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mikasa ([info]mikasa) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-10-12 17:10:00


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Current mood:Candy-Coated
Entry tags:fandom: supernatural, incest, religion

More Supernatural wank!
I am again stealing from a mouse on wank report (thank you, mousie!). Supernatural really has the funniest wank in all of fandom.

Meet darkhecatemoon. Darkhecatemoon says if you enjoy incest in fanfic, you should support it in real life, or else you're a big hypocrite, just like the people who enjoy slash, but are against gay rights in real life. She invites response, and even links it in the SPN newsletter (and the post is also linked on metafandom). She gets some responses of "very interesting!" and "thank you for making me challenge my beliefs."

Sadly, some of the responders do not thank darkhecatemoon for opening their eyes and leading them into the garden of incestual delights, and actually point out that her argument really doesn't hold up, and her further defense of the argument doesn't make sense at all.

http://darkhecatemoon.livejournal.com/37847.html?thread=137175#t137175

http://darkhecatemoon.livejournal.com/37847.html?thread=141783#t141783

http://darkhecatemoon.livejournal.com/37847.html?thread=141527#t141527

Darkhecatemoon pulls out all the wanky stops:

"I'm a follower of Nietzche!"

"Don't read my journal! I didn't invite you here!" (Except for the part where she did.)

She has made up her own religion because she didn't like any others!

The Incest Lobby is brought up and slogans and bumperstickers are proposed. Finally, an anon drops by to thank darkhecatemoon for opening her eyes. Darkhecatemoon is very gracious!




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[info]brown_betty
2006-10-12 11:38 pm UTC (link)
She's… so well intentioned!

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(no subject) - notmonkey, 2006-10-13 01:35 pm UTC

[info]nymeria
2006-10-12 11:43 pm UTC (link)
... Oh, SPN. Three cheers for [info]semirecluse, who totally predicted this.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-10-12 11:48 pm UTC
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[info]out_bottle
2006-10-12 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Just my opinion, and feel free to disagree with me.

Until people actually do, of course.

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2006-10-12 11:52 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]out_bottle, 2006-10-13 02:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tez, 2006-10-13 02:04 am UTC
My thoughts on incest
[info]redcoast
2006-10-12 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew.

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Re: My thoughts on incest - [info]community_care, 2006-10-13 09:19 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on incest - [info]sahz, 2006-10-13 05:10 pm UTC

[info]judyhazeleyes
2006-10-13 12:18 am UTC (link)
The anon at the end is cracking my shit up. Sockpuppetry or a highly amusing troll? Whatever the case, it's brill.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2006-10-13 12:43 am UTC (link)
Hmm, I've often seen incest wank of the "If you like incest in fanfic, you must really be into it IRL variety!" but this is the first time I've seen a "If you like incest in fanfic, you must be into it IRL!" troll pulled out.

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[info]chaimonkey
2006-10-13 12:47 am UTC (link)
While her theory is totally batshit, I must admit a Law & Order:SVU episode made me feel very sympathetic toward legal adult incest. It was so sad. *sniffles*

But seriously, because you write it, you must support it? Bollocks. Next thing ya know kids who play first-person shooters have to go actually kill someone or else they're just posers.

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[info]frequentmouse
2006-10-13 12:58 am UTC (link)
Incest is not just a "cultural construct;" the incest taboo is one of the defining features of human cultures. The way it's defined varies from culture to culture, but there's always some kind of familial relationship where sexual activity is forbidden.

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Actually... - [info]dragonfangirl, 2006-10-13 09:47 am UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-10-14 12:23 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-10-14 12:24 am UTC
(no subject) - notmonkey, 2006-10-13 01:38 pm UTC

[info]antigone
2006-10-13 01:02 am UTC (link)
My thoughts on this and SO many other wanks can be summed up as follows:

fantasy =!= reality

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May all wank have such entertaining dialogue
[info]narcissam
2006-10-13 01:02 am UTC (link)
This is the first amusing incest wank I've read for ages! It's usually the same-old same-old "You support incest!" "No I don't!" "Yes you do!" with a side helping of "I'm working out my trauma through fic, so don't judge!" Mind-numbing. (But better than Hellfire, I do admit.)

But this incest wank is full of sparkle and witty repartee.

darkhecatemoon: Every single value we think and believe is culturally constructed. I'm a follower of Nietzsche, after all.

meyerlemon: Are you serious? I mean, about the first part.

Nietzsche was a philosopher, not a biologist or a geneticist or an anthropologist with a strong interest in evolutionary psychology.

He also died in 1900, long before the vast body of current best thought on issues such as the incest taboo had even begun to percolate. DNA had not been discovered while he was alive, so it's unlikely that he would have had many meaningful things to say about the idea that the incest taboo is a biological mechanism designed (well, "designed") to prevent two faulty family lines from being duplicated in a single offspring.

darkhecatemoon: I know who Nietzsche was; I've been writing a paper on his philosophy for the past two days.

meyerlemon: HOLY SHIT.

You're awesome.

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Re: May all wank have such entertaining dialogue - [info]sunhawk, 2006-10-13 07:55 am UTC
Re: May all wank have such entertaining dialogue - (Anonymous), 2006-10-13 06:32 pm UTC

[info]eyebrowofdoom
2006-10-13 01:03 am UTC (link)
QUICK. Kill all the people who like horror movies, before they kill you.

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[info]bittermint
2006-10-13 01:06 am UTC (link)
I think we've just found the new poster child for obliviousness.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-13 01:10 am UTC (link)
I don't even have words to describe how much I love this fandom. We have the best crazy people.


-ignipes on lj

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[info]squeakthemouse
2006-10-13 01:11 am UTC (link)
Whoa... that's some choice grade A batshit right thurr.

Oh, SPN fandom, I think I love you.

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[info]mouseykins
2006-10-13 01:18 am UTC (link)
Ha! I'm only slightly amused by the fact that I'm getting such a rise out of people. I didn't know this was such a passionate topic.

I - the - what?

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-13 01:19 am UTC (link)
I'd always viewed it in the reverse, actually--if people can write about incest and decry it in real life without being called hypocrites, then people who write slash and decry homosexuality in real life aren't hypocrites either. Misguided and homophobic, yeah, but not necessarily hypocrites. The "it's just fiction" defense should extend fully to all fiction, not just the ones we deem worthy.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-13 01:32 am UTC (link)
There's no such thing as innately programmed biological protection. Every single value we think and believe is culturally constructed. I'm a follower of Nietzsche, after all.

She blinded me with...inaccurate science! Jesus, lady. Take an anthropology course or something.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-13 01:34 am UTC (link)
I know who Nietzsche was; I've been writing a paper on his philosophy for the past two days.

And that makes darkhecatemoon an expert on Nietzsche and all his ideas? Wow. I must be a GURU on All That Is Nietzsche then.

Oh wait. But I'm not a FOLLOWER of Nietzsche. I guess that negates my point. Oh... and being a woman. Because, according to Nietzsche, women can't even cook properly. So forget about THINKING.

-Melisus

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[info]hallidae
2006-10-13 01:44 am UTC (link)
For one: Using a style of philosophy to refute scientific evidence is like using a spoon to cut a rock. Wrong tool for the job to begin with.

And second: If she's going to bring philosophy into it, she should at least namedrop the right philosopher. It was Sartre who claimed there was no such thing as an instinctual self, just the society and culture shaping a shell that we project to others claiming that it is the self.

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[info]seraphtrevs
2006-10-13 02:06 am UTC (link)
I totally have a crush on [info]meyerlemon now. I hope she's not really my sister or something, because that would be weird.

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[info]semirecluse
2006-10-13 02:17 am UTC (link)
Nooooo. Not a Nietzschean! They're worse than the Randpoodles.

It makes sense though: Nietzsche was totally hot for his sister.

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[info]onaga
2006-10-13 02:20 am UTC (link)
...I'm sorry, her username is "darkhecatemoon."

I have to get my copy of the OCD and go bash her about the head with it. Back in a bit!

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-13 02:28 am UTC (link)
Okay. Have she ever heard of perverted genophobes before? That, you know, sometimes we write stuff that personally we're not into in real life because, OMG! It's either interesting to see from other people's point of view or that I'm perverted because of my personal genophobia?

...Whenever other genophobes have their mind in the gutter sometimes is unknown, I'm talking about personal experience.

~Sorakh~

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[info]attilathebun
2006-10-13 02:29 am UTC (link)
I really really really really cannot understand how anyone could miss sarcasm that thick.

And miss it that many times?

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[info]geekmagirl
2006-10-13 02:38 am UTC (link)
She's really opened my eyes! I'm going to go out and engage in some serial killing right this second--I wouldn't want to be a big ol' fraud!

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