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Eleutheria ([info]eleutheria) wrote in [info]fandom_rant,
@ 2009-04-05 07:17:00


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Current mood:Peeved

dear condescending fans
I get that our show is very likely to be cancelled, and in the face of that, you're defensive about loving the show. I get that. But this narrative that this show is some kind of high art that only the smart and educated can understand, and that you're some kind of drooling moron if you don't appreciate the meandering navel-gazing wastes of episodes in the middle of the season artful, masterful way the writers wove this season's plots is really fucking annoying. I'm glad that your "MFA-in-writing" told you how special and carefully contextual all the hidden, coded messages in the season were, but a lot of people disliked them and thought it was so much wasted space and angsting emo-teenager-ness and plots that could have been done in half the time and been infinitely more tolerable. So many people, in fact, that the show is teetering on the brink of cancellation heaven. So you rely on calling all those irritated fans idiots, and say how other, more popular shows are a "chancre" on society (yes, SPN and 24 fans, your show is for idiots and it's ruining the world, didn't you know?, and go on about how this show is the next "Mad Men" and the writer is "just like Whedon" (I swear, if I hear it compared to The Wire, I'm going to start punching people). Look, I and a lot of other people like what they're doing with it now, but think it's too little, too late. That's a valid opinion, even if it's not yours, and people who hold it aren't stupid or less educated than you. Get over yourselves.

Also, people can like whichever characters they want and dislike whichever characters they want without getting your permission in advance. Because some people are angry at their favorite character getting offed and no longer care about the show doesn't make them "irrational". The title character is your favorite. That's great. But people are perfectly within their rights not to like her, or the way the show portrays her. Yes, you can be a fan of a show and not glom onto some parts of it. Really. Again, get the hell over yourselves.



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[info]coffee_mug
2009-04-05 02:11 pm UTC (link)
I had no idea TSCC collected such a following of fans of the "this is intellectual and stimulating and amazing writing" mentality! Good to know.

Re: Dollhouse, on my flist everybody's reaction has been "wow, this is so skeevy/wrong/off-putting .. but I can't stop watching, it's a trainwreck!".

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[info]weaselistic
2009-04-05 02:44 pm UTC (link)
Re: Dollhouse, on my flist everybody's reaction has been "wow, this is so skeevy/wrong/off-putting .. but I can't stop watching, it's a trainwreck!".
I do watch it for the trainwreck factor (it reminds me of "Ninja Cheerleaders" - isn't sexual exploitation horrible? yes it is, now have some more strip dancing scenes), but there are actually people who defend Whedon, the series and even the Dollhouse employees' actions. The fandom is its own trainwreck.

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[info]liz_marcs
2009-04-05 04:49 pm UTC (link)
It's kind of fascinating watching people in the fandom twist themselves into knots.

There are those who do watch for the total trainwreck factor, and totally own the skeevy, which is totally cool IMHO.

And then there's that hardcore "Whedon is My Master Now" group who is trying to convince the world that it's not really skeevy, you just think it's skeevy but really it's not because it's a Criticism of Big Hollywood (?!?) or a meta-commentary on how Women are Exploited by the Patriarchy (?!?), which you should know because Eliza Dushku is blinking in code. Or something.

Seriously, the Whedonesque comment threads on Dollhouse is like stepping through the looking glass. For the first time ever, the LJ fans are the sane ones.

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[info]weaselistic
2009-04-05 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Criticism of Big Hollywood (?!?)

Wow, I didn't know that was a common interpretation. o_o I haven't looked at Whedonesque yet, but I saw the same idea on TWoP...

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[info]puipui
2009-04-05 08:05 pm UTC (link)
My god. Your icon. *awestruck*

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[info]eleutheria
2009-04-06 12:47 am UTC (link)
Much of my rant is about the TWoP SCC forums (with a side order of LJ comms having a milder version of the same stupidity), and reading your comment it looks like the same idea is replicated into Dollhouse.

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[info]eleutheria
2009-04-06 12:45 am UTC (link)
Any idea where I can find discussion of the show that's in the former category? I've looked, and all I can find is the "Whedon is my master!" crap.

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[info]brown_betty
2009-04-06 06:30 am UTC (link)
coffeeandink had a series of posts, although a lot off her lj is locked atm.

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[info]sparkthatbled
2009-04-05 11:50 pm UTC (link)
Is that Cheerleader Ninjas with porn star Kira Reed, or Ninja Cheerleaders with George Takei?

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[info]weaselistic
2009-04-06 08:17 am UTC (link)
The latter.

Idon't think I saw Cheerleader Ninjas, but maybe I've seen a trailer. Is it good? (By good I mean... entertainingly trainwrecky?

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[info]sparkthatbled
2009-04-06 11:37 am UTC (link)
Well... There's a lot of farting going on. And a group of nerds who are basically "Trekkies". And at one point there's a giant robot fight in which one of the robots farts. A lot of farting going on. And gay stereotyping.

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[info]weaselistic
2009-04-06 01:06 pm UTC (link)
That sounds horrible. :( In that case, I prefer Ninja Cheerleaders.

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[info]bigbigtruck
2009-04-06 06:32 pm UTC (link)
"Ninja Cheerleaders"

I only know of this movie's existence by its appearance on the Photoshop Disasters blog.

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[info]eleutheria
2009-04-05 04:53 pm UTC (link)
I had no idea TSCC collected such a following of fans of the "this is intellectual and stimulating and amazing writing" mentality!

More like the "this is intellectual and amazing writing, too bad it's stuck with such a moronic action-franchise fanbase that doesn't like good writing" mentality, which is wrong. Action fans (which you'd expect, given that the show is still called Terminator) like good writing too, just not the navel-gazing fest and trip to Dawson's Creek that we had earlier this year.

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[info]sandglass
2009-04-05 09:52 pm UTC (link)
It was only a trainwreck until episode five, and then episode six came around and everyone started wondering how they were made by the same people.

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[info]firebad
2009-04-05 10:47 pm UTC (link)
And then episode seven came around and I was back to wondering how this piece of crap ever got made.

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[info]sandglass
2009-04-05 10:50 pm UTC (link)
I think Fox has a hard on for firing Wheden.

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