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Lee ([info]southernbangel) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-11-07 14:31:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*
Entry tags:fandom: torchwood, racism

Who hates Welsh people? [info]jennyo does!
(Thanks to [info]prolific and anonymousie for the links!)

It's a day that ends with "y" so [info]jennyo is off fapping about racism, or sexism, or classism, or any other "ism." Today's rant? Racism! Or how 'Whitey' is no-good!

It starts with [info]jennyo declaring TV is all about 'Whitey', no ifs, ands or buts about it. As always, it devolves into tedious, tl;dr paragraphs about how every minority character on TV is a "token" character. What makes this wank even more enjoyable is the raging self-hatred. Mmmm, delicious!

Naturally, there is wank in the comments, which gets more into Welsh representation on Torchwood with [info]jennyo declaring that I must honestly admit I don't give a shit about Welsh people, and that I will probably from now on hope that the Welsh are, in fact, further oppressed.

[info]m_butterfly and [info]sexonastick (among others) try (okay, the response is a bit snarky but still made of win) to explain why exactly Torchwood isn't as racially oppressive as [info]jennyo tries to make it and is actually very progressive.

[info]nostalgia_lj responds with her own post. As of the posting of this, [info]jennyo has not commented to it.

But no wank would be complete without the bitchy follow-up rant wherein [info]jennyo dismisses the Welsh discussion as a "half-assed issue." Nice.

ETA: [info]calapine pwns jennyo by addressing racial statistics in the UK.




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[info]grrliz
2006-11-07 11:11 pm UTC (link)
Oh man, I saw that yesterday on [info]metafandom and kind of went cross-eyed.

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-07 11:15 pm UTC (link)
*Ahem* (http://calapine.livejournal.com/340436.html)

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[info]worstangel
2006-11-07 11:18 pm UTC (link)
Damn it. Torchwood wankery and it's not about the slash.

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[info]teruhiko
2006-11-07 11:20 pm UTC (link)
What next? Oppressing Cornish people? Geez.

I just get the feeling that any of these shows could introduce teams of ass-kicking black, Asian, Latino and everythingelse people and this girl still wouldn't be satisfied.

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[info]frequentmouse
2006-11-07 11:20 pm UTC (link)
This has been all over my flist, so I thank you for giving me an economical one-stop shopping experience.

And let me say that for utter, bigotted US-centric world view, that last [info]jennyo post sets some kind of record.

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[info]shadowkitty
2006-11-07 11:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm so surprised Torchwood is being wanky, but there's no mention of Owen's tendencies.

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[info]melisus
2006-11-07 11:28 pm UTC (link)
Racism wank/rants always make me feel oppressed.

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[info]entrenous88
2006-11-07 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Wow. sexonastick is all kinds of awesome.

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[info]esclaramonde
2006-11-07 11:33 pm UTC (link)
So, according to Jennyo, racism only counts if it's based on Caucasian vs. Asian vs. African, basically. There must be a word to describe that beyond "stupid".

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[info]bitch_ass_hoe
2006-11-07 11:35 pm UTC (link)
I note that jennyo is all about owning her "white" privilege. Shame that that makes her totally and completely blind to her American middle-class educated privilege.

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[info]the_gentleman
2006-11-07 11:37 pm UTC (link)
I am shocked and appalled at the lack of sheep in Torchwood. Even today, the BBC depicts Wales as a country where bi-species relationships do not exist. The statistics show that this is absolute nonsense. And this from a show that otherwise deals with issues such as date-rape, nymphomania, and fate with taste and subtlety.

Shame on you, Russel T. Davies, for failing to succumb to the most obvious stereotypes. What next, a black companion for Doctor Who? I should cocoa.

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*wears a leek*
[info]kadath
2006-11-07 11:38 pm UTC (link)
I've had a crush on Wales in general since I read The Grey King. QUIT HATIN' ON THE WELSH, BITCH.

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[info]hooverdam
2006-11-07 11:38 pm UTC (link)
Verily, Sparky Hughes weeps at the idea.

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[info]red_eft
2006-11-07 11:44 pm UTC (link)
*needs a 'get off my side, etc' icon*

Man, a lot of the time I agree with Jennyo's basic point- Characters of color are disproportionately ignored, both in canon and fandom! Discussions of racism often devolve into "but what about white people?" which is really annoying! I agree with all of these things! Yet she's so obnoxious and arrogant about it that I want to argue with her just because.
*full of spite*

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-07 11:45 pm UTC (link)
LOL MEME SHOUT-OUT!

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[info]ingrid
2006-11-07 11:50 pm UTC (link)
My German mom used to tell me if I married a Bavarian, she'd disown me.

Luckily, I turned out to be gay.

It was also the best lesson on Racism and Why It's Stupid I ever experienced.

I have nothing, except, I'd marry a Welsh girl in a minute. If that were allowed, that is ...

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[info]skarrow
2006-11-07 11:52 pm UTC (link)
As always, it devolves into tedious, tl;dr paragraphs about how every minority character on TV is a "token" character.

Chairman Kaga does not find jennyo's arguments exquisite or well-prepared.

[Sorry. I really am. It's just that I've been watching nothing but Iron Chef reruns for the past three weeks. God, I want a bell pepper.]

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she's ignoring her OWN FANDOMS - (Anonymous), 2006-11-08 12:36 am UTC
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Sarcasm is just one service I offer. - [info]palefire, 2006-11-10 06:15 am UTC
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[info]meril
2006-11-07 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Let me get this straight. Jennyo's going into this with a completely US-centric view of race and ethnic relations, yet she lives in Korea? (I'm assuming she's American, teaching English there--doesn't mean she's not Korean-American, but for some wee reason I don't think she is.)

I'm sure most Koreans would absolutely loooove to hear that intra-'racial' conflict doesn't exist, and that they're just the same as the Japanese, 'cuz they're both Asian groups, you know?

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[info]onaga
2006-11-07 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Okay, two things.

One is that Cardiff? Is pretty freaking white. I've been there. Multiple times. Very white.

Two is that I love how Jennyo magically knows that all the people debating her are white. Because obviously they're just not aware of their white privilege! wtf.

*headdesks a lot*

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-07 11:56 pm UTC (link)
...She's listing Firefly as one of the racist series? You know, the series where we see less than fifteen characters (including the lead cronies) interact in pretty much each episode, nine in some cases? I mean, I agree that Whedon could have done with some more diversity in the crew of Serenity, but I thought he was doing pretty well for himself with the mixing of the cultures... (And, before I post this and probably open up a big can of splooge, I would like to say that this is from a non-educated standpoint - I know he probably bastardized Chinese culture, but at least the plebian masses can see that it's Chinese. And if the show wasn't cancelled, who knows what could've happened?)

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[info]haunted
2006-11-07 11:59 pm UTC (link)
I mean, having done my historical research, even when everyone slammed the Irish, one notes a favorite epithet was comparing them to black people.

Does she mean "black Irish"? As in, an Irish person who has black hair and/or swarthy skin? Or is there something else that I'm missing?

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[info]livii
2006-11-08 12:02 am UTC (link)
Yay, posted and not in i_wank!

As I've mentioned on Nos' post and others, Torchwood so far has also had an interracial relationship, a mixed race character who [spoiler redacted], a black best friend, etc. I'd also note that on DW proper last year there was a vast and wonderful array of people of different ethnicities and backgrounds. And they're so casual about it - it just is. I love that, yo.

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[info]nifflet
2006-11-08 12:12 am UTC (link)
Torchwood wank! Four shows in, the fandom wastes no time. They're already being called racist! My little baby's growing up so fast...

Am I the only one that looks at this all and says "Screw racism, I'd rather jump Jack/Gwen/both"?

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[info]xanos
2006-11-08 12:18 am UTC (link)
I quite like this comment to [info]calapine's post:

I'm just happy that Torchwood is finally representing the sizeable British pterodactyl community.

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[info]ladyrogue
2006-11-08 12:33 am UTC (link)
And okay, now there is New Girl, who people are already planning to hate because she's not the Blonde White Social-Climbing Woman. Whoo?

Correction: People are hating on her because she's not Rose.

Also, I need some perspective please from those in the UK. Is Wales treated like some Americans treat Canada? Or what? I need an analogy if someone could.

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(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-11-08 04:11 am UTC
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... - [info]drakyndra, 2006-11-08 08:28 am UTC
... - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-11-09 02:26 pm UTC
... - [info]puipui, 2006-11-09 08:16 pm UTC
... - [info]nostalgia, 2006-11-08 02:00 pm UTC
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... - [info]grapefruitzzz, 2006-11-10 06:13 pm UTC
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... - [info]nostalgia, 2006-11-08 01:59 pm UTC
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... - [info]nostalgia, 2006-11-08 08:24 pm UTC
... - [info]drakyndra, 2006-11-08 08:25 pm UTC
... - [info]nostalgia, 2006-11-08 08:39 pm UTC
... - [info]puipui, 2006-11-09 04:14 am UTC
... - [info]grapefruitzzz, 2006-11-10 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - vomitymcpuke, 2006-11-08 06:23 am UTC
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... - vomitymcpuke, 2006-11-08 06:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alryssa, 2006-11-08 10:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amaltheia, 2006-11-08 11:22 am UTC
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