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	kadath 2008-12-18 05:46 pm UTC (link)
	Hah, no my SKEEVY ROMANCE ISSUES capslock comes out when I consider all the Anne McCaffrey books I loved as a 'tween. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	felinephoenix 2008-12-18 05:51 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I know that pain. :( But I still want tons of fire lizards. Menolly was, like, my hero. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kadath 2008-12-18 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	I was never as into the Dragonriders books as I was the Tower and Hive ones. I wanted to be a Talent SO BAD. I still kinda do. shifty eyes [reposted for not-actually-HTML fail] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	felinephoenix 2008-12-18 05:58 pm UTC (link)
	Ohhh, I never got into those, although I wanted to. It was a "devour every Dragonbook ever" fest for me at that age. ~~Okay, I admit it, McCaffrey books are still a guilty pleasure. A horrible OH GOD THE SKEEVY ISSUES guilty pleasure, but...~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kadath 2008-12-18 06:04 pm UTC (link)
	The Dragon books stayed better longer than the Talent ones; there are only three of those that are even what I'd call readable, plus the prequel Pegasus series. ~~And every last one of them is full of SKEEVY ROMANCE ISSUES.~~ I haven't read any McCaffrey in years. I should grab a couple from the library and see how they hold up. (Terribly, one assumes.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

felinephoenix
2008-12-18 06:15 pm UTC (link)

Well, from what I remember since the last time I read the Dragonrider trilogy... yeah, they hold up horribly. But I still thought the whole "Old Dragonriders and Old Ways vs. New Dragonriders and New Ways" subplot was good. As long as you ignored the SKEEVY MATING FLIGHTS and the SKEEVY WOMEN STEREOTYPES and the SKEEVY ROMANCE. I don't know, I still like aspects of the Pernverse, but sooo much of it gives me the squicks on re-reading.

Since I didn't really read anything other than Pern, I can't vouch for those books.

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	tofuknight 2008-12-18 06:18 pm UTC (link)
	My experience has been SKEEVY ROMANCE ISSUES remain ohsoskeevy and then you get the creeptastic feeling of how you didn't realize them earlier. Also, I can no longer stand any male in the Talent series except Afra, and that's before he gets married. Then he is back in the SKEEVYPANTS category. But... uh, I still like dragons? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	felinephoenix 2008-12-18 06:20 pm UTC (link)
	Ha, at least you didn't like F'nor. ~~I even thought he and Brekke would be cute together until the WTF DID HE RAPE HER AND SHE'S COOL WITH IT WTF.~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mercorir 2008-12-20 05:25 am UTC (link)
	Ha, at least you didn't like F'nor. :( (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kadath 2008-12-18 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	Also, I can no longer stand any male in the Talent series except Afra, and that's before he gets married. Then he is back in the SKEEVYPANTS category. Even at age 12, I was a bit D: at Damia marrying THE MAN SHE'S KNOWN ALL HER LIFE AND CALLS "UNCLE" WHO HELPED RAISE HER oh and also HIM HAPPILY GOING ALONG WITH IT WTF. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	felinephoenix 2008-12-18 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	Someone needs to make a list of skeevy Anne McCafferey romances, categorized by degree of D: I'm just not sure if I would laugh or cry at it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kadath 2008-12-18 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	Damia-Afra is much more skeevy than Menolly-Sebell, less skeevy than early Lessa-F'lar, and substantially less skeevy than Brekke-F'nor. HTH! ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	felinephoenix 2008-12-18 07:10 pm UTC (link)
	HOLY SHIT MACHINE MAN ICON. I mean, wow, that is a lot of skeeve. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tofuknight 2008-12-18 10:33 pm UTC (link)
	Especially since Afra can be said to have liked Damia as a substitute for unrequited love for the Rowan, who is Damia's mother. ...omg maybe SMeyer read this series when she was little and thought it was a GOOD IDEA! IT'S IMPRINTING! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	blue_penguin 2008-12-18 07:50 pm UTC (link)
	See, I refuse to re-read any of McCaffrey's stuff because I know the skeevy romance issues will spoil it for me now -- plus it'd be tainted by the knowledge that the author's totally batshit. I'd rather not destroy what's left of my fond early-adolescent memories of them (if... that makes sense). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tofuknight 2008-12-18 10:35 pm UTC (link)
	Makes total sense. For instance, I'm currently forgetting why above commenter mentions that Menolly-Sybell is a little skeevy AND I'M OK WITH FORGETTING. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

kadath
2008-12-18 10:55 pm UTC (link)

It's skeevy mostly because the Harper Hall books are about how amazing and awesomely talented Menolly is, yet her fucking cipher of a husband who never does anything is the one who succeeds Robinton as Master Harper in All the Weyrs or whenever it is gramps Harper kicks the bucket.

(Plus there's the background count skeevy of how even the least problematic of McCaffrey's romances are a bit 50s.)

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tofuknight
2008-12-23 08:20 pm UTC (link)

Oh right.

Though that reminds me that I thought when I was a youngun and reading those that actuall... Menolly was a lot more attracted to gramps Harper than anything else, and so was Sibell, and so CLEARLY the ending of Dragondrums should have been with the three of them as a threesome. I might have even been convinced that they actually were a threesome, but McCaffery just couldn't say so because it would be... not 50s?

And tehre's my thoughts on McCaffery yaoi. :D

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