seiberwing
2006-03-29 12:03 pm UTC (link)

We've had het vs. slash fights? When was this?

I'm more of the opinion that they are androgynous, and sexual orientation isn't an issue when they don't have an actual sex. So perhaps prefering the curves to the flat chests is just personal preference.

I've seen some Charlene/Skids smutfic (was actually decently done, if very very strange) and Bumblebee/Spike. Not sure if there's any Tracks/Raoul or Spike/Raoul outside of a few jokes.

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fourth_impact
2006-03-30 07:14 am UTC (link)

We've had het vs. slash fights? When was this?

A couple years ago, but it resurfaces every now and then. Hence the rant.

The "androgynous" interpretation is sometimes thrown into the ship wars, usually as a weapon against het writers. Of course when someone uses the androgyne card, their argument tends to make little sense. Especially if the user makes the robots have buttsex (complete with organic-looking manparts!) in their own fics. (Besides, if the robots really have no gender like in the Marvel comics, there IS no het. So what's the big deal? Ah, I should just save all that for the rant.)

As for the human ships, I actually meant human/human pairings - like Spike/Chip or Carlos/Rad. As big as Transfandom is, I'm surprised humanslash doesn't exist.

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seiberwing
2006-03-30 12:16 pm UTC (link)

The "androgynous" interpretation is sometimes thrown into the ship wars, usually as a weapon against het writers.

Wait, what? That would make het and slash of equal value and worth, not put down one or the other. I know of androgyne-fic supporters who write both het and slash (and once that one femme who dated all the Constructicons at the same time). And if they're having organic-style sex, the arguement flies out the window anyway because that is not androgyne.

I saw a rather bad Carlos/Rad one, and vague allegations made about Billy/Fred. That count?

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	re dunmurderin 2006-03-31 06:43 am UTC (link)
	One femme dating all 5 Constructicons? This, I have to see...so I can scare my roommate the Constructy fan with it. Kathy (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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seiberwing
2006-03-31 12:39 pm UTC (link)

The fic is on ff.net here: Love me, Love my Gestalt.

One femme dating all 5 Constructicons? This, I have to see...so I can scare my roommate the Constructy fan with it.

*ahem* I'd also advise going to her website, insecticons.com, to enjoy fics, Insecticomics, and the firmly stated datum that there are six Constructicons. Wayward's big on making sure people know that.

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	Re: re dunmurderin 2006-03-31 06:48 pm UTC (link)
	Bonecrusher, Scrapper, Hook, Mixmaster, Longhaul and Scavenger...facepalms I knew that. I really, really did know that. Oi.... Kathy (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: re seiberwing 2006-03-31 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	grin Is okay, easy mistake. At least you can name them without thinking for ten minutes or using Google. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: re dunmurderin 2006-04-01 07:57 pm UTC (link)
	nodnods What threw me was that I'd oriignally typed Combaticons instead of Constructicons. And...yeah...hangs head The story actually was pretty cool, thanks for the point. Kathy (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: re seiberwing 2006-04-01 11:01 pm UTC (link)
	Wayward has cool fics. For instance, Dreadmoon is the only decent OC Starscream love interest I've ever seen. And he's cool in his own right as well. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: re fourth_impact 2006-04-02 07:24 am UTC (link)
	On the other hand, I'm really sick of the delusional fantwits that insist that he really IS canon. I seem to remember it started off as a joke. But y'know, when people start DEMANDING things, it's no longer a joke. I'm also sick of people who act like he's the ONLY good OC and nobody else can be trusted to write OCs. (And I thought Wayward didn't like het?) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: re seiberwing 2006-04-02 12:57 pm UTC (link)
	This I have never heard of in my circles. Wayward's a bit popular, but she's no BNF. I didn't think she even has delusional fantwits. (Wayward writes het. Well, polyhet. What she has a thing against is bad Suehet) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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fourth_impact
2006-04-03 06:58 am UTC (link)

This I have never heard of in my circles.

Eh, well this was also a few years ago too. In fact, I seem to remember Dreadmoon's name being tossed around a few times during the ship wars (I think he was supposed to be "proof" that slash was better written than het). Let's just say Transfandom was NOT a fun place to be 3-4 years ago.

What she has a thing against is bad Suehet

That's good. It's just that years ago, I remember her saying some rather..."rude" things about het writers and especially the gendered faction. But then again, she may have changed by now.

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seiberwing
2006-04-03 10:25 am UTC (link)

*shock* We had ship wars? Hot damn, I need to not stay on the "safe" boards if this is going on.

*shrug* I recall she once did an experiment by taking one of her slashier fics, changing Dreadmoon to Dreadluna, and making all his male pronouns female. It was agreed that this made him seem a bit more of a Sue, even when nothing else changed. I'd say that proves that slash is simply seen as better than het in some places, not that she has a bias against it.

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	Re: re fourth_impact 2006-04-02 07:25 am UTC (link)
	I think it's a really easy mistake to make, since almost all the other combiners have five members. (Reply to this)(Parent)

fourth_impact
2006-04-02 07:30 am UTC (link)

That would make het and slash of equal value and worth, not put down one or the other. I know of androgyne-fic supporters who write both het and slash (and once that one femme who dated all the Constructicons at the same time). And if they're having organic-style sex, the arguement flies out the window anyway because that is not androgyne.

Exactly. I used to be confused when people did that - now I think they just wanted authors to stop writing their least favorite pairings. :p

I saw a rather bad Carlos/Rad one, and vague allegations made about Billy/Fred. That count?

Sounds great! :)

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	seiberwing 2006-04-02 01:03 pm UTC (link)
	I think I need to go see the dark side of TF slash sometime, because the worst I've seen is bad porn or things that are too fluffy. Any recs? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

fourth_impact
2006-04-03 07:07 am UTC (link)

Unfortuantely, no. I wasn't on the wank scene until last year, so I didn't think to make any recs. I checked back at the forums I used to go to, but all the wankstorms have been BAHLEETED by now. All I have is memory. :\

it was about 3-4 years ago that all this happened. Translash was beginning to get popular with little resistance. Despite the fact that there was no real resistance, many slashers went apeshit anyway. Some of them seemed paranoid that resistance was just around the corner (and they apparently needed to take the initiative). Other were paranoid about badfics and pretty much accused all het writers of Suehet and "sticky" fics. Others just seemed like they had a bug up their ass that no one was writing their OTPs. Obviously, this pissed off the het (and some gen) writers, and they jumped headlong into the wank.

The worst is that it wasn't even funny wank. It was "WTF is wrong with you people?!" -type wank. I was actually scared out of Transfandom (and slash) for a few months.

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	seiberwing 2006-04-03 10:27 am UTC (link)
	Pff. Resistance? "Energon" practically writes the slash for us, so I personally have an excuse. wowed Wow. Maybe I should be glad that I mussed it, then. I didn't know any of that was going on. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pyratejenni 2006-03-29 04:45 pm UTC (link)
	I don't remember Transformers having genders, but I think I saw.. three episodes? Or was it the GoBots who had genders? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kadath 2006-03-29 07:25 pm UTC (link)
	In my day (wheeze) there was a pink Transformer with high heels named Arcee. eyeroll (Reply to this)(Parent)

	fourth_impact 2006-03-30 07:17 am UTC (link)
	The gender thing is all over the map. They have no gender in the Marvel comics, but they do in the Japanese continuities. The American cartoon is kinda up in the air, but given that its audience are little boys, I tend to lean toward "gendered." I think GoBots had genders, but I'm not sure. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	re: dunmurderin 2006-03-31 06:22 am UTC (link)
	I'd lean toward gendered in the American cartoons since they made a big deal in the episode that first featured Elita-One of referring to her and her companions as "Female" Autobots. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	fourth_impact 2006-04-02 07:27 am UTC (link)
	That's also a good point (it's unfortunate that people just blow it off with a "That doesn't mean anything!"). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dunmurderin 2006-04-02 08:25 pm UTC (link)
	I was going to try for a snappy comeback to this but thanks to 5 hours sleep & a happy comic convention induced glaze, I gots nothing. Transfans make my head hurt sometimes... Kathy (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	fourth_impact 2006-04-03 07:21 am UTC (link)
	Transfans make my head hurt sometimes... Mine too. This is why I just try to stay in my own corner of the sandbox. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	seiberwing 2006-03-30 12:16 pm UTC (link)
	Thunderblast of the Cybertron series has gender. She has a hell of a lot of gender. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	verthandi 2006-03-31 08:40 pm UTC (link)
	"Het and slash are not matter and antimatter. You are not going to explode for liking both." I really, really like that quote. I like any pairing (though I usually prefer gen), so long as it's well-written. It's good to know I won't asplode. (Reply to this)