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Spiletta42 ([info]spiletta42) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-04-10 22:27:00


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Entry tags:oppression, religion

Voyager Fandom Angry But Distracted
I have opinions on this, but my opinions aren't terribly funny, so I'll skip sharing them here.

On Easter Sunday, Venom69 posted some Janeway/Chakotay fanfic set in a Catholic church, featuring some non-church-approved use of a confessional. At first people seemed delighted to have some fresh porn so that they could get in a little reading before church.

The not work safe fic: http://loveandwar-tv.tripod.com/id280.html

But then a reader took offense.

Said statement of offense cannot be linked to, because it's a closed board. They claim to have only one rule, and that is "What happens on VAMB stays on VAMB." It's like the secret police of fandom, or Vegas, or something. But I don't care if I'm banned, so I'll quote a bit of it:

Yes, it is a matter of drawing the line somewhere, but the thing is, those of us who don't agree with this type of story have recently been "encouraged" not to voice our opinions, for fear of being called all kinds of names. I know several people in the fandom who would think this story was, in one way or another, disgusting. But to post our opinion? No, that would result in our being disregarded as closeminded, prejudiced, etc. at the very least. Banning or deleting our comments is certainly within reach as well. After all, we're against free speech, right?

Isn't it ironic that those who don't agree with a concept don't feel free to say so, in this supposedly openminded community? -- from http://www.voyagerangel.com/vamb

Board regulars equate being offended with book burning, so naturally took the complaint well. Cursing, namecalling, screaming that porn is sacred to those who value free speech, claims that complaining about porn somehow violates porn's right to exist, and of course the mandatory invoking of the Holocaust analogy ensued. One poster tried to patiently explain that people who were offended were stupid to be offended, because God is only make-believe after all, and only stupid people would practice religion, so they should give up their faith and embrace [bad] porn. The thread spanned fourteen pages and spilled over onto LiveJournal.

The LJ "discussion" (warning for foul language and politically incorrect insults):

The "religion is for stupid people" angle: http://venom69.livejournal.com/294543.html

The counterpoint, complete with a troll: http://kabutar.livejournal.com/370400.html

Once everyone initially offended bolted for the hills, those left standing posted two more pages worth of group hug posts to prove that they were nice people after all. Now they're making a list of all the reasons they love each other. Well, if they can be kept on task, because those suggestive custom smilies with the big tongues and the bull whips are rather distracting.




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[info]damnedfallacy
2007-04-11 04:42 am UTC (link)
Um, I'm a little n00b short and stout and all that, but doesn't rule 6 deal with not linking locked material?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-11 04:46 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 04:44 am UTC (link)
KURFUFFLE!!!!!

YEAH!

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[info]oar
2007-04-11 04:45 am UTC (link)
Aww, Voyager wank! I used to love that show. Granted, I was like twelve at the time, so my standards were significantly lower, but still.

Doc/7 is still the best ship there is. She's a socially maladjusted cyborg! He's made of photons! Together, they fight crime have hot sex fight crime and have hot sex! I would watch that show.

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(no subject) - [info]spiletta42, 2007-04-11 04:56 am UTC
Please state your medical emergency. - (Anonymous), 2007-04-11 02:15 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]miraba, 2007-04-12 04:56 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 04:54 am UTC (link)
Up to 16 pages now, with ANOTHER thread somewhere where a love fest is going on.

Also, OMG! Will some one please smack Naazia and a few others to see if their stupid will fly away? Please? I mean, what happened to Naazia's vow to "walk away" from the thread? Didn't she say she was doing that on like, page 12, but she Just. Keeps. Coming. Back.

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(no subject) - [info]spiletta42, 2007-04-11 04:57 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 04:58 am UTC (link)
The author finally jumped up, too.

After... what? 12 pages? o.0

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[info]thecheese
2007-04-11 05:00 am UTC (link)
Boy, that venom69 is quite a special snowflake. That's a whole lot of open-minded, tolerant genius being spewed there and as usual, the irony; it burns!

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(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2007-04-11 04:49 pm UTC

[info]spiletta42
2007-04-11 05:03 am UTC (link)
And as the initial thread gallops onto page 17, Elizabeth Weir is suddenly involved, apparently as Janeway's lover. I may be losing interest in this.

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[info]joye
2007-04-11 05:09 am UTC (link)
Oh MAN do I want to wank on this one.
My boyfriend is RL friends with [info]kabutar (although he's not involved in Voyager fandom or this wank). So I thought it was funny how people thought she was Christian. Since I'm a Christian I know how tiresome the kneejerk "But your religion says you should FORGIVE and NOT JUDGE" response can be.
It reminds me of something I heard on talk radio. It was about the piece of the wreckage of the WTC towers that formed the shape of a cross, and whether it should be included in the memorial. The host was on the phone with a representive from American Atheists.
Host: I don't understand how this hurts anyone. A lot of people involved in this tragedy found this piece of metal very comforting and important. How does including it establish religion?
Guest: Why do you Christians always have to insert your symbols into everything? With your history of oppression--
Host: Wait-I'm not a Christian.
Guest: You're not? What are you?
Host: I'm Jewish.
Guest: (long awkward pause)
Guest: It's just offensive!

I LOL'd.

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 05:26 am UTC (link)
If you're so unhappy with the way the group run, why do you remain a member? If I wasn't in a place that I didn't enjoy and felt that I would be banned for having an opinion, why would I want to be amongst that community. It almost sounds like you enjoy being surrounded by controversy and might be the type person that would encourage it to glorify yourself.

The author wrote something, people took offense, lots of posts later and it was resolved to a certain degree. The main people that were offended and the author made peace. Problem solved.

I guess some people have nothing better to do than stir up shit by posting about a resolved problem here.

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[info]sashenka
2007-04-11 05:36 am UTC (link)
Aww, Voyager's still wanky as hell. How cute.

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-04-11 05:45 am UTC

[info]seraphtrevs
2007-04-11 05:45 am UTC (link)

Besides, last time I checked, the 'free speech' flag led to the holocaust.


...what? How? What?

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 05:49 am UTC (link)
It seems to me you enjoy hurting other people. It's a shame that this particular fic got picked on due to religious rights. What happened to the ones that have rape and drugs and Slash? If it's okay to write about that in fanfic, then why isn't it right to write about God, Buddha, and Zeus?

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 06:09 am UTC (link)
*Le sigh*

Come on, world! Catholics are silly, and that is what makes us totally awesome! Stop messing up our image! If you do, then all those ridiculous hats will have been worn for naught! NAUGHT, I say!

Oh, Catholocism... I'd tell you to nevar change, but, well... you probably won't, so... sail on, silver girl.

IntelliMouse

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[info]jim_smith
2007-04-11 06:14 am UTC (link)
This is possibly the stupidest idea for a fanfic I've ever seen, and that includes the Smallville fic that portrayed Clark Kent as gay Jesus Christ.

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[info]jira
2007-04-11 06:26 am UTC (link)
Is kabutar both talking nice with the troll and bitching at her?

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 07:01 am UTC (link)
Does it say something about me that I'm more offended by J/C than I am about the whole confessional thing? Being a lapsed Catholic with a military background sure provides some weird senses of proportion sometimes.

thespie, still waiting for his JF account to get approved

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[info]evanwaters
2007-04-11 08:35 am UTC (link)
You know, you think you've instinctively come to terms with the fact that anything and everything, especially porn, exists on the Internet somewhere.

And then you read "Janeway/Chakotay slash set in a church confession booth" and you realize you still don't get it.

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[info]funwithrage
2007-04-11 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Good Lord, hasn't *anyone* mentioned Detroit Rock City yet?

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[info]stella_polaris
2007-04-11 03:22 pm UTC (link)
What's with the asinine anons today?

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-11 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Oh K

This makes me giggle. I read Venom 69's Stargate fic way back when, so when I realized it was her Voyager fic... Anyone who has read her stuff before couldn't have possibly been shocked. Damn n00bs

XD

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-12 01:55 am UTC

[info]sadisticferret
2007-04-11 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Damn, this makes me wish that all of the J/7 message boards weren't locked. We have some crazy-ass wankers in this corner of fandom, let me tell you I'm totally one of them and if we weren't so damn obsessed with hiding it we could be a regular feature on f_w. The janewayseven.com board alone would probably have Sep condemning us to the cornfield within a week.

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[info]_morrigan_
2007-04-11 06:12 pm UTC (link)
Ah, ST: Voyager. I was an obsessive J/C shipper back in the day - before the final episode not only broke my heart, but pretty much killed my love of all things Trek all together.

Seeing J/C wank here makes me smile - though come to think about it, there was a lot of wanky stuff in J/C fandom back in the day (the overreaction to the news that Q would be trying to get Janeway to have is baby in Q and the Grey comes to mind).

/nostalgic rambling.

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2007-04-12 10:22 am UTC
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[info]frequentmouse
2007-04-11 07:03 pm UTC (link)
And, because I haven't made a top comment anywhere on JF for days now, I will say: I stopped watching Voyager when Seska died. She was the best ST badguy, ever, making Khan look like a girly man, and her death pretty much put paid to any dramatic complexity in the series.

I blame Brandon.

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[info]brick_me
2007-04-11 08:52 pm UTC (link)
Chakotay/Paris was one of my first slash parings.

Yeah, I just wanted to share that. Hot.

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[info]caito
2007-04-12 02:09 am UTC (link)
Oh, dear. There was a troll in kabutar's post, and it wasn't me! WOE, WOE IS ME.

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