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	sgtgeorgecarter 2009-02-14 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	I think they may be enacting the "paybacks are a bitch" rule. (Reply to this)(Thread)

stella_polaris
2009-02-14 09:16 pm UTC (link)

No, I'm pretty sure it's just them being idiots. It's usually easy to tell if a writer has enough skill to take a trope or a stereotype and turn it on its head to show that "still think it's funny, huh?", and this particular fic just wasn't. It was so obviously clueless that I couldn't even finish reading it. I did skim it through to see if anything similar happened to the female characters, but as far as I could tell, they didn't even address the issue of one of the de-aged girls already having an adult boyfriend. Wtf.

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	sgtgeorgecarter 2009-02-14 09:44 pm UTC (link)
	Dunno man, you're the one reading SGA. I think all of it is pretty WTF. Isn't SGA one of the ones that had race issues? Sounds like the cluebat needs to make a visit. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	stella_polaris 2009-02-14 09:47 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, but it's more the show that has the racial issues, rather than the fics. The fic in the fandom is probably the best I've ever read. There are some rotten apples like the one I mentioned in my post, but as a whole, it's pretty amazing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladybirdsleeps 2009-02-15 06:12 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, but it's more the show that has the racial issues, rather than the fics. No, a lot of the fic has racial issues, too - that's prompted some wank. Anyone remember the barista blow-up? There's a lot of good fic that doesn't have racial or gender issues, though. The fandom's one of the best I've read widely in, as far as quality of the fics goes. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	stella_polaris 2009-02-15 08:03 pm UTC (link)
	I don't remember, but I've only been in the fandom for a little less than a year, so I might've just missed it. But yes, the fic quality is what kept me in the fandom, I have to say. Partly it's even what got me in it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eilan 2009-02-16 05:34 pm UTC (link)
	One fic = a lot of it? I actually agree, though. The fact that both Teyla and Ronon magically disappear in a lot of the fic is very... strange. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	stella_polaris 2009-02-16 08:58 pm UTC (link)
	I only read McShep, but they seem to do that to all characters and concentrate on just John and Rodney. I don't think it's about race. Can't talk for Gen fics though. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

darkrose
2009-02-18 07:15 am UTC (link)

I only read McShep, but they seem to do that to all characters and concentrate on just John and Rodney. I don't think it's about race.

The thing is that most McShep fics manage to find places to stick all of the other characters. Cadman's a mainstay, even though she was in a grand total of two episodes back in second season. And how often does Parrish show up (paired with Lorne)? His screen time is less than 30 seconds--but he'll be in fics where every single character gets a walk-on except for Teyla and Ronon.

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	beachlass 2009-02-14 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	blinks I must have been reading the non-insane part of the SGA fandom today. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	stella_polaris 2009-02-14 09:45 pm UTC (link)
	It was an old fic. I stumbled upon it when I was looking for fics with younger Rodney. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tintin 2009-02-15 12:09 am UTC (link)
	This is why I don't read de-aged fics. They usually come with weird issues. (Reply to this)(Thread)

stella_polaris
2009-02-15 12:15 am UTC (link)

I don't even mind it if the issues are actually addressed. I'm not squeamish about the age-difference thing as long as there's an adult mind involved, and no one's actually de-aged to being a kid or something, and if well written, it can lead to some very interesting characterisation and interaction, but...

Then there are writers who don't seem to have a goddamned clue about what they're doing, and then they do stupid shit like this and think it passes for humour.

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tintin
2009-02-15 12:17 am UTC (link)

What bothers me about de-aged fics is they're usually about how no one thinks McKay is hot and suddenly he's a teen/young adult and the entire base thinks he's the hottest thing evar, and they wax poetic about his big blue eyes and his curly blond hair and his rail-thin body. I'm not necessarily a huge McKay fan, but something about that really skeeves me.

On the other hand, Skoosie's fic duo where Ronon, Sheppard, and McKay are turned into five year-olds is adorable.

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stella_polaris
2009-02-15 12:25 am UTC (link)

Yeah those fics annoy me too. But I like the ones that have Sheppard lusting after McKay no matter what he looks like :>

Actually there's one that's a favourite of mine where Rodney isn't de-aged, he's simply younger than the rest of the characters and joins the SGA program a lot later, at the age of 22. And then John has issues about the fact that Rodney's so much younger than him and flirting with him all the time, but obviously it ends in hotness and happiness :P

But yeah, it was well written and it actually dealt with the whole age issue. And the fact that the age difference was probably about ten years, and the fact that Rodney was in his twenties and not stereotypicall innocent and virginical kept it from being too creepy, without ignoring the issue completely.

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	ladybirdsleeps 2009-02-15 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	Link plz? That sounds interesting. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	stella_polaris 2009-02-15 08:04 pm UTC (link)
	Sweetheart Deal by Neevebrody: http://neevebrody.livejournal.com/76634.html#cutid1 (Reply to this)(Parent)

	luthe 2009-02-15 05:23 am UTC (link)
	...but did they tie a ribbon around his willie? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	stella_polaris 2009-02-15 12:44 pm UTC (link)
	They didn't, luckily the fic was PG-13, I don't even want to know what kind of idiocy the writer would've created if they'd tried to write the sex. Someone else did though, but that wasn't a de-aged Rodney and was actually a very good fic written for 14 Valentines. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	beachlass 2009-02-15 07:20 pm UTC (link)
	Oh yes. (Reply to this)(Parent)

luthe
2009-02-15 09:39 pm UTC (link)

They crept up on that sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold for them to view beneath his Scottish skirt
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth...

They marveled for a moment then one said we must be gone
Let's leave a present for our friend before we move along
As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon tied into a bow
Around the bonnie star the Scots kilt did lift and show...

-The Scotsman, traditional folk song

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	stella_polaris 2009-02-15 09:41 pm UTC (link)
	:DDD Thanks for that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	delineated 2009-02-15 09:46 pm UTC (link)
	I wish I could find the fic that had Teyla go up to Carson with a blue ribbon saying "McKay and Sheppard told me I should ask to see your sword, so that I could adorn it with this piece of fabric. Apparently it is some custom among your people?" It was cute. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	stella_polaris 2009-02-15 09:47 pm UTC (link)
	:D Ask SGA Storyfinders. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	skeleton_key 2009-02-15 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	That is so adorable. In a weird way. I also love the song. I've never heard of this before. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	honorh 2009-02-17 01:37 am UTC (link)
	"Lad, I dinnae where ye been, but I see you won first prize!" I love that song. (Reply to this)(Parent)

honorh
2009-02-17 01:43 am UTC (link)

I think that sometimes, a situation that wouldn't be funny with one gender can be funny with the other, especially if it's a reversal from what one would expect. Admittedly, this is coming from someone who once set the Doctor and Jack on an auction block as potential concubines to rich women while Rose had to think fast to get them out of there. Could've been creepy with women on the block.

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	stella_polaris 2009-02-17 12:44 pm UTC (link)
	It's funny if it's done with the intent of switching gender roles on their heads, but it's not so funny when the writer's just being clueless. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	munchkinott 2009-02-18 05:05 am UTC (link)
	Could've been creepy with women on the block. Would've been awesome with Donna. Sorta like Gladiator only with much more violence. (Reply to this)(Parent)