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Hexnut ([info]tunxeh) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-02-02 17:18:00


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Entry tags:religion, webcomics

D20s of clay
So, DM of the Rings, a long-running webcomic that makes fun of both LotR and roleplaying game culture by imagining what could have happened if the LotR movie scenes were played by gamers. Many of us are familiar with and amused by it, I'm sure.

But its author has a deep dark secret, which davegodfrey exposes: he's a homeschooled creationist! Dave doesn't like this, and says so, ironically using a biblical quote to do so:

I expect my heroes to have feet of clay, (although Darwin didn't by all accounts). But when a random cartoonist turns out to have brains of crap it's rather depressing. Frankly I was expecting him to be a christian- he's American after all, and homeschooling, for all sorts of reasons, is really popular over there, but creationist? That I can't overlook.
Shamus, the DM of the Rings author, takes exception to the criticism at tl;dr length. There ensues much wanking among his fanits about how atheists are bigots and should be ignored, especially that mean famous atheist PZ Myers (where did he come in?) and how quoting scripture makes them hypocritical.

No anti-creationist atheists have yet dared to post on the DM of the Rings thread (or if they have they've been modded off) but there's plenty of wank to go around regardless.

ETA: Godfrey apologizes in his own LJ and in the DMotR thread (thanks [info]snarkbunny for the link)



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[info]esclaramonde
2007-02-03 03:39 am UTC (link)
Frankly I was expecting him to be a christian- he's American after all, and homeschooling, for all sorts of reasons, is really popular over there, but creationist?

Wait, so okay, American --> Christian, but not creationist?

Well, I guess I should be glad that hasn't entered our general stereotype, though I could have sworn it did.

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[info]ayezur
2007-02-03 03:44 am UTC (link)
Randy is your god and you will worship him.

The entire arc is pertinent. Starts here

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-03 04:08 am UTC (link)
Frankly I was expecting him to be a christian- he's American after all, and homeschooling, for all sorts of reasons, is really popular over there, but creationist? That I can't overlook.

The stupidity is strong with this one.

- JB

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[info]sepiamagpie
2007-02-03 04:10 am UTC (link)
What does creationism have to do with calling Legolas the other San Francisco treat?

Nothing! I rule Davegodfrey irrelevant and want more comics.

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[info]braisinhussy
2007-02-03 04:22 am UTC (link)
I only started reading DM of the Rings a few weeks ago, and this whole wank just makes me sad.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-02-03 04:32 am UTC (link)
I'm really not understanding this at all. He's not even buying a product from the guy, just reading a webcomic (or not). There must be tons of people producing media he enjoys who have religious beliefs that bug him.

And Shamus's reply doesn't seem to be about how he is a poor persecuted Christian in this land of godless atheists, so I'll give him points for that.

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[info]mistal
2007-02-03 04:44 am UTC (link)
You know, the DM of the Rings makes me laugh so much(usually) that Shamus could've killed ten thousand person and I would still read it and enjoy it.

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[info]mydemand
2007-02-03 04:50 am UTC (link)
Homeschooling != Christianity ;|

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[info]vigilanterodent
2007-02-03 04:57 am UTC (link)
I gotta confess - the only place I'm seeing any wank here is the original complaint about his beliefs. He seems to have handled it pretty reasonably, to my mind, and no one is being a jackass in the comments. Am I not seeing the LOL because I've got my Christogoogles(TM) on, or what?

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[info]squeakytoy
2007-02-03 04:57 am UTC (link)
Uh... Shamus' response is doesn't look tl;dr to me.

He addressed the issues neatly and succinctly from what I read: a few lines to each and that was it.

Possibly the comments got tl;dr, but I exercised the dr option at that point.

*goes back to catching up on DM of the Rings*

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[info]sunqist
2007-02-03 05:19 am UTC (link)
Man, this is like my Achilles' heel for wank. People like Dave Godfrey make me fucking nuts. It's okay. I can do this, I can fail to wank.



...



*splooge*

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[info]wahlee
2007-02-03 05:33 am UTC (link)
The funniest thing about this is that the Christianity-hater used a Biblical reference.

Don't you just love irony? :P

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[info]bigbigtruck
2007-02-03 05:46 am UTC (link)
Whoa, this comic is fantastic - I'm cracking up at every strip.


Wait, there was wank?

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[info]frequentmouse
2007-02-03 05:46 am UTC (link)
that mean famous atheist PZ Myers (where did he come in?)

Perhaps he's also a Scott Adams fan?

(Ugly is the splooge on that link, and it covers both sides equally).

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[info]soupspooks
2007-02-03 06:02 am UTC (link)
My friends and I used to joke about people rolling botches and nat 20s while watching all of those movies... ahh, the good ol' days.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-03 06:07 am UTC (link)
Comic is hilarious. Davegodfrey is humorless and bitchy. ^^

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So, let's see if I have this....
[info]jjano
2007-02-03 06:11 am UTC (link)
...Some guy with no real connection to the creator of the webcomic takes offense with something that is actually really none of his business in the first place?

Oy vey.

You know--I'm agnostic, but at this point I'm going to make a large donation to Westboro just to get [info]davegodfrey's panties in a twist.

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Re: So, let's see if I have this.... - [info]hallidae, 2007-02-03 06:22 am UTC
Re: So, let's see if I have this.... - [info]churri, 2007-02-03 08:05 am UTC
Re: So, let's see if I have this.... - [info]hallidae, 2007-02-03 08:09 am UTC
Re: So, let's see if I have this.... - [info]churri, 2007-02-03 08:13 am UTC
Re: So, let's see if I have this.... - [info]jjano, 2007-02-03 08:08 pm UTC
Re: So, let's see if I have this.... - [info]hallidae, 2007-02-03 09:14 pm UTC

[info]snarkbunny
2007-02-03 07:08 am UTC (link)
...Huh. Just read to the bottom of the comments, and Dave (or someone using his name) apologized and stated that he'd misinterpreted some things.

Well, darnit - so much for that wank. :(

*looks again* Oh wait, people are now criticizing Dave for not having posted the apology on his original rant, and then another commenter says that he did before he posted that comment? Huh, indeed.

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Also, link. - [info]snarkbunny, 2007-02-03 07:11 am UTC

[info]blackjackrocket
2007-02-03 07:09 am UTC (link)
And it's even got horsesex!

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verthandi
2007-02-03 08:17 am UTC (link)
Frankly I was expecting him to be a christian- he's American after all,

So...my nationality was revoked because I'm a polytheist? Do I get to choose a new country? I'd like one with less wank, plz.

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[info]napalmnacey
2007-02-03 09:32 am UTC (link)
This comic is fantastic!! I wish all home-schooled creationists came out with cool stuff like this!!

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[info]billymasqets
2007-02-03 10:00 am UTC (link)
There's not really any wank except from Godfrey, and he apologized, but this comment is gold:

The basic idea is that if you can categorize someone properly, you can ignore anything they have to say. “Christian” is the standard dismissive category used by European lefties to dismiss anything from America that they hate.

All the other things flow from being Christian. European lefties know that all American Christians are stupid, indoctrinated, obstinate, violent, and deluded. Definitely not postmodern or sophisticated like Europeans who have moved beyond that kind of mysticism.


Not very bright, that one.

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[info]v_digitalwytch
2007-02-03 10:48 am UTC (link)
Ehh, I still find Order of the Stick funnier.

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[info]visp
2007-02-03 12:56 pm UTC (link)
Actually, he didn't quote scripture, he mad a biblical reference. Quite the difference. Just saying.

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[info]isntitironic
2007-02-03 05:56 pm UTC (link)
... now, of all the comics I'd have expected to get religious wank out of, this would not have been the one.

The author of Under the Lemon Tree keeps using it as a way to preach. That never caused wank, although judging by the forums that was because anybody who tried was greeted by frighteningly happy people offering to pray for them, and gave up in disgust.

Get Medieval has Jewish, Muslim, and Catholic characters who occasionally talk about it. A strip in which a Christian and a Jew ended up shouting slurs at each other never caused wank. An over-eager pursuer of converts never caused wank. The author is an atheist, and nobody wanks.

But this? The comic has no religious content! The author's religious views have nothing to do with the comic! WTF, people?

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