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the_mouse ([info]the_mouse) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-03-07 16:31:00


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Entry tags:person: stephen colbert, religion

Stephen Colbert Wank
Taken from the nicest mousie on Wank Report. Sadly, this is not as hot as the title would suggest.

It all starts when [info]saltyj posts the following to [info]thequestionclub:

"'I love my Church, and I'm a Catholic who was raised by intellectuals, who were very devout. What is worthy of satire is the misuse of religion for destructive or political gains. That's totally different from the Word, the blood, the body, and the Christ. His kingdom is not of this earth.' - Stephen Colbert


Does anyone else think it's super cool that he follows his faith? I totally wanted to marry him after I read this, but...dang. He's already married with 3 kids. And is old enough to be my father. Dang."

The responses at first are mostly positive. Then [info]nightninja76 pipes up.

"No, it's not supercool. Faith is for morons."

And all hell breaks loose.



Some sample comments:

nightninja76: "Faith means believing something without (or in spite of) evidence. That people subscribe to something so ridiculous is intellectually offensive.

You wouldn't assign blind faith to your car salesman, would you? No, you'd want guarantees. If he couldn't deliver on his promises, you would stop giving him your business, right?

Why does Jesus get a free pass? Because he's dead? Bullshit."

Katyowns: "And what about people who've had personal experiences with their God?"
Saltyj: "We're all crazy ppl who sees crazy things and hearing voices in our heads. Yup."
Katyowns: "When did I say that? I have had personal experiences where I know my God was close by. I can't prove it, but I felt it, and I personally know it."
Saltyj: "No, I was agreeing with you. I was being sarcastic. Sorry for the confusion! I've had many personal experiences with God. Conversations, even."

______queenie: "Saying faith is stupid is like saying hope is a waste of time. People like to think that after they've gone through life, they'll be able to go to heaven and be at peace. Having faith can be good for you, being able to pray to a deity can relieve stress, even if you have no proof that someone is listening, it doesn't matter."
witchbabywig: "...hope IS a waste of time."
h3artshap3d_b0x: "So if someone is very ill, it's a waste of time to have hope that they get better? What would you suggest doing?"
witchbabywig: "Yes, it is. It changes nothing. I suggest neutrality and preparation for either outcome."
h3artshap3d_b0x: "Wow. So between the two of you, it really looks like Atheists are pretty stone hearted people."
shippo: "Nah, they're usually pretty cool. Except nightninja76. He seems to be a bit of a nutter."
pester: "Not the most colourful crayon in the box, that one."

snarkivist: "THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE DOES NOT INDICATE THE EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE."
nightninja76: "Thanks, Donald Rumsfeld."

h3artshap3d_b0x: "You're young. I used to think the same way. I'm not religious, I wont ever be, but I am agnostic."
bellasmommy: Shh, he's in MENSA. Therefore he > everyone else."
h3artshap3d_b0x: "oic."
nightninja76: "I never claimed that. Why not reason with me instead of speculating falacious straw men to other people?"

In reply to a comment, now sadly deleted:
h3artshap3d_b0x: "People who know would tell you I have thought about God and spirituality to DEATH."

nightninja76: "An agnostic is an athiest [sic] who hasn't thought about it yet."
sesmo: "Nope. An atheist is just a religious person who switched his religion to believing in No God without evidence, instead of believing in one or more god(s) without evidence. An agnostic is someone that realizes that we cannot know. There is no proof showing the existence of god(s), nor is there proof showing the lack of existence of god(s). Therefore, either belief is one held despite lack of evidence."
therikkster: "Sorry, but an Athiest [sic] doesn't have to switch religion; Athiests [sic] who believe in no god, at all, nada. I'm an Athiest [sic, again] but I was never religious."
deviatednorm: "Hey, cute strawman. I totally liked how you added the personal anecdote while missing the crux of sesmo's post."

keithbuff: "Atheism is not a religion. It's like saying 'not collecting coins' is a hobby."



All that and more can be found here: http://community.livejournal.com/thequestionclub/18552182.html

P. S. If this would be more appropriate over at otf_wank, let me know and I'll move it.

ETA: The wank, she has hit Stupid Free (thanks, [info]wankaholic). And [info]oar was kind enough to provide us with extra goodies from the main wank here.




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[info]phosfate
2007-03-08 12:24 am UTC (link)
f_w is fine, don't worry.

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[info]hallidae
2007-03-08 12:30 am UTC (link)
Yay for stupidity on both sides.

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[info]barankhy
2007-03-08 12:49 am UTC (link)
You, get off of your respective sides and out of the internet. You're making everybody's side look stupid.

I think one could safely go in there and smack everybody with the Sparkly Clue Stick of Doom, and not manage to hit the wrong person -_-

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(no subject) - [info]damnedfallacy, 2007-03-08 12:55 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-03-08 05:44 am UTC
Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance
[info]ayezur
2007-03-08 12:54 am UTC (link)
Actually, an agnostic is largely someone who's half-past give-a-shit and gaining. It tends to come with the plaintive wish that everyone shut up and concentrate on making sure existence in this world, during this life is tolerable and shit, since what happens after is largely irrelevant compared to the immediacy of issues like poverty, genocide, rape, etc.

Pass the towel. I just get so frustrated when people tell me I'm an agnostic because I can't make up my mind.

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Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]wankaholic, 2007-03-08 01:08 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]ayezur, 2007-03-08 01:14 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - janegray, 2007-03-08 06:08 pm UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]ladygoddess, 2007-03-09 08:12 pm UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - redwarrior, 2007-03-08 01:45 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]ladysorka, 2007-03-08 03:05 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]ridonkulous, 2007-03-08 03:19 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]kosaginolegion, 2007-03-08 04:58 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]t_boy, 2007-03-08 04:08 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]ayezur, 2007-03-08 04:59 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]t_boy, 2007-03-08 07:20 am UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]ayezur, 2007-03-08 01:16 pm UTC
Re: Reposted because it posted before I could add that last sentance - [info]chikane, 2007-03-08 10:22 am UTC

[info]wankaholic
2007-03-08 01:05 am UTC (link)
There's also loads of stupid in the stupid_free post.

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[info]puipui
2007-03-08 01:06 am UTC (link)
"An agnostic is an athiest [sic] who hasn't thought about it yet."

Could you all just do me a favor and imagine me jumping up and down while yelling increasingly more creative and colorful insults at this person? I just don't have the energy today, sorry.

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[info]caoilainn
2007-03-08 01:07 am UTC (link)
nightninja76: "Thanks, Donald Rumsfeld."

Bwah! Nightninja76 seems like a pretentious, pompous ass, but that cracked me up.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-03-08 08:16 am UTC

[info]scarah2
2007-03-08 01:08 am UTC (link)
A+ would re-lol.

Saltyj: "No, I was agreeing with you. I was being sarcastic. Sorry for the confusion! I've had many personal experiences with God. Conversations, even."

But how does he know it wasn't Snape or Sephiroth???????

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[info]rotten_fish
2007-03-08 01:10 am UTC (link)
You wouldn't assign blind faith to your car salesman, would you? No, you'd want guarantees. If he couldn't deliver on his promises, you would stop giving him your business, right?

Why does Jesus get a free pass? Because he's dead? Bullshit.


But Jesus gave me a really great deal on this Honda! And he even threw in his death for my sins! C'mon, that's pretty special. :(

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[info]vigilanterodent
2007-03-08 01:11 am UTC (link)
Maaan, is it Religious Wank Week on the internets or something?

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OT: Icon - [info]ladygoddess, 2007-03-09 08:15 pm UTC
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[info]anonyrat
2007-03-08 01:15 am UTC (link)
Faith: Believing, without evidence, that some random person on the internet cares that you think their religion is stupid.

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(no subject) - [info]shaggydogstail, 2007-03-08 03:05 am UTC

[info]llama_treats
2007-03-08 01:17 am UTC (link)
As always, Monty Python for the win.

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[info]squib
2007-03-08 01:19 am UTC (link)
Now I need to remember what comm I saw [info]h3artshap3d_b0x wanking in this week-- I think it was one of the Pagan ones. Who ever s/he is, s/he could stand to drink a cup of STFU.

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[info]amyheartssiroc
2007-03-08 01:20 am UTC (link)
I was waiting for this to show up here.

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[info]aristaea
2007-03-08 01:36 am UTC (link)
[info]witchbabywigg: Yes, it is. It changes nothing. I suggest neutrality and preparation for either outcome.

FAIL!

I'm agnostic and have a love/hate relationship with religion, but I find this argument amusing because several studies in Alzheimer's disease have shown that people who have strong faith in their religion, or people who are very spiritual in general, have a decreased rate of dementia compared to people who do not. [info]________queenie's right: it's all about stress.

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[info]doomsday
2007-03-08 01:40 am UTC (link)
I'd be laughing, except that atheists like that are what cause people to believe I must be pompous, anti-religious, and stupid, and therefore I'd rather kick them and then laugh at them.

You, get off my side, etc. etc., blah blah blah.

Atheism is not a religion. It's like saying 'not collecting coins' is a hobby.

That, however, is great.

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[info]seraphtrevs
2007-03-08 01:43 am UTC (link)
An atheist is just a religious person who switched his religion to believing in No God without evidence, instead of believing in one or more god(s) without evidence.

No. Just...really, really NO.

"Nah, they're usually pretty cool. Except nightninja76. He seems to be a bit of a nutter."

I LOL'D!

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[info]oar
2007-03-08 02:08 am UTC (link)
I was just about to report this! But you missed the best part. The real star of the hour is [info]alluringkailyn, who drops in to tell us that sarcasm is a sin, and that while s/he has never watched the Report, s/he has read about it on teh intarwebs, which is just as good. Furthermore, everyone else is just being closeminded, being a good Catholic means being totally free of sin (HAI I JUST SPOTTED A PROBLEM IN UR CATECHISM THAR), and all objectionable television programming is located on Comedy Central, which, of course, s/he does not watch.

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(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2007-03-08 05:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-03-08 06:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2007-03-08 06:08 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2007-03-08 08:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-03-08 03:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-03-08 05:46 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]snarkivist, 2007-03-08 05:57 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-03-08 07:31 pm UTC
possibly my favorite wank quote ever. - [info]goblin, 2007-03-08 04:46 pm UTC
Re: possibly my favorite wank quote ever. - [info]plazmah, 2007-03-08 05:35 pm UTC

[info]nlb_muffin
2007-03-08 02:31 am UTC (link)
alluringkailyn: I don't need to watch him to know that he's sinful.

Well, who can argue with that?

I hope this person does watch the show on one of the especially gay nights (... which is almost every night).

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[info]elektra3
2007-03-08 02:42 am UTC (link)
"You're young. I used to think the same way. I'm not religious, I wont ever be, but I am agnostic."

Is there a Jurisimprudence law about trying to use your age to prove that your point is valid?

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[info]mistal
2007-03-08 02:53 am UTC (link)
"It's like saying 'not collecting coins' is a hobby."

A very cheap hobbit if you ask me.

And I must add the whole get off my side thingy.

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[info]puipui
2007-03-08 03:09 am UTC (link)
Also, I find it interesting to learn that anyone with a Doctor Who icon somehow becomes [info]drakyndra. This is truly an amazing power. Must the icon have Ten in it, or does this gift of hers still work if it's just something kinda generically Whovian? And what about Torchwood? I must know.

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[info]stella_polaris
2007-03-08 03:32 am UTC (link)
Seriously, nightninja76 is the type that makes all of us atheists look bad. THANKS FOR THAT!

Although there's a lot of stupidity on both sides.

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[info]digigirl132
2007-03-08 03:44 am UTC (link)
therikkster: "Sorry, but an Athiest [sic] doesn't have to switch religion; Athiests [sic] who believe in no god, at all, nada. I'm an Athiest [sic, again] but I was never religious."

You know, I make it a point to take with a grain of salt the words of someone who can't spell their own damn "religion".

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[info]fevered_ego
2007-03-08 03:46 am UTC (link)
I'm sure similar sentiments must have already been expressed, but I get the distinct impression that agnosticism is the bisexuality of religion. Nobody wants to admit they exist, but if they do, it's only through indecisiveness and lack of commitment.

And then I get around to the "relationship with God" portion of the analogy, and everything gets really wrong.

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