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	crysiana 2006-11-13 12:41 am UTC (link)
	So...the site forgets a ® and it's suddenly OMG evil? Apparently Anne McCaffrey's batshit has spread to some of her fans. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	velvet_mace 2006-11-13 12:55 am UTC (link)
	You know that list of rules she stated doesn't strike me as being terribly batshit. She basically is giving the green light to all fanworks (with the exception of porn) so long as they aren't being commercial about it. Seems a far cry from Anne Rice's horror of fanworks. Her fans on that site, however -- certified grade A batshit indeed. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	velvet_mace 2006-11-13 12:52 am UTC (link)
	Whoa, Demonkeeper has her self-righteous fear mongering groove going. Way to kill people's innocent fun girl. (Reply to this)

	chaimonkey 2006-11-13 01:01 am UTC (link)
	This sort of shit is what makes me loathe to ever read McCaffrey's work. I'm afraid it's contagious. shudder (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dark_puck 2006-11-13 02:14 am UTC (link)
	I assure you, it isn't. ...well, it might be if you participate in the online fandom. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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keleri
2006-11-13 01:02 am UTC (link)

Wow. That Demonkeeper is a special individual.

That said, I wouldn't understand why anyone would rip off Pern that obviously. ("Ribbon" instead of thread. *SNERK*) It's not even that interesting, except as maybe a fast-track to teh sexx0rz with the mating flights, etc. etc. (I'm not a big fan of the Pern dragons--too hierarchical and the set roles are a little depressing.)

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	empyrealdragon 2006-11-13 02:07 am UTC (link)
	I don't know why they would want to rip it off so stupidly. I've seen AltPerns before, but none really so blatant or ridiculous. And those were all MUSHes when McCaffrey had the ban on new Pern MUSHes being made. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	toph 2006-11-13 01:02 am UTC (link)
	Huh. I didn't think this kind of wank would happen anymore. Did the whole 'role playing games no longer require written consent from McCaffrey, without fear of legal action' thing not count? (Reply to this)

	melisus 2006-11-13 01:35 am UTC (link)
	So... because it's based on an existing novel... it should be shut down? Wow. Someone better warn the multitudes of people with Harry Potter-based RPGs. (Reply to this)(Thread)

crysiana
2006-11-13 02:56 am UTC (link)

Well, Anne McCaffrey was historically ~~insane~~ intensely protective of fandom stuff - sometimes you couldn't have RP at all, sometimes you needed written permission...but she's actually relaxed that now, officially. Which is to say you can have an RPG/fanfiction/fanart that goes by her rules so long as you don't have porn, and as long as you point out that it's actually from her work and it's not for profit. So the only thing really missing from the site in question is the point that Dragonriders of Pern is a registered trademark (which she asks people to do.)

That said, Demonkeeper's a bit nuts.

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	v_digitalwytch 2006-11-13 06:36 pm UTC (link)
	I did know a person who had a HP based RPG that did get shut down through a cease and desist. Wasn't sure why since it was as tame as tame could be. Though I did hear through the rumour mill that it wasn't so much Rowling's lawyers but the Time-Warner lawyers who got thier knickers in a twist. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hearsawho 2006-11-13 03:08 am UTC (link)
	It'd be more accurate to say that a posse failed to be organized. The folks at PA basically told 'Bane' that nobody cared and to stop bullying the game. (Reply to this)

embyquinn
2006-11-13 03:13 am UTC (link)

Back when I was active in the convention circuit (about 12-15 years ago now...gah, I'm old), I hung out a lot with people from many fandoms and I was on pretty good terms with those who ran the local sanctioned Weyr. From that, and from my associations with other people, I gathered that Anne got blindsided by the whole MZB vs. rabid fangirl debacle. (Long story short: fangirl claims MZB ripped off an idea from her, long ugly legal battle ensues, MZB kills off an entire series over it, and her close friends/protegees, e.g. Anne and Mercedes Lackey, get really bitter and paranoid about it and start putting strict limitations on fanworks based on their own material.)

Is Kreysthahlwhosis a "rip-off" of Pern? Undoubtedly. Should it be shut down? No, and I'll tell you why. Even though she took a lot of the concepts from DoP, she didn't use any of the trademarked names or copyrighted material. You can't copyright an idea. Rip-offs are all over the place, haven't you noticed? Pokemon is a rip-off of Digimon. (Yes, it is, don't argue with me.) Bratz are a rip-off of Barbie (and Barbie's My Scene line is a rip-off of Bratz). Lost is a rip-off of Survivor. It's universal. Since the creator/maintainer of Kreys-whatever isn't trying to make money off of it, the Pernfen should just step off. At least she credited her source material, which is more than a lot of people do.

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	mer1973 2006-11-13 03:22 am UTC (link)
	Since the creator/maintainer of Kreys-whatever isn't trying to make money off of it, the Pernfen should just step off. But, but, that would make sense. If people did that F_W would never have any fun! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	gobsmacked 2006-11-13 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	fangirl claims MZB ripped off an idea from her, long ugly legal battle ensues, MZB kills off an entire series over it boggles Which series? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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embyquinn, 2006-11-14 11:42 pm UTC

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kannaophelia
2006-11-14 03:01 am UTC (link)

Bratz are more a rip-off of Blythe and similar "mod" fashion lines from that era, what with the freaky ugly deformed proportions, but Bratz "borrow" from Barbie concepts all the damn time. As do Barbie off them. I'd say My Scene resemble high-end older fashion dolls in terms of proprotion far more than they do Bratz, although they do have a lesser degree of the chav slutfest that is Bratz going on, but what the hell... you're right, they all steal. Rabid Jem fen who get hysterical over Barbnie and the Rockers seem to forget who Hasbro were "borrowing" from in the first place, and... all the way back to Lilli.

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	palefire 2006-11-15 03:41 am UTC (link)
	Wiki sez Pokemon came out on 1995 and Digimon came out in 1997. Is there something I don't know here? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	breecita 2006-11-13 04:07 am UTC (link)
	Is there a poll? It isn't pern wank without a poll! (Reply to this)

	stupid_fangirl 2006-11-13 04:22 am UTC (link)
	Why the heck I continue reading it as Dragon Riders of Porn? shamefully back in corner (Reply to this)(Thread)

	tavalya_ra 2006-11-13 04:27 am UTC (link)
	Because it's more fun that way? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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stupid_fangirl, 2006-11-13 04:29 am UTC

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	sunhawk 2006-11-13 04:42 am UTC (link)
	hurray for fandom police! (Reply to this)

	evanwaters 2006-11-13 05:45 am UTC (link)
	I'm actually kinda disappointed in how this turned out. One batshit fan threatens to shut the whole operation down, doesn't respond to defenses citing McCaffrey's own rules (which, as noted, are fairly reasonable), and the site owner caves anyway? Stand up for yourself, Houka Ryuu! (Reply to this)

	catatonia 2006-11-13 08:41 am UTC (link)
	5. Pornographic or “slasher” sites, based on any of my literary works, are expressly forbidden. But I’m sure you know that. I’m a grandmother, after all. So you're allowed to have sex, but your characters aren't? Foreshame, Anne! BTW pornographic =/= slash, oh Anti-Paragrapher. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	oxydosic 2006-11-13 02:49 pm UTC (link)
	She doesn't allow porn? Now granted I never read the stuff, but - wasn't mating kind of one of the focuses of the books? (Reply to this)(Thread)