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urpletastic ([info]urpletastic) wrote in [info]fandom_rant,
@ 2009-10-02 09:45:00


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I recently started reccing for an online community and have been wandering about the net to see what Shakespeare slash I could scare up that was worth reviewing. Most of the ones I'm interested in I already knew about, but I came across one that should have been good; it was from one of the histories, right in my ballpark, and by an author I knew had the academic background to make it work.

Alas.

The bloody thing was peppered with footnotes.

Footnotes. In slash fiction.

Dear author: the point of writing fiction is to take the reader out of the world and give them a unique experience. The point is not to educate them, nor even to show them how bloody clever you think you are. If this is your purpose, don't write slash - write an essay.

Pick a horse and ride it; don't try to saddle two at once.

I tried. God knows I tried. It should have been good, but at the end of every other sentence there was a damned pothook leading to half a page of notes. Here's a little hint: If the explanation takes up a greater amount of text than the story you're doing it wrong.

And the point of writing slash fiction is not, and never has been, to show off. The point is to entertain. Some people manage both, admittedly, but entertainment should be the priority.

This woman should get over herself, and in a big hurry.

x-posted from my LJ


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[info]msmanna
2009-10-02 10:15 am UTC (link)
Ooh, linky, please! I love fiction with footnotes.

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 10:20 am UTC (link)
Okay, because after I went to all that trouble to anonymise the author I am obviously going to link to her story.

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[info]msmanna
2009-10-02 11:32 am UTC (link)
Oops, no, sorry -- I didn't mean post a link here. Mail it, of course. Doesn't Journalfen support email for paid accounts?

...

Okay, I tested it, and apparently it doesn't. Or it does, but my account doesn't count as paid. Please, would you send the link to msmanna at gmail dot com, then? Hand on my heart, I have no intention whatsoever of pointing the author back here. I just absolutely love the idea of good Shakespeare slash with footnotes.

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 12:55 pm UTC (link)
Okay, no problem, I'll check it out and mail you.

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[info]stinksap
2009-10-02 01:11 pm UTC (link)
I'd love a link to the community you're recc'ing to- I had no idea Shakespeare slash communities existed!

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 03:16 pm UTC (link)
I'm reccing once a week at http://community.livejournal.com/epic_recs/ with Shakespeare being one of the fandoms I rec for, but there are a couple of communities on LJ who deal with Shakespeare - bard_slash, thisengland, historic_slash, rarelitslash and rareslash all have Shakespeare slash and there's quite a lot of it on Yuletide as well. The quality does vary a bit so as usual it's caveat lector!

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[info]stinksap
2009-10-03 12:44 am UTC (link)
Thank you!

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[info]msmanna
2009-10-02 01:13 pm UTC (link)
Awesome, thank you :-)

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 03:16 pm UTC (link)
You should have received it by now 8-P)))

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[info]msmanna
2009-10-03 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Did you send it to the gmail address? If so, it hasn't arrived there yet. :-(

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-05 11:41 am UTC (link)
Oops, yes I did. Do you have an alternate address?

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[info]msmanna
2009-10-05 12:14 pm UTC (link)
Give ms_manna at livejournal dot com a try, please. I just tested it and it seemed to work okay.

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[info]sizer
2009-10-02 11:18 am UTC (link)
Were they snarky footnotes or academic footnotes? I'm guessing the latter. :/

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 12:55 pm UTC (link)
Academic. And *minutely detailed*.

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[info]sgtgeorgecarter
2009-10-02 06:58 pm UTC (link)
oh lord I want to read this badly....

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[info]gmth
2009-10-02 11:49 am UTC (link)
There's a (terrible) writer in one of my fandoms who laces every single fic with footnotes. Every time he references a moment from canon, he footnotes it so we all know what episode it comes from. After a while it gets kind of hysterical.

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[info]ellensmithee
2009-10-02 12:28 pm UTC (link)
That makes me want to write a parody fiction that does just that.

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[info]hallidae
2009-10-02 02:45 pm UTC (link)
There was only one time I can thing of where it worked- I can't even remember what anime series it was for, but one of the most hilarious fics I ever read had footnotes that were done in the style of old-school "Stan Lee" editorial notes, and the author had Lee's "voice" down to an art. What made it even funnier (but, sadly, I think got it deleted) was that a flame war broke out in the reviews between the straight-up anime fans, who didn't get the reference and thought the notes were horrible, and the anime-and-comic fans, who thought it was the funniest parody ever.

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[info]adevyish
2009-10-03 01:19 am UTC (link)
There was also this great HP fic where all footnotes were written by Draco's very snarky secretary.

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[info]come_love_sleep
2009-10-03 08:22 pm UTC (link)
I would like to read this.

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[info]adevyish
2009-10-04 01:15 am UTC (link)
Here it is.

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[info]seiberwing
2009-10-03 04:11 am UTC (link)
I've seen that done in several Hogan's Heroes fics (from different authors, mind). It's kinda strange.

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[info]herongale
2009-10-02 02:27 pm UTC (link)
One of the best and most dangerous aspects of fanfiction writing is that is can make you want to do research. It's great to be excited about learning new things, and it's fun to imagine how some researched facts can enrich your mental fantasy world. But, as you say. Fanfic scholarship isn't about proving what you know, but in USING what you know as texture to strengthen the underlying story. People are not doing it right when they flip that formula and instead use story as a means for illustrating fact. Illustrating fact via story is a wonderful teaching tool, but it's the worst kind of sabotage if the goal is the story itself.

I learned a long time ago that the key thing with research is restraint. A gallon of research isn't worth a gallon of text, but usually a teaspoonful... a passing reference, maybe, or a smart allusion. A little goes a long way.

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 03:18 pm UTC (link)
A gallon of research isn't worth a gallon of text, but usually a teaspoonful...

Nicely put. A variation on the "kill the darlings" rule, I think.

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[info]jat_sapphire
2009-10-02 03:58 pm UTC (link)
I guess I've been lucky in that most of my gallons of research have been designed to produce teaspoonfuls: when did people start using buttonhooks? What did Vauxhall look like in around 1802? What was the weather like around New Year's in Oxfordshire? What should my crossdresser wear under his panniered dress? Takes hours, yields a line of description or a clearer mental picture for me.

The only time I've noted anything is for a Heyer fic, and besides the canon texts I'd used Ricktor Norton, whom I adored, so I linked his online chapters. But geez, no footnoting. Nobody but me is interested while the story is going on, I do hope.

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[info]notarose
2009-10-02 06:36 pm UTC (link)
So, um, when did people start using buttonhooks? And wear under panniered dresses? Because you've got me curious and I'm supposed to be getting up and out to go shopping, not bogged down in delicious, delicious research.

Oh, analogy/simile/metaphor time: Research is the nectar, the fiction (fan or original) is the honey.

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[info]adevyish
2009-10-03 01:20 am UTC (link)
One of my favourites is looking up which English words existed in [insert year here]. Any excuse to pull out the 8-volume OED!

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[info]frau_eva
2009-10-02 03:56 pm UTC (link)
There was a tiny shitstorm a few months back on fanficrants when one fan sought to educate the masses that Wikipedia was not a good enough source for the footnotes in your Hetalia fic. HETALIA. And some jumped on my "Bitch, please" with "Some people just have STANDARDS and an EDUCATION OMG PLEBE OPPRESSION." For real, someone said I was oppressing smart people. It kind of made me want to drink.

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Real smart people are too smart to be oppressed; people who are dumb enough to perceive that they're being oppressed in this circumstances ... not smart!

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-02 04:16 pm UTC (link)
"those" circumstances ...

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[info]magnolia_mama
2009-10-02 04:31 pm UTC (link)
Is it wrong of me to be hoping for some wank (or a FFR rant) over footnote formatting now?

(I have to use footnotes in my academic writing. Why on earth would I want to subject myself to more of that while writing fic? Egads.)

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[info]feenix
2009-10-03 01:07 am UTC (link)
Th...there's a point to Hetalia other than bishounen representations of countries making out with each other?

(And yes, I know, there are female countries. But Hetalia is mostly a giant helmet party. A sausage fest, if you will.)

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[info]footsie
2009-10-02 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Some writers try too hard to be Terry Pratchett.

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[info]sgtgeorgecarter
2009-10-02 06:59 pm UTC (link)
I find the thought of historical footnotes in my slash to be delicious!

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[info]erototoxin
2009-10-02 08:12 pm UTC (link)
Me too! The handful of times I've seen it done, it's been charming.

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[info]oxfordcomma
2009-10-03 12:07 am UTC (link)
I agree! Especially for Shakespeare slash!

Also, the footnotes are largely why I love Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell so dearly!

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[info]edana_ni_emer
2009-10-03 11:07 pm UTC (link)
And the Best Fandom Ever for slashfic footnotes: Good Omens. :-D I *love* it when there are snarky/expositiony/false!history footnotes in GO fic.

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[info]lady_jafaria
2009-10-03 12:07 am UTC (link)
I think that in fanfic or other online writing, footnotes lose something. Partly because, due to the lack of an actual foot, they're all more like endnotes.

That said, I think that author's notes, provided you place them at the beginning or the end instead of in the middle of the text, can be helpful, and even another fun thing to read if they're done very well.

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[info]oxfordcomma
2009-10-03 12:13 am UTC (link)
I have to speak up in defense of footnoting -- I have no idea which fic or author you're talking about, but just because the fic is footnoted doesn't necessarily mean that the author is showing off or needs to get over herself. She could just be really enthusiastic about Shakespeare and the history, and she wants to share. I mean, enthusiasm for the subject matter is generally a driving motivation behind writing slash, after all.

Just my two cents. :)

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-03 12:57 am UTC (link)
just because the fic is footnoted doesn't necessarily mean that the author is showing off or needs to get over herself

I quite agree, and enthusiasm for subject matter is perfectly fine in itself, but when the footnotes are as long as or longer than the story there is definitely something amiss.

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[info]chibikaijuu
2009-10-05 07:24 am UTC (link)
I would have no problem with this provided that it was meant to be (and successfully was) funny.

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[info]urpletastic
2009-10-05 11:39 am UTC (link)
Unfortunately in this particular instance neither was the case.

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