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Zanne Chaos ([info]zannechaos) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-10-20 02:19:00


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Current mood:Flippant
Current music:Joan of Arc - Stevie Nicks
Entry tags:feminism: you're doing it wrong, mmorpg

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!
Got a heads up on this little wank from a friend.

Over in girl_gamers, tiffyangel has issues.

And she makes sure the comm knows that talking about gender-related issues in relation to gaming is painful and offensive.

"I deal with gender issues every single day of my life because of my field of study and because of my own personal gender; I really don't want to see them in gaming or gaming communities. While I recognize that RL issues like that do come up in games (I recently had to deal with a case of sexual harrassment in WoW...that wasn't fun), I want the issues that don't have to come up to stay hidden."

What set her off, you might ask? It seems to be this post by chicknstu, who's noticed how, in his own experience, women approach and play Sims differently than men, and it turns into discussions on how people are raised and what's expected of them and how they're conditioned to think, as well as plenty of counterarguments and people who defy his own personal observations.

And she felt that should be placed behind an LJ cut so she's not assaulted by gender issues on the Intarwebs in a public comm basically geared toward a minority gender in a hobby.

To make it better, she spells women as "womyn". Yeah.

After getting smacked around by other girl gamers for more or less 52 comments, she's back for more, throwing a stamping, squealing, OMG UR SO MEEN I'M LEAVING post in disguise, complete with an adominishment on those who didn't feel the need to speak up:

"To those who were offended by the post I responded to but didn't say anything, don't let what happened to me scare you off from voicing your opinion. It gets ugly sometimes, but that's what happens when you're in the minority. Doesn't make your feelings any less valid."

EDIT: the OMGMEEN post has been bahleeted, but was saved via a screencap provided by the lovely [info]dark_puck.

Small, but full of that creamy, self-righteous filling of fighting the good feminist fight against all things male. So has she ever seen a mass grave?




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(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 09:56 am UTC (link)
OP: I'm a feminist, hear my vagina rawr!
Community: Umm.. we're girls, and we believe vaginas don't produce voluntary sounds.
OP: RAWRRR! RAWRRR!

~john1987@livejournal

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[info]nebbieq
2006-10-20 09:59 am UTC (link)
She doesn't want gender issues to show up in gaming communities...and yet, she's posting about gender issues in a community called girl_gamers.

...

Well! That makes perfect sense.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 10:34 am UTC (link)
If she doesn't want to deal in gender issues, WTF is she doing in a gender-divided community?

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(no subject) - [info]the_clichemoth, 2006-10-20 05:26 pm UTC

[info]deconcentrate
2006-10-20 10:40 am UTC (link)
"To those who were offended by the post I responded to but didn't say anything, don't let what happened to me scare you off from voicing your opinion. It gets ugly sometimes, but that's what happens when you're in the minority. Doesn't make your feelings any less valid."

I used to say things like this a lot. Then I grew up and realized how stupidly arrogant that made me sound.

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I feel music... - (Anonymous), 2006-10-21 03:46 am UTC
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[info]charmian
2006-10-20 10:42 am UTC (link)
I was told that everyone has a right to their own opinion, but it seems like very few believe that statement includes someone like me.

Isn't there some kind of internet law about how people confuse having the right to their opinion with being entitled to no disagreement with it?

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[info]mochibuni
2006-10-20 10:43 am UTC (link)
Out of all of it, this is my favorite comment:

"... I don't see how gender stereotyping is helpful here. I won't even play The Sims because I think it's too domestic."

It makes me want to sporfle and face palm at the same time.

Also [info]i_am_pellucid replying with the same comment more than necessary.

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[info]rekall
2006-10-20 11:14 am UTC (link)
You mean people actually play the Sims without the intention of murdering everyone? Who knew!

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Oh, feminysts!

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[info]lillyv
2006-10-20 02:11 pm UTC (link)
*headdesk*

You know what? I worked in the gaming section of a Best Buy. I put up with assholes who "discriminated" against women in gaming and refused to believe I knew jack shit about games. Did it piss me off?

Hell no. It amused the fuck out of me.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole idea of being a feminist is dealing with gender issues, right? Or did I miss the memo on that one? I think I missed that memo.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 03:15 pm UTC (link)
Now you see the stupidity inherent in the system!

LOOK AT THE STUPIDITY INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!

-- Gourry

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[info]bitca
2006-10-20 03:21 pm UTC (link)
Was JUST coming over to see if this had made it. Thanks for writing it up for me, Zanne!! :)

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[info]napalmnacey
2006-10-20 03:29 pm UTC (link)
You know, I have the sneaking suspicion that people who spell it 'womyn', those total full-on feminists, have more issue with being women than the men around them. They obssess over it so bloody much, sometimes I have to wonder if there's some underlying self-hate that they're trying to make up for.

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[info]paintobscura
2006-10-20 03:30 pm UTC (link)
*eyeroll*


Talk about someone who needs to take a chill pill or 30. And also take her head out of her ass.


I had to be somewhat nice over on LJ, but I hold nothing back on f_w


Also, as a sidenote, a friend of mine told me she left girl_gamers because it was so wanky. I honestly didn't think that for awhile (and I adore the community to pieces), but yeah, this, and the fact that I got wanked in there have started to convince me.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 03:43 pm UTC (link)
The second post she made has been beleeted.

~sorayu@LJ

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[info]verpon
2006-10-20 03:44 pm UTC (link)
Alas, the bahleetion fairy seems to have killed the OMG MEEN post. No fun!

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[info]limyaael
2006-10-20 03:54 pm UTC (link)
I deal with gender issues every single day of my life because of my field of study and because of my own personal gender; I really don't want to see them in gaming or gaming communities.

Ah, yes, the "safe space run amok" again.

Look, I get that people do want "places" (virtual or not) where they can relax and not have to deal with certain issues. But, um, you kind of have to designate and create them yourself. You can't walk into a comm called girl_gamers and declare that it is one because you say so. That's like declaring that a Women's Studies class shouldn't ever discuss abuse because you work with battered women and the class is your safe space.

(Seriously. How stupid is this girl woman womon?

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[info]goblin
2006-10-20 03:55 pm UTC (link)
I just can't care about [info]tiffyangel's many issues when instead I could be making my Sim!pets have kittens.

KITTENS!

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[info]dark_puck
2006-10-20 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Bahleeted, but I managed to get a screenshot of the original post here. Sadly, I wasn't able to recover any of the comments.

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[info]panthea
2006-10-20 04:01 pm UTC (link)
Is anyone else still puzzling over her "own personal gender"?

NO! THAT'S MY GENDER! YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 04:02 pm UTC (link)
because of my own personal gender

Own personal gender? *snickers* They're selling those now?


+ blackpearl500 @ livejournal.com

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[info]oxydosic
2006-10-20 05:20 pm UTC (link)
I FUCKING HATE THE WORD WOMYN.

*cough* Erm anyway yeah, not asking for gender issues in a comm called [info]girl_gamers is mighty damn stupid.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-10-21 05:57 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 05:30 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea why the people and community icons are Spiderman and on fire, but it's pretty awesome.

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[info]antigone
2006-10-20 06:23 pm UTC (link)
"To those who were offended by the post I responded to but didn't say anything, don't let what happened to me scare you off from voicing your opinion. It gets ugly sometimes, but that's what happens when you're in the minority. Doesn't make your feelings any less valid."

It's the new "the lurkers support me in e-mail"!

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(no subject) - ealusaid, 2006-10-20 08:17 pm UTC

[info]deoridhe
2006-10-20 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Is there where I should point out women are actually the majority?

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[info]seraphtrevs
2006-10-20 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Waitwaitwait - someone who spells it "womyn" who DOESN'T want to talk about oppression in something? Color me confused.

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