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The Norwegian ([info]minibalrogmum) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-05-22 13:47:00


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Current mood:Hawkish

Fanfic critisism - like rape, in a way
(Disclaimer: Reported by a mousie at [info]wank_report. I have nada to do with Buffy/Angel fandom and thus don't know much of the backstory this wank alludes to, but it sure sounds impressive.)

[info]sweptawaybayou makes a vague rant about OOCness and using rape as a plot point in Buffy/Angel fandom, which in comments is revealed to have been sparked off by [info]sexymermaid's fanfic. Friends of her pop up and are a tad irate and upset. There are even disagreements using smilies.

Things really kick off when [info]sexymermaid apparently makes a reaction post to this critisism, (quoted as saying) I didn't know until the worst happened again recently, and my words, feelings, were raped again. The post seems to have gotten a later flock (sniff), but gets referenced here.

There are attempts at summarizing and alluding to past wankery, denounciations and defriending and [info]sexymermaid herself announces all fanfic will now be friends locked, which makes all her friends flock to be supportive and denounce the actions/words of some very thoughtless, petty assholes causing you to close yourself to a lot, to quote one.

Oh, and there are manips. Oh yes. Lots and lots of manips.

*goes back to drooling over the Doctor to cleanse eyeballs*

ETA: From mousie - bullying accusations, more bullying accusations and why using the word 'rape' isn't so bad after all, apparently.

Bits of this fight is apparently now making it to [info]metafandom, which will probably add drama to the proceedings.




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[info]drakyndra
2007-05-22 02:34 pm UTC (link)
What isn't like rape these days?

*provides icon-cleansing icon*

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[info]yattara
2007-05-22 02:44 pm UTC (link)
The one manip of Spike is priceles...

In a "What did I just subject myself to?!"-kind of way.

*joins in Doctor-drooling.*

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 03:02 pm UTC (link)
OMG BULLYING: http://users.livejournal.com/peasant_/113831.html

From this post (http://germaine-pet.livejournal.com/71344.html?style=mine):
--More OMG BULLYING: http://germaine-pet.livejournal.com/71344.html?thread=1162928#t1162928
--Maybe everything should be like rape? EMPOWERMENT! http://germaine-pet.livejournal.com/71344.html?thread=1167024#t1167024

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(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2007-05-22 03:21 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 03:13 pm UTC (link)
*goes back to drooling over the Doctor to cleanse eyeballs*

*dreamy sigh*

Is there anything he can't make better?

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[info]drakyndra
2007-05-22 03:14 pm UTC (link)
BTW, metafandom has just linked to several of the posts you've linked to.

...Which isn't going to stir things up at all.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 03:36 pm UTC (link)
*sigh* I like SM's fic. It's in a style I enjoy and I long ago decided to ignore characterization and just read what's basically original fiction. That said, I've been watching as she went from a very nice, friendly newbie author to one of the BNF entitlement queens of fandom. At least half her non fic posts start with a comment that her fic hasn't been getting as many reviews as she'd like, so maybe she'll drop the fic she's working on/stop writing/insert other "dire" threat. It's been seriously unpleasant to watch.

-undomielregina on lj

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[info]liz_marcs
2007-05-22 03:39 pm UTC (link)
*groans*

Shit. I was kind of hoping you guys would kind of miss this.

Look! Over there! It's the Doctor!

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 04:21 pm UTC (link)
Huh. It seems that [info]sexymermaid has graduated from writing bad!fic about Illyria tentacle-raping Spike with horrid manips, to Spike being Angel's concubine with horrid manips. I'm...not sure this is an improvement? At least she still seems as wanky as ever and her writing hasn't improved in the slightest. One must take comfort in what things one can.

*is so very glad to be out of that fandom*

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[info]jaseroque
2007-05-22 04:26 pm UTC (link)
The fandom should be a broad church or it'll wither on the vine.

That's an odd image.

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[info]xero_sky
2007-05-22 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Oh lookie, another chance for fans to whip out their TMI and beat each other over the head with it.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 05:21 pm UTC (link)
oh, dear CHRIST, will someone please take away her photoshop. Just...I think I've read some of her crap. It's one of the many, MANY reasons I don't bother with Buffy fandom.

and hee! 'close yourself to a lot' makes her sound like some sort of pub...or possibly a brothel.
llassah

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[info]rustybitch
2007-05-22 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Holy cow!

Buffywank that's not flocked like whoa? That's new.
Also entertaining ;>

I especially like the howling accusations of you-big-meanie-bullies-you, the de-friending and the don't-you-dare-read-my-comments comments.

It brings a tear to my eye, seeing a wank performed the good ole traditional way, complete with accusations of rape.

*Popcorn anyone?*

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[info]splorch
2007-05-22 05:37 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Buffywank, how I've missed you. And good gracious, I am completely happy that somehow [info]sexymermaid never crossed my radar before now.

(There's a bad joke in here somewhere about how rape metaphors have people Seeing Red but I can't quite get the right set-up.)

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I prevented sexymermaid and some of her friends ' posts from appearing on my friends list a long, long time ago. Not only does she write bad AU fics and make eye-bleeding manips but she just writes about the same story over and over again.

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[info]jetamors
2007-05-22 05:44 pm UTC (link)
[[info]adis723 is] not horrible. She's saying out loud what everyone else has been twittering about behind closed doors. That makes her brave and honest, if you ask me.

I have spent years trying to curl up in the characters heads. Years of listening to imaginary Xander, Spike, Angel, Drusilla, Illyria, Buffy, etc. whisper to me. I agonize over the characterization and research in a 800 word ficlet. And for some to not even bother to get acquainted with them, it's... I almost want to say it's demeaning to the rest of us. I wouldn't write the Winchesters because I don't know them and therefore I'm not invested in them, they've never whispered to me, no song has ever made me think of them and I refuse to offend the SPN fandom by presuming to be able to accurately pen their boys.

[about a fic in which a woman is reportedly healed by being raped with a bar of soap]: It's not something easily put in words, but what I think it basically comes down to, is that I am interested in exploring when the worst happens and yet someone can find the courage to go on and find healing.

This is why I love Buffy wank.

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[info]sarajayechan
2007-05-22 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Don't we have a law against bringing up Tragic Pasts in fandom arguments? I don't wanna sound mean or anything but that always raises my hackles and I automatically think "oh waaah cry me a river" rather than feeling bad for the person.

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Last thing I expect to see on f_w - (Anonymous), 2007-05-23 03:22 am UTC
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[info]nom_nom
2007-05-22 06:48 pm UTC (link)
HONESTLY, BUFFY FANDOM. I leave you alone for seven years and you haven't even grown out of the goddawful manips! Tsk.

Yeah, I got nothing.

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[info]manasseh
2007-05-22 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I thought my manips were bad. At least mine aren't meant to be serious.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Sexymermaid deleting negative comments on her journal, incidentally.

How do I know? hmmmmm.

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[info]snacky
2007-05-22 08:17 pm UTC (link)
I loved this thread. So much asskissing, so much gracious acceptance of said asskissing as her rightful due.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 08:57 pm UTC (link)
I don't think Buffy/Angel fandom has much room to be wanking about the word rape since one of the most popular characters on the shows is a rapist.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-22 09:18 pm UTC (link)
How many times do you have to say RAPE before Ginmar shows up?

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[info]honorh
2007-05-22 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I adore this one. Fragile Flower authorette writes a story about Willow getting raped and "healing" because of it. Then someone criticises her story (not even naming said story or authorette). So Fragile Flower claims her words have gotten raped. And she's not "healed" because of it! Oh, WOEZ!

Ah, Jossverse fandom! Promise me you'll never be linear. On your trout.

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[info]pepperlandgirl4
2007-05-22 11:11 pm UTC (link)
Oh god. Poor Angel and Spike. What did that horrible woman do to you?

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[info]yotz_fen
2007-05-22 11:26 pm UTC (link)
I could post some other links to this particular kerfuffle that took place in other LJs, but, since I've seen flisters on both sides of this one, I've wandered away and ignored the whole mess. Both sides could do with some stepping back and cooling down.

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