iamnotyourmuse
2009-07-03 04:00 pm UTC (link)

Having been a part of a fandom where the active fans are a fairly tightknit group, I've seen it be applied to that tightknit group slamming someone and his/her work and fannish contributions to the point that there's no one willing to interact with that person for fear of the same treatment. No one's forcing that person to stop being a fan or to stop trying to interact with the fandom at large, but if the fandom has a core group and that core group doesn't want you around? I've seen people be made to feel very unwelcome, and that makes the fandom not so fun anymore, and why stick around if it's not fun anymore?

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	cat_mcdougall 2009-07-03 04:03 pm UTC (link)
	Man. Fandom really is like high school. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	iamnotyourmuse 2009-07-03 04:03 pm UTC (link)
	Adding on to my comment above: For a larger fandom, like, say, Harry Potter, the definition of "kicked out of fandom" might refer more to a particular corner of said fandom, like a couple of similarly themed LJ communities or the like. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	eilisliana 2009-07-03 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	I voluntarily left a small fandom because of the treatment from the 'core' section of that fandom. And it seriously harshened my squee on the original media. I eventually got some of my squee back but I won't go near that fandom. Plus I have a hard time finding new fandoms because of the experience. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	notjo 2009-07-03 04:42 pm UTC (link)
	They had a vote about Aja, IIRC. Ah, yes. F_W wiki to the rescue. They voted out Aja. This was, of course, Back In The Day. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	bigbigtruck 2009-07-03 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, wow, that was... wow. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	shaggydogstail 2009-07-03 05:29 pm UTC (link)
	I assumed it meant your fawning minions realised you were a talentless, stroppy egomaniac and weren't paying enough attention to you anymore. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mireille 2009-07-03 05:39 pm UTC (link)
	That's what it's meant when I've seen it, yeah. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	sarracenia 2009-07-03 05:51 pm UTC (link)
	"The part of the fandom that is shunning me are the only people in the English-speaking world into my favorite series! Mostly because I'm too unresourceful to find anyone else into it and would rather complain, anyway. Pity me :(" (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	tree 2009-07-03 06:02 pm UTC (link)
	I presume that by 'fandom' the complainers are referring to their ... circles, groups, what would be a good word for this? I've seen people driven out of mailing lists and Usenet groups, but they could always just move to - or form - another group focused on the same object-of-fandom. (Reply to this)(Thread)

uAnBqYItlsBfnblWfr - (Anonymous), 2009-07-25 06:11 pm UTC

feenix
2009-07-03 06:23 pm UTC (link)

Not only that, fandom is different things to different people. I mean, for example, I've heard "fandom" referred to quite a few times as the fic-writing corner of things, with satellites out in the vidding and art sections. When you section out fandom, it becomes a lot easier to "exclude" someone from it - you can be a fan still, but you're not in fandom.

Plus, as also stated above, if you're run out of the core of fandom, you're pretty much an "outcast." If you're banned from the major groups - say, you're in Hetalia fandom and you're banned from hetalia@lj...as I understand that, that goes a large way towards excluding you from fandom. There are other communities to be sure, but yeah.

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	rekall 2009-07-03 06:46 pm UTC (link)
	I can see being forced out of a LJ/mailing list/forum but not fandom itself. I've never been "kicked out" of a fandom before but if I was, I'd simply make my own sandbox to play in. Because I figure if I'm unhappy with the fandom then other people probably are too and they would join the new comm. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	kijikun 2009-07-03 08:12 pm UTC (link)
	I twitch when anyone declares themselves a BNF. 1. Why would you want to be one. 2. A great deal of people I would think of as BNFs don't want the title and certainly have more class then to declare themselves as one. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	msilverstar 2009-07-03 09:38 pm UTC (link)
	two of my sets of friends are steaming angry at each other, which makes me sad. One (or both) will probably feel they are pushed out of the fandom :-( (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2009-07-03 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	It really depends on the size of the fandom. If it's relatively small, and a clique of people are determined to get rid of you, they can just ramp up the nastiness/try to turn people against you until being in the fandom just isn't worth the pain/ (Reply to this)(Thread)

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kittikattie
2009-07-04 03:06 am UTC (link)

I was part of a very small fandom--AG. The fandom is mostly made up of older women or their younger/teenaged daughters, with a middle range of people like me who grew up with the dolls and are now adult collectors. A huge amount of the ones who weild the power/influence on the two largest boards (both under full lockdown) are stay at home moms, Christian, and conservative.

I got banned from one board in a giant sweep after several people challenged a new rule that was pretty much "no paganism in public", directed at me. My group was accused of "hacking" which we had never tried to do. I was banned from the second board for taking down my own posts after a blowup over an off topic picture, and the head of the board basically called me the ringleader for having the audacity to...be a mod on an eljay comm. And not tell people they were bad for voicing opinions on what I still feel is hypocrisy.

Because of my bannings, I can't get any news or information about what's upcoming American Girl--new things coming out, sneak peeks, basic updated information such as what's going to be retired/removed and such--unless it is secondhand. I still have the main community I helped found and run, but we don't get a lot in the way of news that's not secondhand. From what I've been told, I get namedropped and remembered, but I am effectively outcast from the two largest channels of information.

Also, not every fandom is writing art.

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	jabberwockypie 2009-07-04 03:09 am UTC (link)
	While I do think a lot of statements like that are pure melodrama, in very small fandoms it's not that hard for a small group of people to make things uncomfortable enough for someone to make them want to leave. I think it becomes a decision between "You know what? Fuck them. They can't dictate what I do." and "You know what, screw this, it's not worth my energy". (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2009-07-04 08:49 am UTC (link)
	OP is being a little blase and insensitive. I can see how a great deal of joy in fandom can come from your interactions with others. Even if a few other people are being deliberately hateful every time a comment is posted it really makes the whole thing too much like work! (Reply to this)(Thread)

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pastri_archy
2009-07-04 10:21 am UTC (link)
On the flip side: can you ever really divorce a fandom? Or is the connection permanent if you did more than lurk?
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sarahkjrsten
2009-07-04 03:48 pm UTC (link)
I was "kicked out of" a very small fandom. Lots of drama involved, but let's just say that by the time it was over, my enjoyment of the things that had made me a fan was utterly squashed. I gave away all of my books and dvds related to said fandom, and haven't visited a single website or community related to that fandom in well over three years.

The "kicking out" wasn't so much a vindictive banhammer, but bullying, exclusion, trolling my personal lj etc. I dealt with that enough in middle school so I decided to just wash my hands of the entire affair. Leaving the fandom entirely was my own decision.
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vzg
2009-07-05 01:33 am UTC (link)
Daaang. All this is making me quite glad I never get all that deep into a fandom. No one knows my name really or anything like that, and nobody can piss me off enough to ruin something I enjoy.
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