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undomielregina 2009-09-30 10:28 pm UTC (link)

While I did find the style of the first book uncomfortable stilted, everything else makes me facepalm. Especially the last bit (although that also made me snicker)...among other issues, I know that the "my dear" bit is an artifact of the fact that the novel started as Aubrey/Maturin fanfic, and they talk like that in canon. In addition, since O'Brien's novels are so period accurate, one may reasonably assume that that was appropriate address for a close platonic male friend. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	eleutheria 2009-10-01 12:35 am UTC (link)
	the fact that the novel started as Aubrey/Maturin fanfic Wait, what? Temeraire started as Aubrey/Maturin fanfic? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sgaana 2009-10-01 12:54 am UTC (link)
	While I hadn't heard that precisely, given the author, it wouldn't be the biggest surprise in the world. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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	beachlass 2009-10-01 03:07 am UTC (link)
	(previous comment deleted for user pic fail) Wait - is that outing someone? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

undomielregina 2009-10-01 03:13 am UTC (link)

I was trying hard not to do that explicitly. I've kept track of what she has to say on the topic, and it's been about it being okay to link her fandom persona to the books but not her RL persona to her fanfic, since she's cool with fandom people discovering the books, but not with non-fandom people discovering the fic. (I did try to keep the book's name out of my first post on the subject, and I can delete and just repost with the quote and no link if the mods think that would be better.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	undomielregina 2009-10-01 03:15 am UTC (link)
	err, to link people who know her fandom persona to her books but not people who only know her RL persona to her fanfic. I don't know, I was trying to be careful, and I may delete the comment and repost sans link in any case, because on reflection that does skirt the line pretty badly. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	alana 2009-10-01 03:20 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, that seemed a bit iffy to me-- though I still have to thank you for the link, because she had a Vorkosigan tag, that led me to awesome slashfic recs. \o/ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2009-10-01 03:33 am UTC (link)
	What IS the name of the book? From what I'm hearing in the comments, I think I wanna read it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

alana 2009-10-01 03:46 am UTC (link)

The Temeraire books! The first is His Majesty's Dragon, then Throne of Jade, Black Powder War, Empire of Ivory, and Victory of Eagles, and I believe the working title for the next one is something about serpents? Tongue of Serpents, maybe. It's Napoleonic historical AU. With dragons. Adorable dragons that have been domesticated and bred into an air force by most nations in the world. <3 (Most of the negative reviews on Amazon seem to agree that it's really the romance between a man and his dragon. They also seem to think that's a bad thing, though I'll be damned if I know why.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2009-10-01 04:11 am UTC (link)
	That sounds... really good, actually. Ima check it out. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	scifantasy 2009-10-01 04:20 am UTC (link)
	While I would never recommend that you not pay authors for their works, I feel honor-bound to point out this post from the author (in her professional, non-fandom capacity), and to point out the part about "nice shiny PDF with no horrible DRM." Enjoy. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2009-10-01 04:26 am UTC (link)
	nabbed! I always buy if I like anyway. Thank you very much (Reply to this)(Parent)

	b_jellybean 2009-10-01 10:44 am UTC (link)
	Is it wrong of me that I ship the dragons? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lady_jafaria 2009-10-02 02:44 am UTC (link)
	I'm reading His Majesty's Dragon right now (well, not "right now" as in "as I type this" but in a more general sense. I was like "Squee, dragons!" (My favorite "Squee, Dragons" book is still Bazil Broketail though.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

Reposted to remove a problematic link undomielregina 2009-10-01 03:16 am UTC (link)

Ah-ha, I've spent the last half-hour since you left your comment trying to figure out where I saw that. Here's the quote: Thanks to the magic of MS Word statistics and probably to no one's great shock, I can inform you all it was started on January 8, 2004, about ten days before I sat down to write a different fantasy AU story and suddenly went, you know what, this isn't so much fanfic anymore, and these aren't Jack and Stephen, ("this is not my beautiful house") and off I went to frolic with dragons. *g* (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Reposted to remove a problematic link eleutheria 2009-10-01 03:37 am UTC (link)
	Thanks for the quote. Why is the link problematic? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Reposted to remove a problematic link undomielregina 2009-10-01 03:40 am UTC (link)
	It's posted by the author in her fandom persona, so it would allow anyone who found the post to connect the two... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Reposted to remove a problematic link eleutheria 2009-10-01 06:08 am UTC (link)
	Okay, TY. I have your original comment in email, and just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to end up with a virus or something if I clicked on it. I won't pass on the connection to anyone. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Reposted to remove a problematic link undomielregina 2009-10-01 06:48 am UTC (link)

Thanks. Regarding not sharing the information, her policy is that if it's directing people who know her from fandom to her books, that's cool. She just really, really doesn't want her non-fandom readers finding her slash fic when googling her. Since this is a grey area (directing fandom people who know her books to her fandom name), I decided to be cautious/polite and repost. Which means that if you hear someone say something like "I love X's fic," it's totally fine to mention that she's written an awesome novel series too. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	scifantasy 2009-10-01 03:30 am UTC (link)
	You know, I didn't know precisely that the book was Aubrey/Maturin fanfic, but I'm not extremely surprised. Then, I think that's nothing on "the Vorkosigan Saga started life as Trek fanfic." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	alana 2009-10-01 03:45 am UTC (link)
	What, it did? Oh, Bujold. <3 (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	scifantasy 2009-10-01 03:47 am UTC (link)
	It was at a very early level, like Temeraire...but think about it. Scientifically advanced, permissive, post-scarcity, utopian culture meets old-fashioned, honor-bound, patriarchal, militaristic culture. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	alana 2009-10-01 04:08 am UTC (link)
	I think this deserves an adoring dude. I didn't think it was possible to love the Vorkosiganverse any more, seriously. <3 (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

scifantasy 2009-10-01 04:16 am UTC (link)

Indeed. For the record, if you'll forgive my putting my law student hat on momentarily (yeah, right; as if I can ever take it off), this is not to say that I think for one second that these murky pre-conceptual origins detract from the originality of the Vorkosigan Saga setting--far from it. In my not-yet-professional opinion, there isn't enough there to form even the ghost of the possibility of the faintest glimmer of the remotest chance of a lawsuit for any sort of infringement. But if you know what you're looking for, you can see the resonances. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	magnolia_mama 2009-10-01 01:39 pm UTC (link)
	Ever since I first heard about the Vorkosigan saga's distant fannish origins, I've had the strangest craving for Janeway/Gen. Martok... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pariforma 2009-10-01 01:53 pm UTC (link)
	I think that Aral was originally a Klingon, and Cordelia a Starfleet officer. Or so I heard. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	msmanna 2009-10-01 09:14 am UTC (link)
	While I did find the style of the first book uncomfortable stilted, everything else makes me facepalm. Do they get better? I was pretty 'eh' about the first one, so I never bothered picking up any more of them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	undomielregina 2009-10-01 07:24 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, they do. The styling clears right up into pretty damn good writing in the second. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bonnche 2009-10-02 11:30 pm UTC (link)
	Seconding that. I put down the first one after like 30 pages because the writing wasn't to my taste, but later on I gave it another shot and now it's my favorite series. (Reply to this)(Parent)

beccastareyes 2009-09-30 11:01 pm UTC (link)

Hell, in that case, wouldn't they both be derivative of Pern -- I mean, Dragonsong (or Dragonsinger -- the first one in the Harper Hall trilogy) has a girl finding a clutch of fire lizard eggs in a cave and rescued them from a natural disaster? (Actually I do like the Temeraire series for actually trying to reason out how does a society (or many societies) deal with sentient nonhuman dragons, especially when there is a pressing military need for them as an air force.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	alana 2009-10-01 02:01 am UTC (link)
	I imagine they could all be traced back even farther, which is beside the point, because lol at Eragon being infinitely superior to anything. XD (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	beccastareyes 2009-10-01 02:03 am UTC (link)
	OH, heavens. I can't say I've read Eragon, but from what I've heard, you can tell the writer wrote it as a teenager. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	scifantasy 2009-10-01 03:31 am UTC (link)
	And was only published 'cause his parents owned a publishing company. Gah. It's Star Wars with someone else as the father. Why in God's name did I read that book? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mefan 2009-09-30 11:14 pm UTC (link)
	Who, exactly, is Jane Austin and am I supposed to know her? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	purple_smurf 2009-10-01 01:49 am UTC (link)
	I think she wrote a series of romances set in Texas during the Regency? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	alana 2009-10-01 01:54 am UTC (link)
	Ffff-- Sorry, sorry, my bad. XD;; Are we allowed to blame headcolds for misspellings? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mefan 2009-10-01 02:30 am UTC (link)
	As someone currently getting over the flu, I'd say yes. I'm not generally one to point out typos and the like, but the 'Jane Austin' thing is one that I've never been able to resist . . . (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ealusaid 2009-10-01 04:28 am UTC (link)
	What, you've never heard of her? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bobafeis 2009-10-01 12:19 am UTC (link)
	Now I am imagining the mechanics Laurence/Temeraire and I need to stab myself in the brain repeatedly. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	alana 2009-10-01 01:58 am UTC (link)
	I imagine that they have such an adorable bromance of such epic proportions that all they really need to do is carry on as they have in canon. Snuggles and book-reading and getting things for each other, aww. <3 Either that, or magic turning Temeraire human. (Or turning Laurence dragon!) Because otherwise it's very awkward indeed. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bobafeis 2009-10-01 08:27 am UTC (link)
	And now I'm imaging Temeraire as human, and being insanely overprotective of his crew. Only, because he's human and this is fanfic I'm talking about, they would also be his harem. "No, you can't ogle Laurence/Granby/Midshipman Bob who we've never heard of before this! He's mine!" (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eleutheria 2009-10-01 06:09 am UTC (link)
	You and me both. I never even considered that ship, and now I'm thoroughly squicked. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rani 2009-10-01 02:04 am UTC (link)
	A very uncomfortable feeling.....in my pants!! (Reply to this)

	cjk 2009-10-01 08:03 am UTC (link)
	*looks thoughtfully at her bookshelf* I really ought to re-read the Temeraire series. Did Naomi announce when the next one is coming out? And does anybody know of any decent Laurence/Granby fanfic? (Reply to this)

	anonyrat 2009-10-04 02:02 am UTC (link)
	I'm reminded of a review on Amazon for Ellen Kushner's Swordspoint, where the reviewer was annoyed that she found out that the main character was gay 80 pages into the book and that totally killed her ability to sympathize with him. Nevermind that, at 80 pages into the book, he had already murdered three people on-camera. (Reply to this)