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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-10-14 15:33:00


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Lee Goldberg vs. Naomi Novik: The Ultimate Smackdown
A year and a half ago, Lee Goldberg and Naomi Novik were on an NPR show discussing fanfic, and Goldberg said all sorts of insulting things to her on air and on his blog. ("Her arrogance and stupidity is mind-boggling.") Well, he's sorry for that now. Because now he can expose Naomi Novik as a hypocrite for this quote in the New York Times:
"Around 1994 Ms. Novik began writing fan fiction, stories based on the characters of other writers. She called it “embarrassing, terrible early work” that could not be published — thankfully, she said — because it would be tantamount to copyright infringement on other authors’ characters."
See! She changed her mind once she had published original fiction!

But Naomi Novik posts a correction on her LJ to the story:
"Okay, so, I do have to put one small correction on record here (for anyone who has not read more than three entries back in my lj and doesn't already know this about me) and say hey, yes, my 1994 fanfic was indeed terrible crap and it is embarrassing in the way that all juvenalia is embarrassing, but that was the stuff I wrote twelve years ago; I am very proud of my more recent fanfic and love writing it (a little too much, sadly, when I have pressing deadlines to procrastinate from)."
Lee and his supporters don't back down, though, particularly when Kete says, "Lovely, to see you back-pedaling now that she's definitely more successful than you! ;-)"

Scramble to prove Lee Goldberg is more sucessful ensues. Plenty of quotable lines but the prize here goes to Goldberg fan Mark A. York:
"I read part of an excerpt and aside from the interest in sailing to Istanbul, transporting Dragon eggs is plain ridiculous to me personally. I couldn't read it."
Thanks to the mouse on [info]wank_report for the tip-off.



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[info]elektra3
2006-10-14 08:59 pm UTC (link)
"I read part of an excerpt and aside from the interest in sailing to Istanbul, transporting Dragon eggs is plain ridiculous to me personally. I couldn't read it."

Dragons, of course, being a totally ridiculous thing to have in a series of fantasy novels.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-14 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Who the heck are these people, and why were they on NPR?

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[info]quettaser
2006-10-14 09:19 pm UTC (link)
The stupid that abounds in Mr. Goldberg's blog (while some of it is from him, the majority of it is from the commenters) PHYSICALLY PAINS ME.

It's all well and good for Ms. Novik to be "delighted" at fanfic based on her work - yet she won't read it due to legal issues. In short, she knows it's a copyright violation - and reading it and not stopping it is tantamount to LOSING her copyright protection.

WHAT. They're confusing copyright with trademark and I don't think anything in Naomi Novik's books are trademarked yet. And the dangers for an author reading fic lie in fans sueing her for "stealing" their ideas. Seeing as how she isn't done writing the series yet, better to be safe than sorry.

Also, is it safe to call this wank Godwin'd?

Why would you come to someone's own website for the sole purpose of insulting them? The standard for manners in the land-of-Hitler must be a little different from that of the civilized world.

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[info]brown_betty
2006-10-14 09:23 pm UTC (link)
Some commenter: Fanfic is unethical because passing the work of another off as your own is unethical."

It's like I wandered into the wrong wank by mistake!

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[info]brown_betty
2006-10-14 09:29 pm UTC (link)
I, Holly Lisle, do not, in any manner, format, or medium, authorize, permit, or condone the use of my characters or worlds in fan fiction, also known as fanfic. Any such use will be construed as the knowing and intentional creation of a derivative work, which is prosecutable by law, and which will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


I desperately want to inform her there's little danger of that ever happening, but that would be trolling the wank.

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[info]alpheratz
2006-10-14 09:29 pm UTC (link)
I reeeeaaally want to hear his take on Neil Gaiman's numerous derivative works, especially his Sherlock Holmes/Lovecraft crossover. And then Neil would deliver a glorious, impossibly polite smackdown on his blog, and the world would be beautiful again.

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