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I've read the right books to interpret your looks ([info]capsulekei) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-12-22 00:22:00


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Current mood:Sparkly
Current music:my roommate and I are watching Everything Is Illuminated
Entry tags:fandom: bands

Ys? More like ... CrappY!
For some reason there seems to be quite a lot of wank around harp playing indie artist Joanna Newsom. I thought this one warranted posting.

So Joanna Newsom released a new album this year entitled Ys. It is extremely ambitious and one would not be out of line to call it difficult. However despite that it seemed to be getting an endless stream of positive reviews.

Except from Rolling Stone.

They summed up the album with;
"Newsom is a classically trained harpist and singer who made a very good 2004 record, but this EP is hard to stomach: Five tracks, four of them more than nine minutes and one ("Only Skin") sixteen-plus, with meandering strings-and-things accompaniment and indulgent vocal quirks that make Bjork sound like Kelly Clarkson."

Nothing really wrong with that. Not everyone needs to like everything. However Rolling Stone just couldn't stand that they weren't allowed to sit at the cool kids table with everyone who likes that stupid Joanna Newsom and her crummy harp album.

Thus they write a new article just to say, HEY! JOANNA (AND EVERYONE WHO LIKES HER) SUX!*

The bolding and underlining is mine.

"In the history of rock music few artists have benefited as much from the hipster audience’s fear of seeming stupid than Joanna Newsom. This much fawned over woodland nymph/harpist — with her track “Emily” off this year’s Ys (pronounced “ees” … what you didn’t know that?) has secured the Number 9 spot on what is an otherwise quite well-conceived list of the year’s 100 best tracks courtesy of indie zeitgeist definers Pitchfork.

We are taking this moment to address an issue that has been plaguing us ever since this album came out, namely, that it sucks. We are particularly strongly reminded of its suckage in this moment, when we see “Emily” in the top-ten company of genuinely awesome tracks by Clipse, Hot Chip, and TV On the Radio.

Most reviews of Newsom’s new album “Ys” follows the same thesis: Her music is dense, lacks melody, tonality, humor and listenability, is somewhat off-putting and often cloyingly pretentious, but if you work hard enough you will feel her genius radiate through you and then you will know you are cool. This woman makes the very precious (but awesome) Regina Spektor — with her quirky ingenue vibe and almost obnoxious doe-eyed coffee house sincerity — seem like AC fucking DC.

Having to read about Newsom (who makes free lyrical use of the word “thee”) being “devoid of artifice” on a list that could have been truly edgy and subversive as well as accurate, is really annoying. Especially when you consider that Pitchfork (much to many of their readers’ dismay) selected Timberlake/T.I. collaboration “My Love” as their Number 1 song of the year. Even we wouldn’t go that far, but they did, and kudos to them. Must they overcompensate by giving eager fanboy props to the preening harpist?"


Comments on the whole seem to be attacking Rolling Stone for such a ridiculous article, but there some "OMG HOW DARE YOU JUDGE THE GREATNESS OF JOANNA!" sentiment mixed in there, along with "right on, she does suck!"

*This is the part that really gets me. I can't be sure, but if the commenters on RS are to be believed, the article when first published was actually called "Joanna Sux" and RS changed the title to something less uh, idiotic. If that's not wanky, I don't know what is. I mean, I wasn't aware internet flame war starters were allowed to write for huge music magazines but you learn something new all the time!




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[info]teruhiko
2006-12-22 11:27 am UTC (link)
I'll say what I said before - I'm not a hardcore Joanna Newsom fan or anything, and I don't mind if people don't like things and feel like giving them a bad review because hey, different strokes and all. But goddamn, at least try to make that huge "I hate that all the kool kids like Joanna Newsom!" chip on your shoulder a little less conspicuous, geez. Surely you can be more professional than "Joanna sux."

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[info]m_butterfly
2006-12-22 11:44 am UTC (link)
Oh, poor Rolling Stone. Joanna seems to have turned it down for sex, and now it's getting revenge with a marker and the bathroom wall.

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[info]gal_montag
2006-12-22 11:53 am UTC (link)
This is why I hate Rolling Stone. I'm pretty sure using the word "suckage" is not only not edgy, but also murders any journalistic integrity you might have had. I don't even know who this harpist is, but seriously, is there ever a reason to write a whole article about how much you hate an artist?

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[info]aristaea
2006-12-22 12:24 pm UTC (link)
I like Joanna Newsom, although I certainly don't love every single piece she's ever written ever, and I'm secure enough in the subjectivity of musical appreciation that I don't need either Rolling Stone or Pitchfork to tell me what good music is or what I should be listening to. (Justin Timberlake? WTF.)

I think Rolling Stone is zomg jealous because they're not the arbiter of cool anymore. I mean, come on. They are totally the fanfic author that got no reviews for their middling ff.net story, and have decided that BNF Newsom is their new nemesis because she got a lot of good reviews for a story they think sucked (disregarding actual suckiness). "YOU ALL SUCK! YOU MINDLESS SHEEP CANNOT HOPE TO COMPREHEND THE DEPTH AND COMPLEXITY OF MY PHILOSOPHY WHICH IS APPARENT IN MY STORY! PAY ATTENTION TO ME AND MY MIND-BLOWING OPINIONS!!!"

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-22 12:40 pm UTC (link)
Her music is so pretty, but her voice makes my ears bleed. Sigh.

Joanna Newsome sounds like an elf with a bad head cold.

Does this make Bob Dylan a dwarf?

~penchaft

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[info]southerngaelic
2006-12-22 01:01 pm UTC (link)
We are taking this moment to address an issue that has been plaguing us ever since this album came out, namely, that it sucks. We are particularly strongly reminded of its suckage in this moment, when we see “Emily” in the top-ten company of genuinely awesome tracks by Clipse, Hot Chip, and TV On the Radio.

Uh-huh. I've never been so happy that I don't read this magazine.

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[info]elemcee
2006-12-22 01:09 pm UTC (link)
I've never heard of Joanna Newsome, before (she might have been played on Radio One, but I don't like Jo Whiley).

And when did it become acceptable for a profesional review to use the word 'suck'. I thought that even if they were being wanky, they still tried to be somewhat erudite about it.

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[info]forevagreeneart
2006-12-22 01:14 pm UTC (link)
From my 10 minutes of Google searching her music, her harp style seems very simplistic. Does she use any more complex harp techniques?

/harp nerdage

P.S. Wank about harps (at least indirectly) makes my life.

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More recommendations - [info]harpie84, 2007-01-02 03:38 am UTC
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I can spell, really. - [info]capsulekei, 2006-12-22 09:12 pm UTC
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[info]haunted
2006-12-22 01:26 pm UTC (link)
Warren Ellis had somewhat similar thoughts to Rolling Stone (although "yowling autistic playing a harp with a brick" has more charm than "zomg u suxxors") and was soundly scolded by a friend.

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[info]perletwo
2006-12-22 01:32 pm UTC (link)
Um. Speaking of the emperor's new clothes...why is Rolling Stone reviewing an album of harp music in the first place? Does she do, like, Zeppelin covers or something? I mean, I don't follow music at all, I'm one of those fools who'd rather just listen to the stuff every now and then and that not all that often, but this seems a little out of their purview.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-22 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Well, if the comments are to be believed...

shookie blah | 12/18/2006, 5:52 pm EST

the link to this story on the main page now says “judging joannna”.

it said “why joanna sux” a few hours ago.

Now the article title is "Pitchfork Fall on Newsom Sword". Geez, Rolling Stone, maybe someone over there needs to lay off the booze coffee.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-22 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Her music makes my ears bleed, but I hate Rolling Stone so much. Blegh.

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[info]entrenous88
2006-12-22 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Rolling Stone. Do you want us to turn that racket down? *gets RS its afghan*

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[info]solar_type_star
2006-12-22 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Aaaah, I love music wank... I've been this close to reporting some of the small-scale wank that happens from time to time on the comment pages of Idolator. Fellow music nerds getting on their high horse about a record review they don't like is so very LOL in an endearing way.

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[info]l_s_q
2006-12-22 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Wow, a music publication managing to outdo NME for Inadequate Fanboy Wankage? I never thought I'd see the day.

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[info]coffee_mug
2006-12-22 02:49 pm UTC (link)
I agree that it's super-annoying when some hip artist is elevated into "genius status" so if you don't like the music, you just don't "get it" and are ignorant and generally st00pid when it comes to music (and get responses like, "LAWL why don't you go back to your chart-topping, MTV-played lamo sell-out music, consumerist WHORE who understands nothing of real music!").

However, that's the stuff people rant about in blogs, not fucking Rolling Stone. That's just all kinds of lame and judgmental and yeah, wanky.

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[info]the_clichemoth
2006-12-22 03:18 pm UTC (link)
When I started reading, I didn't remember who she was.

Now I do. She's awful. Pretty sure she's being awful on purpose since she doesn't really talk like she sings, though. And yet people are falling for it because some BNH(Big Name Hipster) who was probably high on Robitussin appletinis and coke at the time decided to say she was good.

I'm with Rolling Stone on this one, and I generally hate them.

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[info]solle
2006-12-22 04:09 pm UTC (link)
I'm sort of halfway tempted to send Rolling Stone a Nora Keyes album. See if their heads explode from indie. Better yet, some Tiger Lillies CDs. Even better, Incredible String Band.

Also, I'd never heard of Joanna Newsom before, but I love her voice. I'm a total sucker for high-pitched warbling.

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[info]telegramsam
2006-12-22 04:21 pm UTC (link)
Further proof that the writers of rolling stone all have the mental age of about 12.

Which is funny, because I haven't read rolling stone since I was 12.

Okay, so somebody put out an album your "writers" don't like. Get over it.

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[info]queencallipygos
2006-12-22 04:26 pm UTC (link)
In all seriousness -- what is the point of an article like that? It would be one thing if everyone in the world were holding up this person as the Next Big Thing, the way they do with, say, Britney Spears, but -- an entire article devoted to dissing a single obscure artist? Regardless of how you may feel about the artist, there is no journalistic point to an article like that.

How in the hell did this get by the editorial staff?

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[info]llama_treats
2006-12-22 04:48 pm UTC (link)
What's that? It's the sound of Rolling Stone attempting to be remotely relevant again and failing miserably.

Then again, all I ever used to like it for was the pictures.

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[info]zealot
2006-12-22 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Is that really her in the photo? With the, uh, adolescent wolf on her head? She usually looks so cute and elfin.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-22 04:57 pm UTC (link)
And here I thought it was wank over the Ys RPG series.

Damn you, popculture, taking from my nerd-dom!

-Ah Nonny Maus

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[info]thoms
2006-12-22 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I'll have to give this Joanna Newsom person a download before I make any judgements on the music, so I can't contribute on that. I'll just be happy that there was that lovely little mention of Regina Spektor. Precious but awesome indeed.

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[info]octavia
2006-12-22 05:28 pm UTC (link)
Having to read about Newsom (who makes free lyrical use of the word “thee”) being “devoid of artifice” on a list that could have been truly edgy and subversive as well as accurate, is really annoying. Especially when you consider that Pitchfork (much to many of their readers’ dismay) selected Timberlake/T.I. collaboration “My Love” as their Number 1 song of the year. Even we wouldn’t go that far, but they did, and kudos to them. Must they overcompensate by giving eager fanboy props to the preening harpist?

Miss! Miss! RS is pulling Pitchfork's hair!

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