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Jane Graddell ([info]janegraddell) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-12-17 18:00:00


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Entry tags:fandom: discworld, person: jkr, person: terry pratchett

So, I Can Take That as a "Yes," Mr. Pratchett?
So, Terry Pratchett was (rather unflatteringly) interviewed in the Times. [ETA April 20, 2007: The previous link is now dead. For all those interested in your wank history, here's a working one, supplied here by a helpful anonymouse: Sod the Booker, this is popular: Giles Hattersley meets Terry Pratchett.]

Here is a loose and free paraphrase of a portion of the interview:

Interviewer: "So, when did J. K. Rowling stop beating your wife start ripping off your work?"

Terry Pratchett: "You're crazy if you think I'm actually going to answer that."

Interviewer: "I'll take that as a yes." (<--Actual real quote)

Potter fans: "OMG Pratchett dissed JKR! He's so jealous!"

Me: *Headdesk*

The Leaky Cauldron report on the article, with links to other Pratchett interviews/letters, is here. [ETA May 14, 2009: Although the original post remains, the old comments page, with all its glorious wank, appears to be gone. If anyone knows a workaround URL to get to old Leaky comments, let me know.]

Oh, yeah. The wank report from the last time this happened is here.

ETA: Mightily Oates posts this response from Pratchett:

A fan asked him about the latest nonsense on alt.fan.pratchett today, and asked how he reacted. Responding he said:

…with annoyance. And that was one of the more subtle leading questions I've had in the past month or so.

Ye gods, we've all been though this before. In a genre, it all comes out of the same big pot, yadda, yadda, and that's true. As a writer you can dip it and pull out 'Magic school' or 'dragon riders' or whatever, and you understand that someone else might do exactly the same thing and that's okay provided everyone understands that they should put their own skin on the idea. I have never accused JKR of plagiarism, although I get the impression that some of her fans think I do so all the time.

Why clam up in that interview? Because I'd said my piece. It's the only way to be sure. A wrong phrasing, the wrong tone of voice and there's trouble. Silence, of course, can be misinterpreted, but at least it's silence.

I've been getting stuff like this:

Did you get the name Hogswatch from Hogwarts?
No, I made it up in The Colour of Magic, out of Hogmanay and Watch night.
When was that?
1983.
Ah, so you're saying she stole it from you?
Silence or changing the subject are the only safe ways out, and not that safe, at that.

--
Terry Pratchett


(paragraphing supplied by me)

ETA2: Because it's impossible to discuss Pratchett without someone wanting to try his books, we now have a thread of Pratchett recs. In fact, have two.



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[info]singe
2006-12-18 04:10 am UTC (link)
What's the funniest Pratchett book? I feel like contributing to the guy's fortune to help make up for this crap.

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[info]dottiness
2006-12-18 04:14 am UTC (link)
He has so many. His newer stuff is probably the way to go, though, as I found his older books somewhat flat and unflattering. I'm fond of Thief of Time, though I hear Going Postal is also wonderful.

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[info]tangentialone
2006-12-18 04:29 am UTC (link)
Oh, it is--loved the main character and there were a few lovely Vetinari bits in it, as well(not that I'm in any way biased towards anything that has Vetinari in it!).

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[info]dragonfangirl
2006-12-18 05:41 am UTC (link)
I preferred Going Postal. Thief of time was clever in a make-your-head-spin way, but I did not enjoy reading it as much as reading Going Postal -- where there was no real mystery, but the book was an amazing roller coaster despite that.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-19 12:21 pm UTC (link)
I loved GP, and I haven't loved all that much of his new stuff. It's one of my favourites. Recommended! (Although I wouldn't start with it as a first book, because (although it stands on its own) you won't get the little one line jokes/cameos.)
-Dzurlady

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 03:58 am UTC

[info]vengeance_bean
2006-12-18 04:16 am UTC (link)
You want recs? 'cause I've got recs. I lurk in dark alleys in a trench coat to rec Discworld novels.

(My favorite is Small Gods. Such an insightful little satire of organized religion!)

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2006-12-18 04:20 am UTC
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iwanttobeasleep
2006-12-18 04:19 am UTC (link)
Night Watch and Monstrous Regiment were my favorites. It's hard to choose though.

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[info]tangentialone
2006-12-18 04:28 am UTC (link)
Well, I've always especially liked Wyrd Sisters and Witches Abroad... Jingo is one of my absolute favorites, though, but you have to not mind sort of jumping into the middle of the series. Oh! The Truth and Going Postal are both quite good, and they're stand-alones, more or less. And, of course, there's Good Omens--that was with Neil Gaiman and isn't a Discworld book.

...Let's see. The Rincewind ones are probably the lightest, overall; those are The Colour of Magic, The Light Fantastic, Sourcery, Eric, Interesting Times, The Last Continent, and The Last Hero(which is shorter and illustrated). If you like science, there's The Science of Discworld I</a> and II, which are chapters of story interspersed with chapters of science.
After those, there's probably the Death ones: Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music, Hogfather, and Thief of Time.

Standalones are Pyramids, Moving Pictures, Small Gods(which is thematically a little darker than most of the others, I think, but still has a lot of very funny bits), The Truth, and Going Postal.

Of course, they're all good so you should read all of them. ;)

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(no subject) - [info]tangentialone, 2006-12-18 04:30 am UTC
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[info]squeakytoy
2006-12-18 04:30 am UTC (link)
Funniest?

They get better as they go along IMO. The Guards series (Guards! Guards!, Men At Arms, Feet Of Clay, The Fifth Elephant, Jingo, Night Watch, Thud) are among my favourites - but they were better from Men At Arms through to The Fifth Elephant - although I still enjoy them.

Going Postal is probably a good recent book for getting into the universe. It's set in Ankh Morpork, features the wonderful wit for which Pterry kicks arse, and is a lovely satire on big business, multinationalism, and corporations.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-18 04:30 am UTC (link)
I've read all of them, and I have to say, Going Postal is the funniest of them, IMO. The Vimesy ones are my favourites, but darker and more black humour.

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[info]go_shirly
2006-12-18 04:57 am UTC (link)
I read Carpe Jugulum fairly early on, and found it very funny despite the fact that it was one of the later books in the Witches' series. Though I might have liked it because it really made fun of the romanticism often found in vampire stories.

I know they're not all that popular, but the Witches stories can be easier to get into than the Ankh-Morpork books. Fewer characters and locations to keep track of, and that's a bonus when you're just starting out with the ideas of Discworld. Death is good, too.

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[info]sesana
2006-12-18 05:32 am UTC (link)
I think The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents may not be the funniest, but it's one of the best for jumping into Discworld. To put it briefly, it's about the Pied Piper, if the rats are in on it and a talking cat runs the show.

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 04:19 am UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2006-12-18 05:42 am UTC (link)
It's not the funniest, but my personal favorite is either Feet of Clay (actually a book with a lot of very sad, touching elements mixed with the irony and snark) or Thud! (the most amazing horror mood-setting I've seen in a long time.) Unfortunately both of those are part of the series.

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[info]ilpalazzo
2006-12-18 05:44 am UTC (link)
Personally I loved Pyramids the most. The nation of Djelibeybi, the day-to-day life in the Assassins' Guild, it's marvelous stuff.

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 04:25 am UTC

[info]onaga
2006-12-18 05:51 am UTC (link)
"Small Gods" is lovely, but "Good Omens" is one of my three favorite books in the whole wide world. (Technically cowritten with Neil Gaiman, but that just makes it exponentially funnier.)

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[info]vigilanterodent
2006-12-18 06:07 am UTC (link)
Adding to the chorus: it's hard to say. Personally my favorites are all books with Sam Vimes in them (Guards! Guards!, Men At Arms, Fifth Elephant, Night Watch etc.) but as a warning you'll have to read them in the order they were published, because there's a number of ongoing storylines which only make sense if you begin at the beginning. Fortunately, Guards! Guards! is really great.

I do suggest you avoid the earliest books, though. I know it's heresy, but I admit it - I really don't like the first couple of Discworld books. In general, the only thing I like about the books about the Wizards is the Librarian.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-18 06:08 am UTC (link)
I read Monstrous Regiment and Soul Music for the first time earlier this week and I still haven't been able to stop giggling. And Good Omens is absolutely brilliant, too.

-- jessalae

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 04:29 am UTC

[info]whimsy_chan
2006-12-18 06:11 am UTC (link)
I haven't read any Discworld books yet, but when I asked a complete stranger more or less this same question he suggested I start with Good Omens by Terry and Neil Gaiman. It's not part of a series, so you don't have to worry about any previous continuity, and it'll give you a good sample of Terry's writing style.

I have to say, that was possibly the best advice I've ever gotten from a complete stranger. :D Good Omens is an absolutely hilarious book, and hands-down one of my favorite novels.

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[info]qem_chibati
2006-12-18 06:54 am UTC (link)
I'll add to Going Postal is a pretty good way to start - it mostly covers a new character, so their aren't really previous plots that you need to have known in order to understand what's going on.


Actually in general most of his books can be read as is; Some of them make a lot more sense if you read them in order (the watch evolves so much in the series), but others if you can just take it for granted a certain level of detail would be pretty easy to pick up, like Carpe Juglum.


If you are a HP fan, I did think that the Tiffany books (Wee Free Men, Hatful of sky, Wintersmith), were a good way to start off in the series.

That's not because I think they've been influenced by JKR, *rolls eyes*, but they don't require previous knowledge from other books (though the witches feature prominently), they have a good plot, and are some of his more recent works so are relatively easy to get hold of. It's also easy to identify with Tiffany as she learns about what being a witch is all about.

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[info]entelodont
2006-12-18 07:03 am UTC (link)
Guards, Guards, Witches Abroad, The Last Continent and Hogfather are all good places to start, as are the standalones like The Truth.

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 04:33 am UTC

[info]sepiamagpie
2006-12-18 09:36 am UTC (link)
Well, tis the season so I'll say... Hogfather.

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 04:35 am UTC

[info]m_butterfly
2006-12-18 12:06 pm UTC (link)
Find someone who knows you pretty well and is a fan and get a personal recommendation. It's kind of inevitable that everyone's tastes on Discworld vary wildly, and it's really easy to pick up a book or sub-series someone else loved and praised to you and hate it just because you didn't click with it.

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[info]naienko
2006-12-18 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Failing everyone else's suggestions, hit the library first, grab a couple of the suggestions, and see what hits you hardest. I admit, I happened to start with the first three, which comparatively speaking weren't the best, but it was highly amusing later on to realise just how much his style had developed and changed while simultaneously remaining much the same.

All that being said, I'm very fond of Thief of Time (Lu-Tze!) and Small Gods (Oh, Christianity.)

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 04:39 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-12-18 11:57 pm UTC (link)
It's probably blasphemy to say, but personally I'm not all that fond of his Diskworld books. A defect in my humor, no doubt, but I don't find them as funny as most people do. That said, Small Gods or any of the Death books are prolly the best place to start.

However, if you could only read one Pratchett book, I'd recommend Good Omens. Collab with Gaiman, and the best book either has ever written. I love Gaiman's comics, but think most of his book books are in desperate need of an editor, and not all of his shorter stories click with me, like Pratchett's solo work doesn't click. But Good Omens is absolutely delightful. It's such a shame there almost certainly won't be a sequel: not just because the proposed sequel would have "made Crowly/Aziraphale shippers very happy", but also because their collab work is so good; really, I'd just adore another joint work of theirs.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-19 02:51 am UTC (link)
Nobody has mentioned Jingo yet? How has this been allowed to occur?

"No one had ever seen [Vetinari] use a weapon, and it occured to Fred Colon in a flash of unaccustomed insight that this was not in fact a comforting thought at all."

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-12-27 04:44 am UTC

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