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Vigilant E. Rodent, Esq. ([info]vigilanterodent) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-03-29 10:24:00


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Entry tags:fandom: lord of the rings

Quenta Smugarillion
The Silmarillion is The Lord of the Rings' scary older brother, the one which breaks many a prospective Tolkien nerd's dreams of expertise by being a . . . rather difficult read, to put it lightly. Plus, no Orlando Bloom. Its fandom is thus considerably smaller than LOTR’s, but, as the following demonstrates, they can wank with the best of them. Kudos to a mousey on Wank Report for compiling these links ♥

Tragically the initial part of this wank has been baleeted, but mousey informs us that it went like this: "Dawn is a very serious writer and seems to be trying to be the BNF/mother of the fandom. TheBattlingBard is more of a reviewer/flamer who has published a few stories that tend to be on the parody/humor side. They've sniped at one another, but things really came to a head last month when TheBattlingBard announced that she was fed up with the "smug MEFAs," the awards for Tolkien fanfic, and was creating her own to dishonor the worst in the whole Tolkien fandom. Aside from the usual "worst characterization," "worst OC," etc. characters, she included a category for "most smug fanfic writer." On the message board created for her awards (The Pushuruk Awards) on ff.net, much discussion was had over who was the smuggest of them all. The main nominees came out to be DawnFelegund, JunoMagic, and Jael Beruthiel. Sadly, these posts were deleted before I had a chance to save them."

What do the lovely nominees think of all this?

JunoMagic starts us off, with the fourth post down here. Two parts of her response are particularly golden, so I'll quote them here because I love you. Firstly, her acronym for "smug", which I think may give some insight into why she was nominated for the award in the first place:

S for "stories":
I will always try to remember that fan fiction is meant to be about stories, about sharing and enjoying stories based on the works of an author we love and that it is not about humiliating and threatening others. I believe that there is no such thing as a story that can "defile" fandom. And if I don't like a certain kind of story, I'll simply not read it.

M for "mature":
I will always try to behave in a mature way. I will not flame, threaten, belittle or humiliate others. Even if I am involved in a heated discussion, I will remember that sentences like " What I wouldn't do to have 5 minutes alone with that author in a closet with a semi automatic" are absolutely inacceptable. I will always try to behave like a reasonably rational mature person.

U for "understanding":
I will try to understand my fellow fanfic writers. I will respect them no matter what kind of stories they write or read. I will endeavour to give critiques only when they are asked for and I will always try to give polite, thoughtful and constructive criticism.

G for "good time":
I will always try to remember that fan fiction is meant to be fun, a hobby, and that we do it because we want to have a good time together. I will not stand by and watch when fellow fan fiction writers are flamed, threatened or humiliated, because that is no fun and not funny. Not even once.


And then she provides quotations from her posse. Because, after all, it's the first sign of maturity to try to show that you're right because other people say you are.

* "We alll wants that award!" (Rhapsodythebard)

* "(...) smug (...) Smart Multitalented Unconventional Gals" (Appogiato)

* "Darn, I didn't get any nominations!! *tear*" (Tarion Anarore)

* "All hail the High & Mighty Queen of the Junoverse. Eat your hearts out losers, she is and you ain't." (Mike Kellner)

* "Smug (...) means having the wits and guts to stand up to those who trash and threaten others. Thanks for bringing this issue and their nastiness to light. Light always burns away the mildewy types who like to spread the negativity. Let there be light!" (Appogiato)


But where things REALLY take off is when Dawn responds. It's . . . well, it's this post here. It's just . . . seriously, just go read it, you'll see what I'm talking about. She brings up the Milgram experiment (which one, is my question) and bees. There's pretty pictures, too! Here's a choice excerpt to whet your appetites:

I posted a few weeks ago about a real-life example of the Milgram experiment. I don't pretend to be so noble as one willing to interfere in the actual harm or abuse of another person, but having studied Milgram in detail, I do know that having the courage to stand up even when the issue is as "small" as a threat of harm over fan fiction is good practice for standing up when it truly matters. Social conformity is a sad reality for humanity. Without going into great, rambling detail, in one study, people were willing to change their perception of the length of lines--even when their perception was obviously correct--in order to avoid going against the incorrect but prevailing opinion (Asch 1951). Do we see the same thing in online forums? You betcha! You get "cults of personality" centered around individuals like The Battling Bard where her fanminions chirp cheerfully in reply to everything that she says. Do you think that one or two of them might have gotten a slight misgiving at death threats being used in fan fiction. Sure...but when the group says it is okay, then it must be okay, right?

She brings up rape, abuse, etc. etc., too. To wit: it is evil to flame someone else because they may have other issues going on in their lives.

Because they are very mature, someone (a "bored housewife", TheBattlingBard suggests), presumably connected goes and anonflames TheBattlingBard here. Short summary: if you give a bad review, you are a horrible human being.

The stirring conclusion! TheBattlingBard caves in and scraps the award, because "the bickering was getting out of control." Claudi007 says what is probably the single most insightful thing anyone has said in the entire affair: But isn't that what smug people do? Bicker about their relative awesomeness?

Probably dead now, but it's so totally Mean Girls that it had to be shared.

ETA: I missed this part the first time around, but have fun with TheBattlingBard's call for her own minions to go mock Juno.

Plus, multiple abuse reports have been filed against a BattlingBard parody story, apparently. It's one of the last comments down - the main link is the discussion thread for the Pushuruk Awards.

Also, I have just realized this isn't so much Silmarillion fandom as "literary Tolkien" fandom, but I'm lazy so I'm not changing it.



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[info]itsirtou
2007-03-29 05:34 pm UTC (link)
Wait...wait. Wasn't Milgram the deal where a sociologist got test subjects to torture/electroshock someone as an experiment about obedience to authority?

...what in God's name is she quoting it for?

(If I'm wrong about Milgram, correct me, someone?)

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[info]llama_treats
2007-03-29 05:41 pm UTC (link)
No, you're right. But like The Silmarillion, the rest of this wank is giving me a headache.

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[info]viralmemory
2007-03-29 05:56 pm UTC (link)
She might be referencing a similar experiment that gets cited along with Milgram a lot, the one where the college students were grouped into guards and prisoners, by Zimbardo at Stanford University. (Here is the Wiki if anyone is interested.) Both experiments are frightening, but are completely different, and she loses 50 points for not citing the right experiment.

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[info]sunqist
2007-03-29 06:25 pm UTC (link)
I think she's saying she's the one guy in a million who won't torture an anonymous stranger just because she's told to. Which is to say, she's standing up for morality and decency and justice and humanity, and the Battling Bard is the antithesis of all that. For some reason.


...I'm just waiting for her to find this place, you know that's going to be hilarious.

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(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2007-03-29 07:14 pm UTC
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[info]kadath
2007-03-29 05:46 pm UTC (link)
Shorter Dawn: "The Battling Bard is not worth my precious time. Here are 2500 words why."

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[info]pipssister
2007-03-29 05:50 pm UTC (link)
That "smug" acronym is really cute in that "Let me prove your point and unload the machine gun on my foot" way.

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(no subject) - [info]doire, 2007-04-03 03:48 pm UTC

[info]rossywar
2007-03-29 06:08 pm UTC (link)
"(...) smug (...) Smart Multitalented Unconventional Gals"

gals = FAIL

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(no subject) - [info]rossywar, 2007-03-29 06:11 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sunqist, 2007-03-30 05:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zillah975, 2007-03-30 01:40 pm UTC
This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]sashenka, 2007-03-29 06:54 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]isntitironic, 2007-03-29 07:14 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]sashenka, 2007-03-29 07:56 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]einatlanta, 2007-03-29 08:09 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]sashenka, 2007-03-29 08:10 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]doomsday, 2007-03-29 08:31 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]kittenmommy, 2007-03-29 09:18 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-03-30 05:17 am UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]visp, 2007-03-30 06:16 am UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]seraphtrevs, 2007-03-30 05:18 am UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]shadowkitty, 2007-03-30 02:29 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]bigbigtruck, 2007-03-30 04:38 pm UTC
Re: This Something Awful goon, for one. - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-03-30 08:13 pm UTC
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[info]ayezur
2007-03-29 06:11 pm UTC (link)
That's a whole lotta tl;dr right there.

I take pleasure in knowing that even at my worst, I was nothing like her. Also, I will bet you a delicious cookie she shows up here.

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[info]semirecluse
2007-03-29 06:14 pm UTC (link)
[info]dawn_felagund: I was told (and I quote, because I was emailed the comments in the thread): "You take yourself entirely too seriously."

Can't imagine where they got that from! *snerk*

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[info]onaga
2007-03-29 06:30 pm UTC (link)
Smug (...) means having the wits and guts to stand up to those who trash and threaten others.

Appogiato fails at using the dictionary.

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[info]zealot
2007-03-29 06:43 pm UTC (link)
I have a feeling she got her knowledge about the Milgram and Asch experiments from a blurb in Reader's Digest.

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[info]thesilentsenshi
2007-03-29 06:47 pm UTC (link)
AHAHAHA! And I sometimes wonder why I left the fandom! XD

I've been out of the fandom so long I don't even recognize those authors, at least.

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[info]rotten_fish
2007-03-29 06:58 pm UTC (link)
That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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[info]ara
2007-03-29 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Looks like SOMEONE needs to stop debating on online forums and get back to studying for their AP psychology test.

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[info]solar_type_star
2007-03-29 07:52 pm UTC (link)
You win a pair of boobies for the title of this post.

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(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-03-29 08:01 pm UTC

[info]darth_snuggles
2007-03-29 07:55 pm UTC (link)
Oh man, I am totally on board with JunoMagic's way of thinking. I can now take any insult and turn it into something beautiful!

A for "awesome":
I am awesome. I know, because my flist told me so.

S for "super-duper":
I am super-duper and my mere presence warms the hearts of little children everywhere.

S for "sex0r":
I am a hot momma.

H for "hello":
I say "hello" to people. This makes me a good person.

A for "awesome again":
I'm so awesome you don't even know. I'm awesome squared.

T for "turtles, ninja":
I watched that movie the other day. In conclusion, I am way cooler than you.

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[info]doomsday
2007-03-29 08:16 pm UTC (link)
I believe that there is no such thing as a story that can "defile" fandom.

"Celebrian." That is all. D:

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(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-03-29 08:18 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]grand_sealink, 2007-03-30 06:43 am UTC
Reposted, this time with a link that has the entire thing. - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-03-29 08:52 pm UTC
Re: Reposted, this time with a link that has the entire thing. - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-03-30 07:53 am UTC
lavender?! - [info]littlest_lurker, 2007-03-30 09:51 am UTC
Re: Reposted, this time with a link that has the entire thing. - [info]fionnabhair, 2007-03-31 06:16 pm UTC
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I know one thing... - [info]wanktasticbus, 2007-03-29 09:29 pm UTC
Re: I know one thing... - pastri_archy, 2007-03-29 09:32 pm UTC
Re: I know one thing... - [info]wankaholic, 2007-03-30 06:05 am UTC
Re: I know one thing... - [info]priestesspadfoo, 2007-03-30 06:42 pm UTC
Re: I know one thing... - pastri_archy, 2007-03-30 09:26 pm UTC
Re: I know one thing... - [info]priestesspadfoo, 2007-03-31 06:24 am UTC
Re: I know one thing... - [info]ayezur, 2007-03-31 09:04 am UTC
Re: I know one thing... - [info]priestesspadfoo, 2007-03-31 09:37 am UTC
Re: I know one thing... - pastri_archy, 2007-03-30 09:28 pm UTC
Re: I know one thing... - [info]usagivindaloo, 2007-03-30 06:08 pm UTC
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[info]adinaj69
2007-03-29 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Haven't read the wank yet, but... I've always thought the Silmarillion was an easier read than LotR.

LOTR: Half of this book describes scenery. Look at this mountain for an entire chapter! Look at this tree for another chapter!

SILM: DEATH, ANGST, DEATH, BACKSTORY, DEATH.

... maybe I just like violence?

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[info]castellated
2007-03-29 09:33 pm UTC (link)
I liked this particularly (from her LJ):
Even to this day, I make a nuisance of myself in certain factions, knocking down everything from urban legends to bigotry.

So she's personally saved the world, single-handed, several times? Color me impressed.

*from a geek who loves the Silmarillion but isn't into the fandom at all, so no Dwarven ax to grind*

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[info]wankaholic
2007-03-30 06:06 am UTC (link)
Silmarillion wank! Yay! :D

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[info]lady_earwig
2007-03-30 10:47 am UTC (link)
Meh. Bring back P@L. Now she knew how to wank.

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[info]singe
2007-03-30 05:18 pm UTC (link)
I used to think elves were dull, too, until I read the Sil story of the son of a Dark Elf who tried to kidnap his hawt first cousin and wound up being tossed down a cliff for his trouble. Even better, the story made a special point of pointing out that he bounced three times off random outcroppings before he hit the bottom. Ooh. Ouchie.

Now it's just the Men that bore me to death. Ya'll can have the upcoming 'Hurin' thingie.

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[info]lady_earwig
2007-03-30 09:29 pm UTC (link)
Randomly I just noticed this on Battling Bard's Forums which I thought was mildly amusing. She tries to organise a posse to go down and swamp the Open Scrolls archive with flames after they ban her for a particularly sarcastic review and then flails about for several posts failing to log in as her sock acounts clearly clueless to the concept of IP banning.

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[info]stella_polaris
2007-03-31 01:31 am UTC (link)
It bothers me that Silmarillion sounds like Silmärilli to me :(

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eviemouse
2007-03-31 10:20 pm UTC (link)
It's strange for a change to recognise the names of most involved parties in a wank, although they are mostly Elf-fanciers and therefore not in my fandom corner. Damn, Tolkien fandom, you are far too quiet nowadays!

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