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mint & oranges ([info]coffee_mug) wrote in [info]fandom_lounge,
@ 2009-07-05 15:47:00


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Possible outing over at Marvel?
I don't follow comics much but since gay/bisexual canon characters tend to be of general interest, I redeem this worth sharing.

Apparently two of the lesser known Marvel characters, Shatterstar and Rictor, were recently featured re-uniting and kissing (the issue in which this happened was X-Factor #45).

From ONTD: Rob Liefeld, one of the Shatterstar's creators, has his panties in a bunch.

Quote: “… I have nothing against gays, I have gay family, nuthin’ but love here,” he wrote on his message board (registration required). “Ditto gay characters if that’s what their true origins are.

“As the guy that created, designed and wrote his first dozen appearances, Shatterstar is not gay. Sorry. Can’t wait to someday undo this. Seems totally contrived.”


...

Later he added, “Shatterstar is akin to Maximus in Gladiator. He’s a warrior, a Spartan, and not a gay one.”

The response by ONTD is largely "LOL Rob Liefeld".


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(Anonymous)
2009-07-05 01:14 pm UTC (link)
"He’s a warrior, a Spartan, and not a gay one."

He probably thinks the same thing about the dudes from 300.

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[info]wrenlet
2009-07-05 01:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm just so happy they finally went there. I haven't collected in years, but I still remember the last X-Force before the Age of Apocalypse crossover, Shatterstar pulled Ric out of a nightclub saying he needed to talk to him, and started (IIRC), "I need to tell you something, I-"... AND THEN THE WORLD ENDED. That was about a decade ago.

Rob needs to shut his piehole, "Seems totally contrived" my ass.

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[info]arionhunter
2009-07-05 01:34 pm UTC (link)
Writer Makes Just Another Liefeld Imitation on which Pouches are Hung interesting! Rob Liefeld complains!

Film at 11!

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[info]sockpuppeteer
2009-07-05 01:43 pm UTC (link)
Minor point, it was X-factor 45 not X-force.

I just find it rather funny that out of all the various warriors he could have picked, he would have to say Spartans.

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(no subject) - [info]coffee_mug, 2009-07-05 01:48 pm UTC
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[info]alya1989262
2009-07-05 01:52 pm UTC (link)
I started reading the 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings and now I can't stop laughing and I'm at work.

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(no subject) - [info]wook77, 2009-07-05 04:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]_goblin_, 2009-07-06 03:16 am UTC
THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]bubosquared, 2009-07-05 04:07 pm UTC
Re: THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]alya1989262, 2009-07-05 04:20 pm UTC
Re: THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]bubosquared, 2009-07-05 04:24 pm UTC
Re: THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]alya1989262, 2009-07-05 05:49 pm UTC
Re: THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]bubosquared, 2009-07-06 01:10 pm UTC
Re: THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2009-07-05 08:03 pm UTC
Re: THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]bubosquared, 2009-07-06 01:49 pm UTC
Re: THE PAIN BOSS THE PAIN D: - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2009-07-05 08:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2009-07-05 08:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-07-05 08:47 pm UTC
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[info]queencallipygos
2009-07-05 02:06 pm UTC (link)
“Shatterstar is akin to Maximus in Gladiator. He’s a warrior, a Spartan, and not a gay one.”

Setting aside the whole "Spartans didn't have gay sex" part of his argument -- does he know that the Spartans were Greek, and that gladiators were Roman?

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(no subject) - [info]coffee_mug, 2009-07-05 02:12 pm UTC
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[info]freezer
2009-07-05 02:13 pm UTC (link)
"As the guy that created, designed and wrote his first dozen appearances, Shatterstar is for all intents and purposes a different charcacter from the one-note grimdark badass I wrote fifteen years ago and is much better for it"


Fixed that for ya, Rob!

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[info]luxshine
2009-07-05 02:16 pm UTC (link)
What I think it's lovely is that he thinks someone will un-do it when practically *everyone* thought Shatty was gay, way back in X-Force. I think he even was in the 'top gay characters' lists or something.

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[info]ladyofviolets
2009-07-05 02:28 pm UTC (link)
//"He’s a warrior, a Spartan, and not a gay one."//

LIEFEEEEEEELD! You're not thinking fo the bisexuaaaaaaaals!

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(no subject) - [info]harrylovesron, 2009-07-05 03:10 pm UTC

[info]kylenne
2009-07-05 02:34 pm UTC (link)
You know, whenever someone starts off a sentence with, "I have nothing against gays", it tends not to end well.

Also, Rob? I'm pretty sure Captain America isn't supposed to look like a 'roid freak either. :P

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2009-07-05 03:03 pm UTC
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[info]vzg
2009-07-05 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Liefeld, you enormous toolbag.

I tried to get a pictures of him at NYCC, because the giant display image behind him was so hideous it was laughable, but alas, I had my camera on the wrong setting and thought it might start to look suspicious if I hung back and snapped pictures while laughing any longer than I already had.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2009-07-05 03:37 pm UTC (link)
In conclusion: cousins.

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[info]obsidianwolf
2009-07-05 03:43 pm UTC (link)
A small part of me really hopes Peter David responds so he and his fanboys can get into a pissing contest with Leifeld and his.

Also Marvel may have done some incredibly poorly thought out moves in the past but even Marvel isn't stupid enough to finally out a character in 616 and then let someone take it back.



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[info]bubosquared
2009-07-05 04:01 pm UTC (link)
In conclusion: shut your pie-hole, Liefeld.

(That is, unless someone feels brave enough to casually ask him how he feels about the subtext (for ... varying definitions of "sub", tbh) in Cable&Deadpool. Because I feel his reaction to that would be hilarious.)

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[info]papervolcano
2009-07-05 04:02 pm UTC (link)
GIP!

Liefeld can comment on other people's development of his work-for-hire characters when he stops perpetrating things like the above on other people's.

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(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2009-07-06 02:45 am UTC
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[info]tetradecimal
2009-07-05 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Publicity stunt yey!

Instead of making random new gay/bi characters, why not take better care of the characters they already have?

Like Northstar :(

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(no subject) - [info]ninwhore, 2009-07-05 06:57 pm UTC
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[info]misachan
2009-07-05 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Bwahahahahaha! I knew Liefeld would throw a fit!

People have been speculating about Rictor and 'Star for well over a decade now. This isn't exactly an out-of-nowhere development.

Look, I always give Rob Liefeld a little bit of slack because he technically created so many of my favorite characters --- but he's their sperm donor, at best. He was always great at coming up with a character that looked coolbut where complete ciphers otherwise; everything people really like about Cable, Deadpool, Shatterstar, Domino, etc. was contributed by other writers.

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[info]ninwhore
2009-07-05 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I wonder how much he hated the Cable and Deadpool run then.

Also I approve of the kiss more then them having the two hook up. CAN TEDDY AND BILLY DO MORE THEN HUG NOW?

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[info]skypirate
2009-07-05 06:13 pm UTC (link)
My mind immediately goes to Rage, the Gay Crusader when gay superheroes are mentioned. Oh QaF.

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2009-07-07 07:43 pm UTC
LLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[info]platedlizard
2009-07-05 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Liefeld's Cap sure has a micropenis.

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Re: LLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - [info]obsidianwolf, 2009-07-05 06:33 pm UTC
Re: LLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - [info]caito, 2009-07-05 10:45 pm UTC
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[info]atreyu
2009-07-05 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Way to stay the classy douchebag there, Rob.

I could have sworn Shatterstar was not only gay, that he has been for years.

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[info]the_sun_is_up
2009-07-05 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing against gays, I have gay family

I first misread that as "I have a gay family" and was very confused/amused.

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(Anonymous)
2009-07-06 01:33 am UTC (link)
People would take his ideas on characterization more seriously if any of his characters had any. Just nod and smile and thank the writers for giving your guys some depth, Rob.

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[info]tofuknight
2009-07-07 07:45 pm UTC (link)
He's never seen Gladiator, has he? Because while Maximus is pretty het, he and the rest of the movie is so ROME AND THE ROMANS!! ROMAN, I TELL YOU!! that even such a myopic little bugdick like Liefield should have picked it up.

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