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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-04-13 14:38:00


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Entry tags:fandom: csi, high school girls, person: laura hale

CSI Fan History: "she has used her BNF influence to conrtibute to several charitable originizations"
ETA: Report has been edited to reflect Anons who claim they're Velocity's friends and responsible for the edits to the wiki, not Velocity. So, consider Velocity cleared. But I'm not about to go figure out which anon friend is responsible for which edit.

Thanks to the [info]lol_meme and [info]wank_report for the tip.

Michela Ecks/Laura runs the wiki FanHistory.com. There's a page for CSI Fandom about the ship Grissom/Sara and there is wank there, much of it in the recent history page.

As far as I can make out (because there is a tl;dr chatlog I scanned), a bunch of CSI fans were having a chat about fandom in their regular room. Michela made negative comments about the ship's PWPs, and the rest of the fans disagreed with her. Disagreement quickly became fighting.

This snippet is indicative of the whole. h20 equals water is Michela.

velocity bug: as long as they aren't doing something that's just really offensive and unholy?
h2o equals water: No, it isn't all opinion based.
BRATZULA: ive read some great character fics
.....
velocity bug:what's wrong with a drabble, or a slip of a sex scene
BRATZULA: but pwp fics are just as good
h2o equals water: Sorry chica, it ain't.
Then they got into a fight over rumours about the next season.

velocity bug: Will there be a Season Eight of CSI?

Yeah, as far as I know, everybody will be back.

h2o equals water: TRUFAX! I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I READ ON LOL_MEME.
...
velocity bug: Not exactly a clear statement on a contract
....
BRATZULA: the writers will be back
velocity bug: as far as I know isn't quite a definitive statement
...
viggygirl: once there's a published press release then we can say she's back... until then I remain uncertain
...
h2o equals water: Actually doll face, I haven't seen any credible sources confirming that rumor
So, they all got into a big fight and Velocitybug told Michela to leave.

On April 13, Michela added a new section to the Sara/Grissom page about the chat mod: velocity bug/velocityofsound:

Velocity of Sound
Some event connected to YourTaxDollarsAtWork caused the Sara/Grissom shipper velocityofsound to remove all her fan fiction from FanFiction.Net.

velocityofsound can be a polarizing figure in the Grissom/Sara ship. If you don't like her, don't praise her and her friends fic, don't agree with her opinions, she will freeze you out. She does this on bestkeptprivate by banning people who give critical feedback, and by creating new chat rooms if chatters in the weekly chat get on her nerves. She doesn't inform people that she is doing that. They are left to figure it out. It adds to the level of cliquishness in Grissom/Sara ship.
Velocity of Sound's friends apparently retaliated almost immediately:

Velocity of Sound
Velocity of sound is a pretty damn awesome person. Despite her many efforts, a lot of fandom has gone FUBAR, and she has gotten sick of dealing with it. This leads a lot of people to call her a cold, heartless bitch, but beaneath her rough and gruff exterior, beats the heart of a true and kind shipper.
Michela reverted this edit. So, Velocity of Sound's friends re-edit, this time with her whole curriculum vitae:

A lot of people have a problem with VelocityofSound. This comes as no surprise, since she is the head of several communities and also a BNF. Most people don't understand that acting as a mod means protecting the intrest of the majority, and that intrest sometimes causes minorities to be cut out of the loop. She is also wrongly blamed for many things such as trolling, which are, in fact, carried out by independant parties. She has never been linked to a trolling ring or had a sock journal.

Velocity does a lot of good for fandom. In addition to trying to control it when it seems to have gone FUBAR on several occasions, she has used her BNF influence to conrtibute to several charitable originizations, and has enriched the lives of many people.

When you find yourself on her bad side, ask yourself: what have I done? Because most likely, it is something YOU have done.
Michela reverts it again. Velocity's friends revert it to their version. Etc. Etc. At last, Michela bans the friends and puts up a new version.

A lot of people have a problem with VelocityofSound. She is a polarizing figure in this ship. In the past, when people have disagreed with her, VelocityofSound and her friends, which include sarah_christ, have trolled people's LiveJournals and attack them in bestkeptprivate's chat, posting streams of pictures and homophobic comments. VelocityofSound has also been known to use sockpuppets to engage in trolling on AIM and LiveJournal. To further fan the flames, she has posted to her LiveJournal several times in the past two years encouraging people to attack those who disagree with her. [4] Topics that she has attacked people over include spoilers, contract issues regarding CSI cast members, the attractiveness of Gil Grissom, characterization and fan fiction quality.
That [4] leads to the chat log that started it off. Velocity's latest reactions can be seen in the chat log (scroll to the bottom). She calls Michela a troll, and says she'll just ignore her. Her friends have come up with an original comparison for their experience.

BRATZULA: fanom is highschool
viggygirl: YES!
BRATZULA: fandom*
viggygirl: it is
BRATZULA: and websites are the bathroom stalls
BRATZULA: for realz
viggygirl: except, I don't think my HS had this much drama, lol



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[info]marysrose
2007-04-13 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Most people don't understand that acting as a mod means protecting the intrest of the majority, and that intrest sometimes causes minorities to be cut out of the loop
i'm pretty sure acting as a mod means preventing flaming and keeping the peace. or should i say "piece," because that's what my brain wanted me to type after reading her EXCELLENT spelling. LULZ

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-04-14 12:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-04-14 02:22 pm UTC

[info]melyanna
2007-04-13 11:01 pm UTC (link)
A lot of people have a problem with VelocityofSound. This comes as no surprise, since she is the head of several communities and also a BNF. Most people don't understand that acting as a mod means protecting the intrest of the majority, and that intrest sometimes causes minorities to be cut out of the loop. She is also wrongly blamed for many things such as trolling, which are, in fact, carried out by independant parties. She has never been linked to a trolling ring or had a sock journal.

Ask yourself: why can't wannabe BNFs spell? Or is that MY fault for expecting too much of them?

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(no subject) - [info]darsynia, 2007-04-13 11:22 pm UTC

[info]darth_wanker
2007-04-13 11:09 pm UTC (link)
When you find yourself on her bad side, ask yourself: what have I done? Because most likely, it is something YOU have done.

I wonder what it's like to be a fandom martyr like VoS here.

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(no subject) - [info]narcissam, 2007-04-13 11:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-04-14 08:31 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-17 02:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]airawyn, 2007-04-14 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-04-14 07:07 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 11:14 pm UTC (link)
Can you declare YOURSELF a BNF? I thought that was a distinction given to you by others. It just sounds ... jackassy, like this creep I know who refers to himself as a hipster.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-13 11:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darthsemicolon, 2007-04-15 04:49 am UTC

[info]darsynia
2007-04-13 11:21 pm UTC (link)
You know, I have been in the CSI (and more particularly, the geeklove) fandom since season three of CSI, and I've watched the show since the beginning. I was heavy into the fanfic (ssergit on ff.net, scheherezade at YTDaW--which is getting a domain change, and I really am starting to wonder if that was because of this mess) and I've never heard of this person.

BNF my ass. Isn't that term supposed to mean that anyone who spends a modicum of time in the fandom in question would be able to recognize who that is? I think someone's a little early with the title for this dramaqueen.

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(no subject) - [info]urpletastic, 2007-04-14 09:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2007-04-16 05:17 pm UTC

[info]rotten_fish
2007-04-13 11:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh dear lord. I just don't know what to make of Michela anymore.

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(no subject) - [info]missdaisy, 2007-04-14 12:02 am UTC
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[info]sunqist
2007-04-13 11:34 pm UTC (link)
Hang on, Laura Hale's real name is Michela Ecks? I don't understand, is that a character from one of her fandoms, or did she just make up a completely different boring name?

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(no subject) - [info]narcissam, 2007-04-13 11:39 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]magnolia_mama, 2007-04-14 04:58 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 11:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]highwindpav, 2007-04-15 05:29 pm UTC

[info]lottelita
2007-04-13 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Well, at least Michaela's not even pretending that FanHistory is anything but her personal grudgewank forum anymore. Be out and proud, baby!

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(no subject) - [info]urpletastic, 2007-04-14 09:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sunhawk, 2007-04-14 09:28 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Does Snacky's law extend to "fandom-is-high school" metaphors? There should be a corralary of some kind, if there isn't already. -checks-

And maybe it's because I went to a really small school, but I don't remember anyone ever actually writing on the bathroom stalls.
At least, not in the girl's bathroom. I remember once the boys got in trouble for knocking down stall doors which made me wonder why they were in such a hurry to get the doors open.

-Lin

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[info]evanwaters
2007-04-13 11:38 pm UTC (link)
This is like the fandom version of the Chuck Norris meme.

"VelocityofSound can kill with a touch."

"VelocityofSound is responsible for the honeybee blight in America and Europe."

"When VelocityofSound testifies in court she has to swear on the Necronomicon."

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-13 11:44 pm UTC
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[info]sunhawk
2007-04-13 11:42 pm UTC (link)
See, Michela Ecks I've heard of but Velocity of Sound? Not so much. Some BNF status she's got there. Thank god my CSI shipping groups don't pull this sort of crap, yeeks.

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[info]lady_earwig
2007-04-13 11:45 pm UTC (link)
What in the name of satan is FUBAR? Am I so out of the loop I don't know? It sounds like FURBAR to me, which surely should get a "No Furbashing" warning.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-13 11:47 pm UTC
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[info]herongale
2007-04-14 12:01 am UTC (link)
Way to protect the integrity of one's lifelong endeavor, Michela. D:

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-04-14 12:14 am UTC
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[info]hearsawho
2007-04-14 12:06 am UTC (link)
Icon. That's... really all I can say here.

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[info]kahrohseh
2007-04-14 12:12 am UTC (link)
She has never been linked to a trolling ring

Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Trolling Party?

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[info]limyaael
2007-04-14 12:12 am UTC (link)
Why would you WANT to call yourself a BNF? Even if you get labeled with the name, I thought it was something most (sane) people tried to avoid using of themselves if at all possible.

In addition to trying to control it when it seems to have gone FUBAR on several occasions,

Because, of course, appointing oneself Dictator of Fandom goes down SO WELL even when canon creators try it.

she has used her BNF influence to conrtibute to several charitable originizations,

Wow. And to think I thought it was normal for people to do that by their own damn selves.

and has enriched the lives of many people.

One wonders what with.

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(no subject) - [info]missdaisy, 2007-04-14 04:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]onaga, 2007-04-14 06:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-04-14 08:38 am UTC
Bit of a side question, but
[info]lasultrix
2007-04-14 12:18 am UTC (link)
A friend of mine tried to get me into CSI the other day by showing me lots of episodes and Grissom and Sarah were hardly ever in the same room. I asked her to confirm that they were the main ship and she said yes, by miles, and no, they never did get round to spending much time in the same room.

? Where has the huge ship come from?

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Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]xero_sky, 2007-04-14 12:46 am UTC
Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]lasultrix, 2007-04-14 12:52 am UTC
Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-04-14 01:01 am UTC
Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]lasultrix, 2007-04-14 01:03 am UTC
Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]white_serpent, 2007-04-14 01:13 am UTC
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Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]squib, 2007-04-14 03:16 am UTC
Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]hallidae, 2007-04-14 03:36 am UTC
Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]squib, 2007-04-14 03:53 am UTC
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Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]kelmendi, 2007-04-16 12:55 am UTC
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Re: Bit of a side question, but - magpiggles, 2007-04-14 01:21 am UTC
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Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]xero_sky, 2007-04-14 08:12 am UTC
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Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]antigone, 2007-04-14 07:57 am UTC
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Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]julesnoctambule, 2007-04-14 11:36 pm UTC
Re: Bit of a side question, but - [info]highwindpav, 2007-04-15 05:56 pm UTC

[info]tez
2007-04-14 12:19 am UTC (link)
The icon says it all.

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[info]julesnoctambule
2007-04-14 12:59 am UTC (link)
{*is glad she sticks to shipping Greg/geekiness*}

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[info]seraphtrevs
2007-04-14 01:32 am UTC (link)
This leads a lot of people to call her a cold, heartless bitch, but beaneath her rough and gruff exterior, beats the heart of a true and kind shipper.

The way she phrases that makes it sound like mean girls can't be true shippers.

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[info]southernbangel
2007-04-14 02:07 am UTC (link)
So. . . I guess Michaela is done pretending that FanHistory.com is a neutral detailing of fandom? Gotcha.

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[info]sol
2007-04-14 02:51 am UTC (link)
I...really can't tell who the hell is being wankier. The first one with her own wiki and grudges, or the second one with her BNF-complex. What I do know is that they both need to be hit with the STFUhammer. Like now.

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(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-04-14 03:09 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-04-15 06:35 pm UTC
Was a chat participant
(Anonymous)
2007-04-14 03:02 am UTC (link)
I was in that chat room and I'm 100% positive that princessklutz04 mentioned in the snippet of the chatlog is under 18. Her myspace lists her age as 17.

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Re: Was a chat participant - [info]luthe, 2007-04-14 08:45 am UTC

[info]sepiamagpie
2007-04-14 03:10 am UTC (link)
I looked at myself on fanhistory.

Why... why is everything on me in past tense?

I'm sort of afraid I'm dead right now.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2007-04-14 03:14 am UTC (link)
Oh right. Haha! Shippers!

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