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sarahkjrsten ([info]sarahkjrsten) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-11-04 20:57:00


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Entry tags:videogames

The Sims 2: Cesspool of wank
The Sims and it's cleverly titled sequel, The Sims 2 have a virbrant, lively, and wanky online community. The Sims 2 is very open-ended allowing users to download new homes, objects and clothing for their Sims, and this is where most of the wanks comes into play.

See, some sites are charging money for these downloads.

Charging money for downloads is a gray area legally. It's technically not legal, but EA turns a blind eye to it--and even exploits the idea of paysites by releasing Stuff Packs filled with only objects for Simmers to buy.

A group of Sim fans online finally had enough of this and with Pescado from More Awesome Than You taking charge, they formed: Paysites Must Be Destoryed where he has uploaded 'Booty' in the form of pay files from various pay sites online.

Natrually this does not go over well.

The biggest drama comes from LyricLee who despite decrying PMBD and those who download from it as "rotten
piece[s] of lowlife trash
" has also been logged as downloading almost the entire contents of the site. Later LyricLee will claim that this was to "drain" bandwidth. However, close inspection will note that the downloads span almost ten days--a few files at a time.

This thread goes into more detail when it comes to the LyricLee wank

A few other highlights:

" You are destroying all work from all people and it seems you don't give a fuck about that .
I think you are just FULL of it , but the sad thing is that you take a lot of people down with this fucking childish grudge or whatever you think it is .
"

HChangeri of Retail Sims says "So if anyone knows some good black hat hackers looking to have some fun, I'd love it if they could change the content of those files to some really nasty viruses. That way anyone who has the nerve to download stolen content gets a little instant karma for it. Ideally it would be nice to have the site hacked in its entirety but lets face it, the bastards will just pop up elsewhere.

Over on The Sims 2 Community links to PMBD are being deleted.

The hatemail/legal threats page is also not to be missed.

ETA: Oh noes, PMBD has caused Retail Sims to close down. HChangeri states: "What this group evidently doesn't have the mentality to grasp is that there is a third option which I am going to exercise - I will merely pull a John Galt. I am under no obligation to share anything I create with anyone. I will NOT have a group of low-life second-raters dictate the terms under which I can distribute what is MY WORK, MY EFFORT, and MY CREATIVITY nor will I allow them to dictate how I choose to spend or not spend MY MONEY. To this end, the contents of this website will be available only until December 1. After that point ALL sets will be permanently removed. I will delete all of my content from MTS2 and TSR. " Over-reacting much?

ETA 2: [info]ari wonderfully explains the background of Sims paysites.

ETA 3: "From this point on anybody who links to or mentions sites which promote theft of files from other creators will be automatically and summarily banned. You have been warned.

ERA 4: HGhanger explains her choice to pull her conecnt: "
I WILL NOT BE FORCED TO SHARE MY CONTENT ACCORDING TO THE WHIMS OF A SECOND-RATER. NOT NOW, NOT EVER. MY CONTENT CAN ONLY BE DISTRIBUTED ACCORDING TO MY WILL AND MY WILL ALONE
" Slow down there, Capslock Harry. She also goes on to state "If my husband did not have a high security government job this would not be a discussion and the files on that site would have been infected with a series of viruses designed to destroy a computer - not merely correctable by a format and reinstall."



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[info]ari_
2006-11-05 08:44 am UTC (link)
It's technically not legal, but EA turns a blind eye to it

More detailled:

back in the early days of Sims1, bandwidth was not as easy to come by as it is today. So sites with lots of/very popular custom content were rather expensive to run. Eventually, they seem to have contacted Maxis, and Maxis, bless their ignorant hearts, said that it was ok to charge for the bandwidth costs - but not, of course, for the custom content itself.

Considering that the guy who runs TSR is most definitly living from his income he gets from the site, you can imagine how close the community sticks to this. There's 2 or 3 other sites where the owners have said that they're living on the money they make from creating sims2 CC.

JMP's argument is that he's offering the stuff from his site, so he is saving the sites he gets the stuff from bandwidth, and since they should only be charging for the bandwidth cost...

I'm vastly amused at hte reactions at MTS2, because I remember back in 2004, when Sims2 came out, MTS2 had *HUGE* ant-TSR threads, because TSR was an EVIL EVIL paysite, and I think they were even urging Quaxi, who created SimPE, the main program that is used for CC creation, to forbid people to use it to create pay-site stuff.

Paysites have been wanky as hell since Sims1. AFAIK, Sims is the only computer game where people charge for add-ons, at least on a scale this large.

(and for all the Sims2 players who haven't done so: MATY, JMP's site, offers stuff by JMP and TwoJeffs that is rather essential, because Maxis now belongs to EA, and the game comes with many many bugs, and they have the necessary fixes)

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-05 12:30 pm UTC (link)
I like the idea of sites where a great deal of the content is free, but if you donate a token amount of money you can get some nifty extras. I guess it might be possible if someone got enough donations to make a profit, but I like to think that they really are only making enough to go towards bandwidth costs.

As for paysites... I figure that I can get something similar for free somewhere else.

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[info]ari_
2006-11-05 01:00 pm UTC (link)
Aroundthesims2.com works like that, and that I really don't mind.

I *do* mind the paysites (or even free sites who scream about "OMG, don't upload my stuff to the Exchange under any circumstances, or I'll come and rip out your liver") who get so "IT'S *MY* STUFF, I *MADE* IT", when they're also using 3D models that *other* people have made - and quite often using them without permission.

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-06 01:38 pm UTC (link)
I have much love for ATS2. I've considered ponying up for some of the donation sets, but I'm not allowed to use my credit card until I clear the huge pile of debt I've got on it. Colour me very, very disappointed :(

djs_specs@LJ

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-06 05:50 pm UTC (link)
A lot of sites do just that, like Peggysims, Rosesims, and other sites. Peggysims is a little more 50/50 content wise, but both free and pay are top-notch stuff.

Me, I'm surprised to see a lot of names I know involved in this wank. I would have tipped off about some wank that would have occurred earlier (famous creator from a site mysteriously 'dies' from an illness, 'brother' comes on the Sims boards to say she died, you know where this is going, eh?), but the Sims2 community held together and thankfully didn't wank.

-Sims2 Addict anonymous

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[info]luthe
2006-11-05 09:58 pm UTC (link)
SecondLife has people who charge for add-ons, but that's a little different, because in-game currency is used.

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[info]loony666
2006-11-06 01:33 am UTC (link)
Hey, I know this is kind of a weird place to ask, but where did you get the female tux I've seen you use?

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[info]ari_
2006-11-06 06:50 am UTC (link)
I think I got it from MTS2, either the clothes or the meshes section. But I'm really not sure - sorry.

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-06 06:25 pm UTC (link)
Thanks!

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[info]missandrony
2006-11-06 09:28 am UTC (link)
I'm way too lazy to create my own custom content, and I have loads of respect for the people who DO take the time and effort to create content, but damn if that site isn't tempting. Looking back on my Sims 1 and Sims 2 years, I've probably shelled out hundreds of dollars on Sims content - hell, Peggy and Rose alone can beggar a girl. I much prefer the sites that have monthly subscriptions for REASONABLE rates (which I don't consider Peggy to be one of, but I keep ponying up anyway) and update frequently enough for it to be worth it. That strikes me as necessary for maintainence, while places like Rosesims, Vitasims, Reflexsims charge $2-5 per set. It gets obnoxious after a while.

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[info]dreagonfli
2006-11-06 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Well, you're just amazing. Thanks for that link to the MATY site. I used to be all "in the know" when it came to Sims1, but Sims2 I never know where to go to get the good stuff. So thanks!

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MTS2
(Anonymous)
2006-11-07 10:53 am UTC (link)
MTS2 is an old granny site now. Pescado is more than half the reason that site ever got off the ground.

PSMBD is the funniest thing to ever happen to the Sims 2.

Boo, it's been so long since I've posted here my username's been deleted, LOL.

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