that series up, I think. I have read the first one. Found it fairly interesting.

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[info]mistressrenet
2008-03-18 01:14 am UTC (link)
I suppose Asterix in Britain doesn't count?

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-18 07:22 am UTC (link)
I <3 Asterix ^_^ I have the whole collection, but, alas (or is that eheu?) not with me.

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[info]mistressrenet
2008-03-19 12:39 am UTC (link)
It's a little scary how much Roman/Gaulish history I learned as a result of those comics.

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[info]eleutheria
2008-03-18 02:10 am UTC (link)
Can't recall the author, and it's probably only sorta historically accurate, but "Medicus" was an awfully fun book. It's about a Roman legionary medic in Britain and a mystery about native peoples and slave trading. It's snarky, full of bureaucratic snarls and odd period details, and it's a joy to read.

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-18 07:51 am UTC (link)
Sounds like fun; I'll see if I can track it down.

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[info]melandry
2008-03-18 04:01 am UTC (link)
Not Roman Britain, but The First Man in Rome series by Colleen McCullough are my personal favorites.

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[info]msilverstar
2008-03-18 07:20 am UTC (link)
Hie ye to a good bookstore or library and see if they have any Gillian Bradshaw. She's academically trained and writes fascinating books about both Classical and Late Roman times. Her one about the Roman auxilia in Britain is fabulous. I also liked the Archimedes one. And she did an Arthur trilogy that makes me cry every time, also my teenboy cries, he says!

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[info]solelyfictional
2008-03-18 07:50 am UTC (link)
That sounds brilliant, thanks.

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[info]narcissam
2008-03-24 06:57 pm UTC (link)
The Roman auxilia in Britain one: Gillian Bradshaw's "Island of the Ghosts". On my list of the top ten historical novels I've read. She's written another one about Roman Britain, just this last year, but I haven't read it yet.

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[info]mydruthers
2008-03-19 03:48 pm UTC (link)
There's a long post about ancient Greek and Roman books in (I hope this link works...) Amazon.com historical fiction community.

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