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Jetamors ([info]jetamors) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-09-15 23:40:00


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Current mood:amused
Entry tags:fandom: harry potter, my pretension let me show you it

Pseudointellectual HP wank
In hp_essays, of all places.

Anyway, darkthirty wants us all to know that the discourse in HP is not up to his lofty standards.

Okay, I've of course been hearing about Harry and the Potters, and other "bands" for a while - didn't catch H and the Ps at the Vancouver Public Library last year since I knew they were, fankly, unmusical, goofy and boring. But what I said about Pirates II holds for this - it's banal stuff that gets hyped into some kind of cultural acceptance, which I think is really shitty and which has, in fact, taken over much of television itself these days - witness the immense audience still for fantasy TV ("reality TV" they call it). There's a section of Rowling fandom (Rowling Fandom, I repeat) that stands for everything these lame bands do not, and I am certain must suffer fools continuously in the general, cultural register.

An honest reading of Rowling will not, however, be morose. In fact, it is much more humourous than the orneriness that passes for wit (often enough the lowest common denominator of snarkiness, bitchiness, pettiness, "my cool is the real cool", after all the sum and substance of most so-called comics or comedians since the great anti-political hammer fell on Television in the 80s, just as it had hammered comic books into stupidity for 4 decades) in the bickersites and wankoffs of the internet.

JK Rowling must, in all ways, be examined as we would examine any other author. Okay, not a revolutionary statement - but to the casual reader, online fandom treats her in exceptional, and exceptionally ridiculous, ways. The subjects talked of, or at least suggested, at the numerous conferences, do NOT make it into the journals and fansites. What, can't attendees remember what was said? Can't they incorporate at least some of what they heard into their gossipy, flower print posts? It's stupid and ridiculous that out of 4 or 5 conferences, online fandom has only people like Melissa and Emerson, for example, those endlessly prancy, poncey and silly guys, who are more than a little irritating, to represent it.

Cultural industries, as they are called, like hollywood cinema and tv, have long excelled at encouraging folks to identify with the burp of the day - people study this, hone and refine this. Advertising has grown so important, governments that would spend their propaganda dollar without either employing orconsulting advertisers are being careless. But if someone just jumps to the dumbdrum, since what they want is such a powerful drive, having little, perhaps, or having little of value in their lives, that doesn't seem like serious, anti-terrorist vigilance (ie - being afraid, just generally, and particularly of strangers, and insisting on being right about, um, well, whatever they feel they need to be right about, regardless of whether or not they CAN be right) that a stupid dog of a movie like Pirates II can be the hit of the year, a hit in the heads of the fans who really could have asked for at least a half-decent movie, and not the monstrous insulting piece of glib they got, they are utterly and completely lost, and they really should try reading something that will, at least potentially, unblinker them from such claptrap, like, say, Rowling.

Where's all the good stuff, eh? Come on, post it!

Please, urls, since there's apparently so much!!!!!
Michael Bronski here,, in case you haven't read her essay yet.


Boils down to "Waah, people aren't writing what I want them to write! PS, everything you like sucks." Unsurprisingly, people take offense to the digs at Harry and the Potters, POTCII, and Melissa and Emerson. What they don't realize is that they're taking offense because they're poopyheads, as darkthirty makes sure to inform them.

Some of the better exchanges:

POTCII objectively sucks!

"Dude, this is a rant, not an essay." "Is not!"

The only meaningful discourse is in conventions! Every online HP meta community is banal and insipid.

"You only disgree with me because I insulted your favorite things." "Actually, I don't like any of the things you insulted." (Whoops!)

Don't miss the appearance by our favorite TMI queen. Apparently the secret cabal ruling HP has forced the intelligent criticism underground. Vive la revolution!

Dunno about you, but I'm amused.

ETA: Deleted, by the mods. You may think they deleted it because it was a rant thinly disguised as an essay, or because of the wank, but darkthirty knows the real reason: because the mods don't like people dissing Emerson and Melissa. Oy vey.

ETA2: The mod's smackdown, for posterity.




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[info]charmian
2006-09-16 06:22 am UTC (link)
I think Rowling was, and hopefully still is, a social and political anarchist, at least intellectually speaking - who is making a great book, not a stupid tv book, like some people treat them.

HP for revolution!

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[info]waltraute
2006-09-16 06:40 am UTC (link)
That is because the Rowling fans (and I agree with you, it's a cult of personality) will not tolerate dissent and have immense amounts of free time that they spend plotting how to do things like turn Fandom Wank into their own voice (which they did) and troll dissenting public sites/journals which don't have active moderators and serious security into nonexistence or password protection. (It's always the "mice", the lurkers. They can't control the "mice".) And buy up domain names that sound like the names of people they dislike. And all sorts of other shit. They are the 800 pound gorilla. They always said HP wank would go away and that they were not the wanky ones, yet now that they essentially have control things are wankier than ever.

Fandom Wank rules, not me. :(

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Can I stop plotting now? - [info]out_bottle, 2006-09-16 07:44 am UTC
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[info]jim_smith
2006-09-16 06:45 am UTC (link)
But what I said about Pirates II holds for this - it's banal stuff that gets hyped into some kind of cultural acceptance, which I think is really shitty

Yeah, that's how I feel about Harry Potter too, pal.

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-16 06:48 am UTC (link)
Yes, because Harry Potter is just so original and revolutionary and deep.

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(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2006-09-16 07:14 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-09-16 06:53 am UTC (link)
Wow, I gave up with that post earlier this afternoon and it (and some of my exchanges) STILL made Fandom Wank!

Is it sad that I'm sort of proud? I feel like after so many years I've finally been baptized into HP fandom because of this.

-Melisus

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-16 06:54 am UTC (link)
The good stuff is all either on web pages or message boards or yahoogroups. If it is on LJ, it has been hidden and friends-locked because the Rowling fans will harass the fuck out of anyone who dares to question their orthodoxy, they will post you to FW, and your journal will be overrun with trolls. After a while even the toughest people get tired of it, and they go other places where they are happier.

NO ONE EXPECTS THE FW INQUISITION. (Or, Ataniell--like Martin Luther, in a way)

On a completely unrelated note. . .I'm sure this means I'm a provincial clot of some kind, but. . .I don't really care if it's correct in certain parts of the world--the spelling 'humourous' still makes my eyes bleed.

-fledermaus

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[info]rachel_pi
2006-09-16 06:58 am UTC (link)
I agree with [info]emily_anne. I've got no idea what [info]darkthirty is trying to say about terrorism. Things can't be entertaining now, because that's not serious? Or we have to be serious now?

I'm very confused.

That is because the Rowling fans (and I agree with you, it's a cult of personality) will not tolerate dissent and have immense amounts of free time that they spend plotting how to do things like turn Fandom Wank into their own voice (which they did)

We did? I missed the part where Fandom_Wank became the JKR apologists.

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-16 07:02 am UTC (link)
*glee*

I was so hoping we'd be wanked. I kept refreshing the page while the whole thing was going on saying 'dude, we just mentioned Cassie Claire for no good reason, where are they?'

Every time I feel longwinded and pretentious someone like the OP comes along and makes me feel better about myself. And that's what the Internet is all about. :D

- weyrdchic

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flightstothesea
2006-09-16 07:09 am UTC (link)
Wait, FW runs HP fandom? I never get these memos.

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*sporfle* - (Anonymous), 2006-09-16 08:25 am UTC
Re: *sporfle* - flightstothesea, 2006-09-16 08:27 am UTC
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[info]attilathebun
2006-09-16 07:15 am UTC (link)
I've posted twice in this group...But they were whelmed by, um, silence. I post on HPfGU and get silence.

Oh, I get it!

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[info]tehrin
2006-09-16 07:18 am UTC (link)
Flippin' Sweet! My fave fandoms seem to be clashing a lot this weekend. *gets some popcorn and settles in for the long haul*

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[info]gal_montag
2006-09-16 07:24 am UTC (link)
the Rowling fans will harass the fuck out of anyone who dares to question their orthodoxy, they will post you to FW, and your journal will be overrun with trolls

Or. Maybe it's because you're such a wanky twunt. Since, y'know, getting wanked isn't a symptom of being a Harry Potter fanficcer, it's a symptom of being a big mouth idiot.

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icon not directed at you... - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-09-16 08:16 am UTC
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Re: icon not directed at you... - [info]attilathebun, 2006-09-16 03:10 pm UTC
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[info]hypno_jango
2006-09-16 07:31 am UTC (link)
I am bored with all the banal so-called HP stuff. I asked where it was, and encouraged folks to post more thoughtful, less juvenile stuff.

Next you'll tell me that Harry Potter was a children's book... oh, wait.

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GIP! - [info]gun, 2006-09-16 09:46 am UTC
Re: GIP! - [info]fernwithy, 2006-09-16 03:19 pm UTC
Re: GIP! - [info]napalmnacey, 2006-09-18 09:20 am UTC

[info]semirecluse
2006-09-16 07:36 am UTC (link)
Okay, I've of course been hearing about Harry and the Potters, and other "bands" for a while - didn't catch H and the Ps at the Vancouver Public Library last year since I knew they were, frankly, unmusical, goofy and boring.

OH NO. NO YOU DIDN'T, BITCH.

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[info]out_bottle
2006-09-16 07:48 am UTC (link)
I gotta tell ya, reading pseudointellectual HP wank is the BEST sleep I've had in ages!


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(no subject) - [info]fernwithy, 2006-09-16 03:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]semirecluse, 2006-09-16 09:05 pm UTC
Newsflash!
[info]attilathebun
2006-09-16 07:50 am UTC (link)
It's fear. Fear of saying what we really think about something. I refuse to follow that nonsense.

You are not being oppressed. You are not being censored. You will not save us from ourselves. You are not a revolutionary, a hero, or a martyr.

In short: Bitch, please.

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Re: Newsflash! - (Anonymous), 2006-09-16 07:53 am UTC
Re: Newsflash! - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-09-16 08:22 am UTC

[info]moriath
2006-09-16 07:58 am UTC (link)
Okay, really, didn't HP and PotC become popular in very similar ways? There was no major marketing campaign for HP in the US - it became popular by word of mouth. Most people (myself included) scoffed at the idea of PotC - and yet it's become a monstrous hit. And lots of people would call both of them banal. In the case of PotC I would say they were wrong, but because I'm not a pretentious wanker I really wouldn't care at the end of the day.

I'd still have Jack Sparrow to oggle.

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[info]ravenscanary
2006-09-16 08:07 am UTC (link)
I'd like to dare her to find a contemporary of Rowling's with nearly as much academic treatment of his or her work as the HP series has enjoyed. Name me even one modern-day mass-market author who has been embraced by academia with even a TENTH of the enthusiasm that has been poured into studying Rowling, the HP books, and HP fandom.

Also, maybe the theories about "Rowling as anarchist"? Those? Possibly they suck. If you can't get people interested on the premier pseudointellectual HP fandom El Jay you don't have much of a chance anywhere.

It's all so delightfully passive-agressive and elitist-wannabe.

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[info]slackerbitch
2006-09-16 08:18 am UTC (link)
Hey, Ataniell! Weren't you leaving fandom? Any time now. I will fucking pay you. Really.

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[info]fallohidepride
2006-09-16 08:22 am UTC (link)
So, what I hear you saying, is that you are intimidated by my intellect, and will therefore insult me and call me stupid. Okay, your perogative.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. Let's play a battle of wits to the death. Involving iocaine powder.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-09-16 08:34 am UTC (link)
Ataniell has SPN icons now?

Shit, no fandom is safe from her.

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Just when I thought my fandom couldn't sink any lower..
(Anonymous)
2006-09-16 08:38 am UTC (link)
There's a community called HPessays? I feel...dirty.

GET IT OFF! GET IT OFF, NOW- AUUUGH!

*dances around hysterically*

-Nefret

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Re: Just when I thought my fandom couldn't sink any lower.. - [info]waltraute, 2006-09-16 03:34 pm UTC
Re: Just when I thought my fandom couldn't sink any lower.. - [info]gmth, 2006-09-16 10:25 pm UTC
Re: Just when I thought my fandom couldn't sink any lower.. - [info]misakichi, 2006-09-16 11:46 pm UTC
Re: Just when I thought my fandom couldn't sink any lower.. - [info]blackflag, 2006-09-18 12:18 pm UTC
Didn't your mama ever tell you never to tickle a sleeping dragon? - (Anonymous), 2006-09-17 10:05 am UTC
Re: Didn't your mama ever tell you never to tickle a sleeping dragon? - [info]jetamors, 2006-09-17 03:50 pm UTC
Re: Didn't your mama ever tell you never to tickle a sleeping dragon? - [info]spleen, 2006-09-18 01:51 pm UTC
Finally! I went cold turkey on HP wank
(Anonymous)
2006-09-16 08:44 am UTC (link)
God! The stuff I find on my flist.

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Re: Finally! I went cold turkey on HP wank - (Anonymous), 2006-09-16 09:21 am UTC

[info]angel_kathryn
2006-09-16 08:50 am UTC (link)
We need to create a post somewhere and update it with all the things/people/communities that we oppress, because I'm starting to lose track.

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[info]reddiej
2006-09-16 08:50 am UTC (link)
All right, can someone please explain to me what this 'Rowling Fandom' is? Is it a fandom of er, Jo Rowling-related stuff, which is Harry Potter stuff... thus making it the Harry Potter fandom...? Or is it not? I'm a bit confused now.

Or is the difference that the 'Harry Potter fandom' includes bands and conventions and 'Rowling fandom' doesn't?

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