twoiskewl
2008-05-09 04:56 pm UTC (link)

Granted I know nothing about BBC law, but it seems like a pretty clear case of transformative work here. Additionally, the pattern themselves (the actual k2, p2, k2t part) would have nothing to do with any Doctor Who propery... knit it in green and it'd be different looking enough to probably pass.

Shame that the Stanford people will support RDR and not something like this :(

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	julesnoctambule 2008-05-09 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	Given that Stanford did support RDR, I'm not so sure I'd want them on my side for anything! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	whimsy_chan 2008-05-09 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	it seems like a pretty clear case of transformative work here. No kidding. And it's not like having my own Sock Ood would stop me from buying an Ood action figure or something. (I really, really want a Sock Ood now.) (Reposted because I am not so good at the typing.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	twoiskewl 2008-05-09 09:28 pm UTC (link)
	UK, not BBC law. I r vary smart. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	singe 2008-05-09 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	Mazz wasn't making money from this so why should the BBC care about free advertising? Bah! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-09 05:03 pm UTC (link)
	That's what I'd like to know -- how is it bad publicity at all? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	singe 2008-05-09 05:20 pm UTC (link)
	And they're just so durn cute. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-09 05:23 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously! If I ran the BBC, I'd hire the maker and distribute the patterns for sale. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mistressrenet 2008-05-10 02:11 am UTC (link)
	Joining in the "I dun get it" brigade. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rekall 2008-05-09 05:15 pm UTC (link)
	Is it bad my first thought that this is the beginning of a crackdown to protect copyright because of the JKR situation? Since the patterns were given out for free, that's the only reason I can think of as to why BBC would be concerned about it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	janegraddell 2008-05-09 05:40 pm UTC (link)
	I saw mention in the comments that the pattern maker was selling the pattern on eBay, so that might have been the sticking point. All the same, I have an urge to go to Doctor Who Scarf and make sure I've saved all the patterns... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tephra 2008-05-09 06:55 pm UTC (link)
	From the page on the pattern maker's site, I don't think it was her selling the patterns. Sadly, people "reselling" free knitting patterns is not uncommon. I wonder how long it will be before the knitted dalek... well gee, that one is gone too. Glad I saved my copy of the pattern, and already knit one. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-09 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	That kicks ass. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tephra 2008-05-09 08:47 pm UTC (link)
	I opted for beads over bobbles because bobbles are of the devil (I'd still be knitting it if I did bobbles). My brother is the big Who fan in the family so he got it for Christmas. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-09 08:54 pm UTC (link)
	I've been very tempted to make myself a little enamelled TARDIS pendant and a pair of Dalek earrings to match -- just better hope the BBC doesn't see them! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tephra 2008-05-09 09:44 pm UTC (link)
	That would be awesome. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dunc 2008-05-09 06:55 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think that was her: See the 10/04 post: I have added creative commons licenses to all patterns now, as they are NOT to be used commercially, and the patterns are NOT to be resold. If I continue to discover that they are being sold, they WILL be removed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	logan 2008-05-09 09:46 pm UTC (link)
	since she posted the pattern on both crafty_tardis and who_knits for free, I doubt she was selling them elsewhere. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sockpuppeteer 2008-05-09 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	Nope. And she dutifully reported violations to E-bay for selling the pattern. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	fresco_le_raye 2008-05-09 05:53 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm.. this would be the same BBC whose flagship children's programme "Blue Peter" regularly demonstrates to children how to create replicas of their favourite fannish items using yoghurt pots and sticky-backed plastic? I wonder what the original creators of Tracey Island would make of all this? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-09 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	In the extras of one Four DVD, there's the episode of Blue Peter that showed how to make a mini-theatre with a Doctor, TARDIS and handmade Dalek. Maybe the BBC just hates knitting? (Reply to this)(Parent)

sockpuppeteer
2008-05-09 10:25 pm UTC (link)

I was wondering when this was going to come up.

The pattern was just brilliant.

She reported a seller who was selling the pattern on E-Bay and another person who was selling the critter in question based on her pattern on E-Bay.

The BBC comes knocking on her door. Wonder if the doofus who tried to sell the pattern went and whined to them.

She has made NO MONEY from this.

She did it to figure out how to not to sell fat blobs to Doctor Who fandom.

I think I am angrier at the slime on E-bay who got their knickers in a twist because she would not allow them to make money off of something that she put together.

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	julesnoctambule 2008-05-09 11:16 pm UTC (link)
	'not to sell fat blobs to Doctor Who fandom' For some reason, this is making me giggle. I am wondering now if the person who was selling her hard work is responsible for the trouble. Too many people get into that 'if I can't get what I want from something, no one can have it' mindset. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ladystarlight 2008-05-11 01:16 pm UTC (link)
	Now I really, really want a copy of that Adipose pattern! sighs At least I still have my knitted Dalek pattern! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-11 03:40 pm UTC (link)
	It's probably out there somewhere; it's a matter of finding someone willing to share. DW knitting patterns -- the new bootleg liquor? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladystarlight 2008-05-11 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	Heee! That image amuses me greatly. Also, it is not downthread. Nope, nope, nope. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-11 10:41 pm UTC (link)
	Nope, not at all. . .hey! Is that a knitting pattern concealed in your garter?? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladystarlight 2008-05-12 01:00 am UTC (link)
	Maaaaaaybe. smirks (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tephra 2008-05-11 03:54 pm UTC (link)
	Alas, the BBC was thorough and even the Google cache is gone. And since it was a new pattern it's not in the Wayback Machine either. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tephra 2008-05-11 03:59 pm UTC (link)
	If you crochet and you are on Ravelry there's still a crochet pattern available as a Ravelry free download. The author has left it up since Ravelry isn't "open" yet (even if the wait time on the "beta" list is about a week now.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-11 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	I do crochet but don't do Ravelry -- any chance of a screengrab? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tephra 2008-05-11 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	Crochet version link good for 7 days. I think the crochet one is cuter myself. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	julesnoctambule 2008-05-12 02:20 pm UTC (link)
	Fab! Thanks! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tephra 2008-05-11 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	I'm being so spam-y today. :( Courtesy of a trip through the various Dr Who groups in a certain semi-closed fiber community: link was never here. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladystarlight 2008-05-11 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	OMG YAY! offers boobies and chocolates Have saved and you are now one of my favorite people! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

tephra
2008-05-11 11:38 pm UTC (link)

Yay! Boobies and chocolate! :)

When MagKnits went down in a flurry of wank (oh, for the day when Ravelry is open,

godsmagicpubes will have to be born) there were a lot of people discovering the myriad ways to find patterns that had been yanked off the internet. Though the woman behind MagKnits was not as thorough as the BBC in that regard, so we only had the 6 month lag of archive.org screwing with us.

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	julesnoctambule 2008-05-11 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	Ask and the internet shall provide! (Reply to this)(Parent)