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Milkshake Butterfly ([info]m_butterfly) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-03-31 02:07:00


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Entry tags:barista, fandom: stargate, racism

The more you know....
Do you remember the Barista, please!() wank, wherein we learned the terrible trials and travails of brown people in SGA fandom AUs, and the original commenter was sorry, but the main banner waver that she tagged-in so she wouldn't have to soil her hands.... Well, that guy has issues in general. (Sambo? Really?)

More importantly, do you remember the extensive post on this topic by [info]liviapenn, which probably had several good points that got totally buried when it devolved into a discussion about racist portrayals of Characters of Color as kitties?

Good. We're relatively caught up now. On with part two, because the whole damn fandom has fallen into this fountaining explosion of splooge, and they've started seriously flinging it into each other's eyes now.

You've got your countless discussions and debates. Was it rude? Are Ronon and Teyla aliens? (Wait, what?) Why should the writer's discomfort matter? Wait, isn't this actually about class? (Apparently not.) And so on and so forth. Metafandom has become almost entirely lost to debates about the justification for pulling white people over on the information superhighway.

But in amidst all the "No, you're racist," "No, you're overreacting," "No, you're missing the point," and "No, you are" arguments and counter-arguments, something really special is going down, because [info]permetaform has decided that all these other discussions just aren't hard-core enough for her feelings on this topic. It's time for her to show just how much she despises "the other side" in this whole affair: by defriending and shutting out of her life anyone who might have been involved with the side she disagrees with about this.

No, really. Anyone. The deleted comment in its entirety? "LOL Agreed! :D" Nor is this the only case of probable overkill; the comments are chock-full of bewildered people wondering what the hell they did that was so bad.

In fact, not only is she defriending for people making humorous replies to anything involved in the matter, she's also defriending people for doing... absolutely nothing, as far as I can tell. [info]ltlj--that LTLJ--certainly doesn't have the slightest clue what she did, and permetaform's reply appears to indicate she just didn't hear LTLJ agonizing about her supposed faults loudly enough in public. This might be because even [info]coniraya--remember him?--thinks she handles race well in her writing. Naturally, this produces results, if possibly not the intended ones: LTLJ makes a post bitching permetaform out from head to toe, and then deletes her LJ, disgusted with the world in general.

How does permetaform feel about this? Well, in an ETA, she tells us:

I've just come back from doing errands and [info]ltlj's recent post was pointed out to me.

And what I'm actually feeling right now is a great huge ball of relief. Because when I first saw [info]ltlj's name come up as associated with this mess I felt a great sense of betrayal because I'd greated respected and admired her. Finding this out was on the tail of looking at comments from people I'd respected before and just...feeling all kinds of upset and astonishment.

So yes, I jumped to conclusions. So yes, I was considerably more angry than I should have been. And yes, I should have followed up on the names as I have done with the other names instead of immediately reacted the way I had.

I sincerely apologize to [info]ltlj for finding ill in her when there was none. I apologize for not following up and double-checking her own words before defriending. I apologize for the tone in my own comment.

I don't apologize for calling her a racist because in my post I called both everyone and no one a racist, because I believe that everybody has elements of racism in themselves to a degree. I do not level "that obscene hateful accusation" because I don't think it's useful in discussions of prejudice.

And frankly, thank you for your ranty post. It makes me very relieved to have misjudged you because it makes me very relieved that I can keep my respect for you.
This, of course, is the original edit: she's edited the post about three times since, and will probably edit more. And thus the entire, wanky saga boils down to this: one woman apparently deciding it was all an after-school special style lesson to teach her about how it's okay to have faith in things, but you still shouldn't feel shy about declaring people to be racist.

Don't we all feel like we've learned something important, now?


Note: I have [info]ltlj's post and several different edits of [info]permetaform's post saved, and can upload and link upon request. And at the rate permetaform is changing what she's saying, by tomorrow she may be trying to insist all she was talking about was the goodness of fluffy bunnies, so keep your own save button handy.



ETA: Various edits of permetaform's post and a saved copy of LTLJ's post are here.

On the 4th, permetaform made a new post about this. A sample:

"I realized I was being Triggered during the events of the past post, Triggering being reacting to a present situation as if the person in the present is instead the person who've given one trauma in the past."

And from the mouths of experienced wank-watchers, a groan goes up....



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[info]sepiamagpie
2007-03-31 08:47 am UTC (link)
...which side did she delete? She's a babbler.

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(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2007-03-31 08:50 am UTC
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[info]misachan
2007-03-31 08:51 am UTC (link)
Wow. I think I need a flowchart for this wank.

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(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2007-03-31 08:56 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2007-03-31 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sidewinder, 2007-04-01 04:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - tintin, 2007-03-31 06:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosalita, 2007-03-31 07:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melyanna, 2007-03-31 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2007-03-31 03:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-03-31 04:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-03-31 06:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2007-03-31 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-03-31 10:01 pm UTC
tl;dr - [info]bitch_ass_hoe, 2007-03-31 10:13 pm UTC
Re: tl;dr - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-04-01 09:07 pm UTC

[info]ichigatsu
2007-03-31 08:55 am UTC (link)
It restored my respect for her, and I don't feel so betrayed anymore.

Well, hurrah for you, [info]permetaform.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-03-31 05:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brown_betty, 2007-04-02 10:27 pm UTC

[info]chikane
2007-03-31 09:11 am UTC (link)
What's going on? It's all crazy o.O

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(no subject) - [info]goblin, 2007-03-31 09:14 am UTC

[info]loraineee
2007-03-31 09:12 am UTC (link)
This fandom really likes to type. Lots and lots of sentences! I'm sure there's salient points in there somewhere about characters I know nothing about but tl:dr abounds.

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(no subject) - [info]lukita, 2007-03-31 11:09 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-04-01 02:41 am UTC

[info]goblin
2007-03-31 09:18 am UTC (link)
Permetaform just can't backpedal fast enough, can she?

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(no subject) - [info]cookie_love, 2007-03-31 03:35 pm UTC
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[info]squeakytoy
2007-03-31 09:35 am UTC (link)
You'd think SGA fandom had enough to get wanky about, what with happenings in S3, changes in S4, Joe Mallozzi's blog, and the recent Vancouver convention, but nooooooo. A new wank must rise!

Dear Wanklantis Atlantis fandom,

Can we stop with the spooging, pls? I mean, it's making us all look like nutters. All I want is to play with the pretty.

Don't you want to play with the pretty, too?

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(no subject) - [info]squeakytoy, 2007-03-31 09:41 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2007-03-31 08:05 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2007-03-31 03:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]squeakytoy, 2007-03-31 10:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iamtheenemy, 2007-03-31 06:24 pm UTC
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[info]mmanurere
2007-03-31 09:40 am UTC (link)
I'm having a hard time sorting out the "btch, plz" from the "get off my side!" in this wank.

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[info]omega
2007-03-31 09:46 am UTC (link)
Holy shit.

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[info]mochibuni
2007-03-31 09:54 am UTC (link)
I- WHAT?

I have been prepping for Harry Potter batshittery, not this. I can't take this all in, especially after reading about being offended over cats.

And here I thought nobody would want the cats to explode back in llama_treats report. *sob*

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-03-31 01:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-03-31 11:50 pm UTC

[info]xero_sky
2007-03-31 10:05 am UTC (link)
Don't we all feel like we've learned something important, now?

Yes. I've learned that there is no RL issue so important that fandom can't transform into a gibbering, self-important freakshow over it.

Oh, wait... sorry, I already knew that one.

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[info]white_serpent
2007-03-31 10:25 am UTC (link)
Wow. ...And here I thought this show was shallow.

But, no. Move over, Sopranos.

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(no subject) - [info]squib, 2007-03-31 10:28 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2007-03-31 08:06 pm UTC

[info]squib
2007-03-31 10:27 am UTC (link)
Not touching the racewank with a 40' pole.

But what's with all these people in Permetowhatever's journal who carry switchblades in their pocket? I'm inclined to think that's not quite the word they're looking for, because I'm pretty sure they're illegal everywhere-- particularly LA.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-03-31 01:15 pm UTC
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[info]tez
2007-03-31 10:29 am UTC (link)
I would blame my total lack of comprehension of these courses of action on the late hour and lack of sleep...except I don't think it'd make any more sense if I was wide awake and it was high noon.

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(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-03-31 12:34 pm UTC

[info]onyxnoir
2007-03-31 10:53 am UTC (link)
...I'm in LA. They're sorta free spirited about concealed weaponry. ::wry::


Umm...what?

Does she live in the same city I do? Because I'd really like to be able to wear my hair stiletto outside of ren faire.

Why yes, I do own a hair knife. :D

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[info]eilan
2007-03-31 11:06 am UTC (link)
I'd certainly like to read ltlj's post now. If that's possible.

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[info]joye
2007-03-31 11:29 am UTC (link)
My favorite bit: The answer is knives!

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[info]fevered_ego
2007-03-31 11:56 am UTC (link)
This lunatic needs to put up an advisory notice that says something like

WARNING: The following wank contains a block of text so high and wide it could be used to keep spooky blue-eyed snow monsters from invading the civilized world.

Just saying.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-03-31 04:03 pm UTC
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[info]cjk
2007-03-31 12:31 pm UTC (link)
Urgh. Just... urgh. The happy died today.

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[info]brick_me
2007-03-31 01:00 pm UTC (link)
ltlj--that LTLJ

What LTLJ?

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[info]lady7jane
2007-03-31 01:14 pm UTC (link)
Wow! Stargate and racism! Looks like Christmas came early this year! ...Wait a minute. I hate these things! And you're not Santa! You're a goddamn butterfly! What's going on here?!

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[info]napalmnacey
2007-03-31 01:18 pm UTC (link)
They just keep *going*... they don't stop... it's like a rolling snowball of wanky doom!

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[info]llama_treats
2007-03-31 01:41 pm UTC (link)
If someone was trying to sell some traced pictures of Jason Momoa in an apron, this wank could be perfect.

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[info]alina_kalime
2007-03-31 01:56 pm UTC (link)
Oh, we're silly Atlanteans. We love our overkill, both in canon and in fanon. Everything is better with a nuclear weapon-sized response.

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[info]coffee_mug
2007-03-31 02:39 pm UTC (link)
Let me rewrite my note to self..

Note to self: never write SGA AU's.

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(no subject) - [info]coffee_mug, 2007-03-31 02:40 pm UTC



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