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	scifantasy 2008-11-07 02:04 am UTC (link)
	I beta'd it (but how is it not opt-out if there was a beta?) and I have to admit to liking it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	breecita 2008-11-07 02:55 am UTC (link)
	I like it, too. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bigbigtruck 2008-11-07 03:15 am UTC (link)
	I think it's okay. Could do without the horizontal lines, and the 3-part info bar across the top is poorly done, but eh. Less blinky shit, anyway. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pet 2008-11-07 03:19 am UTC (link)
	I've been using the beta version, and I like it too. I wish there was an opt-out, for the people who don't, but it's got all the same info as the original, and I like the layout better. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rosalita 2008-11-07 04:01 am UTC (link)
	I don't see what the big deal is. It doesn't look that bad, and I rarely look at my profile page or anyone else's, for that matter. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eleutheria 2008-11-07 05:50 am UTC (link)
	I look at my profile page every day (that's how I follow a bunch of links to comms that update every ten seconds), and it's painful to read and hard to find things on. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mindset 2008-11-07 07:32 am UTC (link)
	Checked your profile, and it doesn't look bad to me... mind you, I'm using Vertigo with a Dystopia skin on top, which may make some difference. Have you thought about raising the font size up a bit? Or maybe a Stylish tweak could fix the flaws you don't want to wait for LJ to get around to fixing? (If you're using Firefox, that is.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eleutheria 2008-11-07 08:17 am UTC (link)
	Err... how did you check my LJ profile, when you don't know what my name is over there? (And no, I don't use Firefox, I use IE.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mindset
2008-11-07 08:44 am UTC (link)

Um... I research well and I'm often pointlessly curious. And using LJ's Directory Search, and given enough info from the JF profile, it's not that hard to find a matching LJ account. No worries, I'm no Laura Hale -- i.e. I would never publicize anything deliberately kept separate/private -- and I'll definitely forget the name in a day or less. Sorry to be so nosy. :/

My personal silliness aside -- shame about the IE, since Firefox's Stylish addon could probably make your life easier by letting you make the page look more like you want it to. (Although it's possible that IE's IEPro addon has an option for custom CSS in there somewhere.) Does a text size increase help you at all, at least?

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eleutheria
2008-11-07 08:52 am UTC (link)

Okay, thanks for the explanation. I have been stalked by the cult that I belonged to, so I'm very particular about not taking the same name in any two similar places. And keeping my profile difficult to figure out for people who know me IRL. I think I'll go delete some interests from my JF profile to make it a little tougher to track me. (Yeah, I know I sound paranoid, but it's with pretty good reason.)

The IE is because I work at home and my work's server will not function in anything but IE. I tried the whole two-browser thing, but having to mentally reorient every time I stop working and start surfing-for-the-heck-of-it is too annoying. I have no clue about IE addons, I'm not CSS-literate and wouldn't have the first idea how to install them. A text size would help, if I could figure out how to do that. I'll probably end up making a bunch of reading filters, which is still annoying, but marginally less annoying than trying to read that horribly-designed piece of crap.

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mindset
2008-11-07 09:23 am UTC (link)

Ack, very sorry to make you justifiably paranoid, I do apologize for my curiosity. :/

Anyway, text size shifting is really simple when you know it: Ctrl+ for larger, Ctrl- for smaller. I noticed it pagestretches even worse when larger, though, so if you do try that, I'd also go with the Vertigo scheme, which shrinks the width of those friend detail paragraphs by quite a bit.

If you do go for the filter option, I'd recommend turning on the Navigation Strip. I know it's one of those Yet Another LJ Useless Change, but it's got one very helpful thing -- when reading a friendspage, it has a drop-down to let you choose which filter to view. Much simpler than the old way of bookmarking each filter URL...

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eleutheria
2008-11-07 09:45 am UTC (link)

Ctrl+ Ctrl- doesn't do anything. I know that works on my desktop (found it by accident while using Vent one day), so I'm assuming it's an XP thing? (I'm running 2000 Pro because I like it a lot better. Less screen clutter on a laptop.) I don't actually think the font size is the problem, now that I look at it again, it looks to be only slightly smaller if at all from what it was. I guess it's the way it uses white space?

Using reading filters is a heck of a lot easier than turning on the Nav Strip, which I deeply detest, or Vertigo (when I prefer Xcolibur). I just wish there were a bloody opt-out. Thanks for the help, though. :)

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mindset
2008-11-07 07:36 am UTC (link)

Doesn't bother me much, either, but I also have been betaing it since September. It looks actually completely normal to me now.

(but how is it not opt-out if there was a beta?)

Beta just means "not ready to go public yet, we're still tweaking it", and not "once it is ready, you get the choice not to use it". That'd be if it were a skin or something like the difference between Vertigo and Horizon.

Actually, since this new profile is supposed to be much more compliant, it's probably also very skinnable. I bet the LJ Skins people will have variants up in a couple of days... heck, I'm tempted to throw some custom CSS on it myself...

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	hallidae 2008-11-07 02:08 am UTC (link)
	Fewer 'page downs', sweet. (Reply to this)

	blue_penguin 2008-11-07 02:11 am UTC (link)
	I don't mind how it looks, but I've found that when I'm on the journal where I have the beta enabled, profiles for large communities often don't load, whereas when I switch to one of the journals with the old-fashioned profile view that doesn't happen. (Reply to this)

	lamperouge 2008-11-07 02:13 am UTC (link)
	GOD WHY IS IT HIDEOUS. LJ should fire whoever came out with the new version and designed it. Also, more complaints about it have spread to here: Listening to customer feedback/complaints? What's that? and HTML IS SRS FUCKIN' BUSINESS (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lamperouge 2008-11-07 02:15 am UTC (link)
	*came up, even. Grammar is hard. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	brennalarose 2008-11-07 02:16 am UTC (link)
	It's awkward to read on my screen. Seconding the beta/no opt-out wat. (Reply to this)

	aaron_agonistes 2008-11-07 02:16 am UTC (link)
	Oh, fuck, is that what happened. I thought I'd just overused Adblock again and screwed up the formatting. ...Goddamn is that ugly. (Reply to this)

	lady_dragoon 2008-11-07 02:18 am UTC (link)
	....It's ugly, but I will get use to it. At least, I hope I do. XD (Reply to this)

	bobafeis 2008-11-07 02:20 am UTC (link)
	Oh man, I'm on my mobile and I can't see anything. It's going to be painful when I get my laptop fixed, isn't it? (Reply to this)

	rekall 2008-11-07 03:06 am UTC (link)
	I hate all the ugly lines. Ugly lines are the reason why I stopped using ff.net. They need to be banned. They're not cool. (Reply to this)

	msmanna 2008-11-07 03:22 am UTC (link)
	I like it. It has some organization and structure to it, at least, which is more than the old version did. And I like both that you can close up the sections (very handy for navigating the profile pages of the 'HOW many fucking colourbars?' brigade), and that it remembers the settings. (Reply to this)

	kylenne 2008-11-07 03:33 am UTC (link)
	Wow, that looks like ass. plz to have option to keep old one? ;_; (Reply to this)

	deliciouschaos 2008-11-07 04:57 am UTC (link)
	Is it bad that I looked at my profile and had a 'tl;dr' moment because it was wall-to-wall text, all run together? (Reply to this)

	moonjaguar 2008-11-07 05:23 am UTC (link)
	I thought I was having style-sheet load problems at first. First they scrap Dystopia and now this. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	gmth 2008-11-07 06:03 am UTC (link)
	I still use Dystopia. You can choose it on the extended viewing options page here. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	moonjaguar 2008-11-07 06:26 am UTC (link)
	... I did not know this page existed. Thank you! Cookies? Babies? Really lurid desserts made of Kool-aid and heavy cream? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	harrylovesron 2008-11-07 03:12 pm UTC (link)
	!!! I had no idea you could still do that! Thanks for the link; I'm so used to XColibur (it was the default when I created my main LJ in 2001 and I never changed), but it switched all my accounts to Horizon when I installed LJLogin to use my RP accounts easier. Now I can change back! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mindset 2008-11-07 07:01 am UTC (link)
	Or you can use Vertigo, with the Visions skin. I still have my beloved Dystopia, but with the benefit of all the new links. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mercorir 2008-11-07 01:00 pm UTC (link)
	I don't mind it, actually. (Reply to this)

	sidewinder 2008-11-07 01:03 pm UTC (link)
	I like it. (Reply to this)

	My $0.02 plus a buck will get you a cup of gas station coffee: kadath 2008-11-07 02:56 pm UTC (link)
	From a usability standpoint, they need to up some of the font sizes and increase the line spacing, because wall o' wee, undifferentiated text never works. I may write a Greasemonkey script to do that, actually.... Other than that, I am totally "whatever" about it. (Reply to this)

	photosinensis 2008-11-07 03:46 pm UTC (link)
	You might want to clean that spooge up, hon. (Reply to this)

	demonoflight 2008-11-07 03:49 pm UTC (link)
	Dude, the fuck with this. I'm still on Dystopia because I couldn't get used to the ugly new schemes when everyone told me I'd "get used to it". I feel the exact same way about this shitty new profile layout so fuck them. I want my old profile nack. (Reply to this)

	wankismyfandom 2008-11-07 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	After the teeny mashed-together text bits at the top, I guess it's not so bad? Which is to say, gives me old one back nao plz? (Reply to this)

	tree 2008-11-08 12:37 pm UTC (link)
	The utter "no style loaded" about it is... dull, actually. (Reply to this)

The problem isn't what it looks like...

unseelie
2008-11-10 05:48 am UTC (link)

It's what is underneath.
I run maximum redirect refusal and adblocking add-ons.
I haven't been able to look at an LJ page as they "should" appear for the better part of a week, and the profile is really really bad as of release date. This means they're relying on a ton of re-directs through their data-collection, marketing and spyware features.
I really hate that; people who have no business knowing where you're going and what you're looking at are collecting that information with every click around LJ.

I *hope* other people are noticing this and are as upset as they should be. It's not just a cosmetic issue, it's a control and tracking issue.

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